The 3-FMC/4-FMC (Flephedrone) Megathread

[Acid4Blood]

Keep forgetting i have that bag of fleph.

Still havent tried it on its own yet.
Altho the meph/fleph/peevee combo i tried the other nite didn't feel as good as the meph/peevee combo so it musn't be very good.

 

[Treacle]

how often do we need to repeat that charge does not contain flephedrone (4-FMC), but 3-FMC, which is a different compound? maybe it should be tested if people are able to count to four when they register to bluelight?

Maybe they should. Maybe people should be tested for attitude problems, and general niceness, as well.

 

[The Kid]

how often do we need to repeat that charge does not contain flephedrone (4-FMC), but 3-FMC, which is a different compound? maybe it should be tested if people are able to count to four when they register to bluelight?

You keep repeating yourself, i'm sure it makes you feel good!

Maybe they should. Maybe people should be tested for attitude problems, and general niceness, as well.

QFT!

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

You keep repeating yourself, i'm sure it makes you feel good!

then why the fuck are you still writing about "charge" in the flephedrone thread?

 

[The Kid]

then why the fuck are you still writing about "charge" in the flephedrone thread?

(a) I started this thread, so i'll write what i fucking want to.

(b) At first, I (and others) were assuming Charge etc contained Fleph, not realising that it was actually 3-FMC. And at the time it wasn't possible to buy pure 4-FMC.

As you're obviously a fucking genius know-it-all, perhaps you'd be so good to enlighten us to the difference between 3-FMC and 4-FMC?

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

(a) I started this thread, so i'll write what i fucking want to.

starting a thread doesn't make it your property or something.

(b) At first, I (and others) were assuming Charge etc contained Fleph, not realising that it was actually 3-FMC. And at the time it wasn't possible to buy pure 4-FMC.

but now you know better, and you still keep on spreading misinformation. can't you see that you contribute to the already existing confusion? and isn't it obvious to you that this misinformation is potentially dangerous, especially since flephedrone seems to be a quite toxic compound? bluelight is a harm reduction site, so dangerous misinformation must not have a place here!

As you're obviously a fucking genius know-it-all, perhaps you'd be so good to enlighten us to the difference between 3-FMC and 4-FMC?

the fluoro-substitution is on different places of the methcathinone molecule, which gives two different compounds with different pharmacological properties.

 

[The Kid]

starting a thread doesn't make it your property or something.

Say's who?

but now you know better, and you still keep on spreading misinformation. can't you see that you contribute to the already existing confusion? and isn't it obvious to you that this misinformation is potentially dangerous, especially since flephedrone seems to be a quite toxic compound? bluelight is a harm reduction site, so dangerous misinformation must not have a place here!

What misinformation have i been spreading? All i was posting was my experiences. I'm sure you can work out (what with your ability to count beyond 4) that i've not been providing any advice.

As you'll note from my post, i say "charge or whatever fleph product". I have no idea (and i guess neither do you) whether these other products contain 3-FMC or 4-FMC. I think if you read through the thread you'll see that my consumption has been limited to OTC products.

However, I do see that perhaps I should make it 100% clear.

the fluoro-substitution is on different places of the methcathinone molecule, which gives two different compounds with different pharmacological properties.

Seeing as you obviously have some chemical knowledge, maybe (in the name of HR) you'd like to enlighten us all as to the differences in 3-FMC and 4-FMC and the potential problems?

 

[Bella Figura]

Thread title changed for the pedants.

 

[The Kid]

Thread title changed for the pedants.

Cheers whore. Probably a good idea. I was reading through the earlier posts, and there was confusion at the start. I was actually under the impression that someone on EADD actually coined the phrase "flephedrone" (I think it might have been Spadey), but perhaps this was just a co-incidence?

Anyway, as ungelssdjhskds points out, it's not overly helpful to have confusion when we're dealing with compounds that are very possibly rather toxic. I will edit my previous post to make it clear.

Unfortunately my stash of Charge is rapidly diminishing, and with the ban on importation here i don't know if/when it will be replenished! Or is that a good thing....

 

[xaenima]

Hey Kid. Still loving the Toot? Of course you are!

I'm with ya. But not with the fleph(3-FMC)/meph toxicity thingy. I feel much worse from meph than Charge. Every time. Hey, I got some 4-FMC coming. I'll see if I can let you know the difference.

