The 6-APB thread (Part 2)

[deko]

Fuck did I walk into name that compound in one(atom). What's with all the supposition. Stop already

 

[Xorkoth]

Jesus, talk about speculation! Do you have any evidence at all to back up what you're saying? Because otherwise you're just confusing everyone and creating more rumors and hubbub.

 

[MrDoIt]

I have as much evidence to back up what Im saying as anyone on this forum who have said they have taken a compound called 6-APB.

Not one person who has sampled can say with 100% surety what they have taken was either 6-APB, 6-APDB or Unknown.

Now it seems we have different substances testing differently in Marquis tests....

What is that about - surely if it was the same compound in each Sample/Pellet/Capsule - they would all have same test results.

MDXX/Es comes in different strains/strengths/with different pill "fillers" - but it ALWAYS TESTS THE SAME....(Well, if it IS MDxx based)

So can someone with more intelligence or knowledge about chemicals/testing please give some sort of practical answer why "6-APB" would be testing so differently ?

As for the legality - Im not saying that 6-APDB is illegal in the UK - Im asking also for someone with more knowledge to clarify if it is/isnt illegal - and if it is then it is understandable what the great 6-APB smokescreen has been about.

As for "Official" or "Unofficial" vendors selling 6-APB - there has still been NO definitive answer to this question either because no-one knows with any certainty exactly what 6-APB is or isnt....


Anyway - its going to be a good weekend - EnJoY !!!

 

[Xorkoth]

Well okay, I agree it seems there are different compounds being sampled here. I just didn't know whether you had any evidence that it was specifically 6-APDB instead of 6-APB.

 

[ysrh]

The 5 official importers have received around 1/25th (yes, about 4% ) of the initial stock they were expecting.

lol. the saga continues.

 

[Peeping Tom]

^ I have heard the same thing this morning. If its true then a lot of people will be v.disappointed (to say the least). I doubt even all the pre-orders will be met, and those who haven't wont stand a chance....

 

[infestedpasta]

I have heard of known legit Chinese vendors claiming to offer 6-apb with a custom synth. I think it's only a matter of time before it becomes widely available

 

[infinity2k7]

I have heard of known legit Chinese vendors claiming to offer 6-apb with a custom synth. I think it's only a matter of time before it becomes widely available

They have done for ages, its true. The lead time was quite awhile though.

Do you really think that they would run the risk of importing an illegal compound into the country? Unless it was actually synthed in the UK, I doubt they would risk the hefty jail sentence that would be tied to importing such large amounts of an illegal substance.

I don't quite understand the reasoning thats going on here, unless there is proof that the "unofficial" vendors are actually selling proper 6-APB? And thats obviously going to come under the same did you get a lab test done on it yourself -blahblah- scrutiny.

Why the sudden change of gear, going from it being 6-APb in the "official" stuff, to it being 6-APDB... am I being dense and missing something?

6-APDB is NOT illegal. Why do you blindly believe anyone saying it is? The only difference in the chemical structure is dihydro. Another reason why the 'official' vendors are bullshitters.

6-(2-Aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran
6-(2-aminopropyl)benzofuran

Why would one be illegal and one not?

 

[itsallamyth]

pre-ordered 5 pellets, now being told can only have 2 due to shrotages, bugger, oh well, should be here my monday so at last, i will be able to try, even if its only once in a lifetime experience, yipeeeee, when i do ill report back

 

[Policethepolice?]

They have done for ages, its true. The lead time was quite awhile though.



6-APDB is NOT illegal. Why do you blindly believe anyone saying it is? The only difference in the chemical structure is dihydro. Another reason why the 'official' vendors are bullshitters.

6-(2-Aminopropyl)-2,3-dihydrobenzofuran
6-(2-aminopropyl)benzofuran

Why would one be illegal and one not?

Because of the misuse of drugs act perhaps? Methylone is only two molecules removed from mdma, but started legal.

 

[BigFishLittleFish]

posted on 17/6/2010:-

6-APB
The ez test goes a dark purple....... "

i will confirm this tomorrow for you all with pics of my official sample. mmkay?

If my information is correct it was either the first or second sample that went purple, the third / latest sample went grey, and purple would indicate it was from the mda/mdma family.

 

[BigFishLittleFish]

Translation:

Unknown substance with some random nmr that may or may not be related to said unkown substance: marquis orange, mecke red/green, and mandellin light yellow
"Benzo Orange"

Unknown white crystals: marquis red/brown, mecke red/orange, and mandellin light yellow
"Benzo Brown"

Unknown substance with more than one positive trip report, some speculation that this substance is going in pellets: marquis weak black/grey, mecke black, mandellin black
"Benzo Grey"

Ha ha, agree with you there but the european one with the NMR at the top is a reliable source and even though they produce their own NMRs i'd personally trust it 90/95% unlike the other two.
Every one of their other chemicals marquis tested correctly including the ones with NMRs including 5-IAI and MDAI hence why a lot of people are using this one as a reference.

 

[deko]

What a complete fuck up this is all turning out to be, enjoy.

 

[acholmes2000]

I posted earlier stating that I would be recieving 2 quantities of supposed 6-APB one was 100mg the other 200mg.

The 200mg sample arrived and I am led to believe it is the 'benzo orange' version. The 100mg has yet to arrive.

I was not going to try any until tonight due to having work in the morning (in about an hour lol) but temptation got the better of me and I decided to take a small ammount last night.

This is where things get weird.... I opted to eyeball an ammount I believe to be around 50mg by chopping my 200mg into 4 equal looking piles.