 

[The Kid]

Hey Kid. Still loving the Toot? Of course you are!

I'm with ya. But not with the fleph(3-FMC)/meph toxicity thingy. I feel much worse from meph than Charge. Every time. Hey, I got some 4-FMC coming. I'll see if I can let you know the difference.

Hey Xaenima, how are you doing? I've not been caining the Toot/Charge etc so much recently, and have switched a bit to meph. I was very suprised that meph seemed (to me) less toxic, and have no idea why. Especially as the first time i did meph it was about 1.5g's, which is more than most of my Charge experiences. My only thought is that i've never combined meph with booze, but have never done Charge/Toot whilst sober.

Be interested to see what you think is the difference between 3-FMC and 4-FMC.

 

[B9]

I've got to say that this perpetual posting about methcathinone compounds smacks of unrealistic desperation that it's all gonna turn out to be alright. If this was methamphetamine would the debate still be continuing?

 

[The Kid]

I've got to say that this perpetual posting about methcathinone compounds smacks of unrealistic desperation that it's all gonna turn out to be alright.

You reckon? I think it's more a case of people thinking they know it's bad (possibly very bad!) but are thinking "fuck it".

Or it may be the case that they are just so readily available. Maybe things will change as it seems that MDMA is back on the scene?

All we need now is stacks of decent chang! :D

 

[B9]

^ Exactly prohibition is the deadliest aspect of the drug scene!

You reckon? I think it's more a case of people thinking they know it's bad (possibly very bad!) but are thinking "fuck it".

Yes "fuck it" really means "I don't believe it will happen to me" - I know because i've said "fuck it as well".


The immortality of youth is a double edged sword




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[Bella Figura]

Cheers whore. Probably a good idea. I was reading through the earlier posts, and there was confusion at the start. I was actually under the impression that someone on EADD actually coined the phrase "flephedrone" (I think it might have been Spadey), but perhaps this was just a co-incidence?

Heh np, I believe the term Spadey coined was Fat Cat but Flephedrone was always supposed to refer to 4-FMC the same way Mephedrone does to 4-MMC. It is a good thing that we're distinguishing between the two I suppose, would be nice to know if there's any difference in effects/health issues.

I believe F&B said that 3-FMC looked like it would be a better CNS stimulant than than 4-FMC at the start of this thread by comparing the methcathinones to methamphetamines.

 

[The Kid]

I believe F&B said that 3-FMC looked like it would be a better CNS stimulant than than 4-FMC at the start of this thread by comparing the methcathinones to methamphetamines.

He may well have said that...but i'm no chemist and thought CNS was a football hooligan crew!

Yes "fuck it" really means "I don't believe it will happen to me" - I know because i've said "fuck it as well".


The immortality of youth is a double edged sword

.

Indeed. Except i'm 35.............

 

[Treacle]

and isn't it obvious to you that this misinformation is potentially dangerous, especially since flephedrone seems to be a quite toxic compound? bluelight is a harm reduction site, so dangerous misinformation must not have a place here!


the fluoro-substitution is on different places of the methcathinone molecule, which gives two different compounds with different pharmacological properties.

Can you provide some sources between the toxicity of the two, please?

 

[MeDieViL]

Is it likely that 4FMC is more of an entactogen instead of 3FMC? The fluor group definatly causes serotonin release in that position (like 4fluoroamphetamine).

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

Can you provide some sources between the toxicity of the two, please?

my own experience. I still have heart trouble two weeks after sampling flephedrone (4-FMC).

Is it likely that 4FMC is more of an entactogen instead of 3FMC? The fluor group definatly causes serotonin release in that position (like 4fluoroamphetamine).

the comparison to the amphetamine analogues seems reasonable, 4-FA has higher serotonin release and therefore more entactogen properties, whereas 3-FA is said to be a straight stimulant.

 

[MeDieViL]

my own experience. I still have heart trouble two weeks after sampling flephedrone (4-FMC).


the comparison to the amphetamine analogues seems reasonable, 4-FA has higher serotonin release and therefore more entactogen properties, whereas 3-FA is said to be a straight stimulant.

Allright thx.
Also can you tell me a bit more about the heart trouble?