6pm
I was meeting girlfriend who is quite anti drug so did not want to look wasted. 50mg approx was wrapped in rizla and bombed and within 45 mins was starting to feel a little clammy decided to dip my finger in powder and so probably ingested a total of 70mg.

6.45
At first felt quite speedy when i walked to supermarket a definate dopamine release was present but this faded very quickly into nothing very quickly.

We met up and spent 4 hours just lazing around and to all intents and purposes I forgot I had taken anything the effects were so subtle if there at all.

11pm
Ate a rich tea biscuit and a glass of juice then walked girlfriend to bus stop and started to feel incredibly queasy to the point of having to try and hide the fact I was gagging. She got bus and I set off walking home on the way back (1.4 miles) I was nearly sick and streetlights started looking a little streaky.

12pm
Got into bed and attributed the sickness to hunger(no food all day) and the streaky lights to extreme tiredness as had been working all day and was exausted before even taking the powder.

However once in bed things started to get interesting I began to feel waves of euphoria not unlike opiate type euphoria washing over me not incredibly strong but certainly not placebo this went on for around 4 hours definately started feeling a sertogenic effect.

I just laid on my back in bed in a kind of trance sometimes i thought i had been sleeping as time was going so fast but i hadnt.

As for visuals lights were trailing and in the dark my vision had taken a smoky/misty turn the room looked foggy even though it clearly wasnt.

Finally got to sleep around 5.30am and woke this morning feeling fine albeit very very tired due to lack of sleep.

I feel that if i had taken 100-120mg this experience would have been extremely nice the euphoria was very very real even at such a small dose. But what I cant understand is the delayed onset. Did the biscuit and juice kick it into gear after a day of fasting prehaps? any ideas on this?

Either way this compound was extremely active and i have around 130mg left to try it properly maybe tonight!

Btw I am a 95kg 6'2 Male 27 years of age.

 

[BigFishLittleFish]

I presume this was white crystal powder???

If it was from Europe it is benzo orange

If it was from the UK it was benzo brown

A couple of earlier TR's did show a slow come up but four hours

Are you sure you just wasn't really occupied with your girlfriend that you didn't notice.

It's happened to me loads of times where i've been really enjoying myself then all of a sudden i've just realised that i'm completley of my head/drunk etc.

 

[Vurtual]

What's with all the chinese whispers and dubious colour assessments going on about what's in these things? Surely we should always be describing it as "6-apb" in quote marks anyway, wherever it's from. Of course we don't know what's in any source's claimed 6-apb, but speculating on it with no real evidence just ends up creating rumours from thin air (which the next speculator picks up and runs with)

To distinguish different types couldn't we just say - pellets, capsules, or powder - that way we can talk about effects without naming specific vendors or coming down on either one's side (or suggesting elaborate conspiracy theories which only last a weekend until someone sensible notices and responds)

/btw -all reports i've read of currently sold 6-apb powders sound almost placebo-like in effect (as were the capsules) - not even close to effect of initial free samples (even at 33mg i got a good hit). If it was just a weak version of what was in the samples, it would have to be like 50% purity! (if you have to double the dose or more)

 

[acholmes2000]

What's with all the chinese whispers and dubious colour assessments going on about what's in these things? Surely we should always be describing it as "6-apb" in quote marks anyway, wherever it's from. Of course we don't know what's in any source's claimed 6-apb, but speculating on it with no real evidence just ends up creating rumours from thin air (which the next speculator picks up and runs with)

To distinguish different types couldn't we just say - pellets, capsules, or powder - that way we can talk about effects without naming specific vendors or coming down on either one's side (or suggesting elaborate conspiracy theories which only last a weekend until someone sensible notices and responds)

/btw -all reports i've read of currently sold 6-apb powders sound almost placebo-like in effect (as were the capsules) - not even close to effect of initial free samples (even at 33mg i got a good hit)

It was far from placebo another 50-70mg and id of been absolutely off my tits !!

 

[BigFishLittleFish]

To distinguish different types couldn't we just say - pellets, capsules, or powder - that way we can talk about effects without naming specific vendors or coming down on either one's side (or suggesting elaborate conspiracy theories which only last a weekend until someone sensible notices and responds)

We can't say pellets, powders and capsules as there are different marquis/mecke results, hence the reason for going by the colours.

European powder marquis orange
UK powder marquis brown
official powder, early samples marquis purple, later samples marquis grey

 

[Vurtual]

It was far from placebo another 50-70mg and id of been absolutely off my tits !!

Yeah it did do something - from the description it sounds very similar to a clear capsule i took (it was free): there was an effect, but it was quite hard to spot alot of the time (though a bit noticeable other times). (but i did say almost placebo-like).

My point is that the dose-response curve of the original samples was a lot more linear than that: meaning that not quite having a full dose (or even half a dose) would still be a hefty dose. If that powder is a weak version of that it would be very weak (even a quarter strength if you need 100-150 mg for definite effects (which i got with 33mg of sample)).

 

[zamzams]

If my information is correct it was either the first or second sample that went purple, the third / latest sample went grey, and purple would indicate it was from the mda/mdma family.

6-apdb is 4-desoxy mda
6-apb is a derivate,

both will turn marquis purple very quickly in under 10 seconds just like mdma and mda, the grey result could be dxm and if it is it would be dangerous if mixed with maois and ssris and a number of other substances including alcohol

btw i was told the first synth is going into the pellets then the second synth. i've only tried the second and am getting more today to test.