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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

someguyontheinternet said:
fascism is built around excluding outsiders from the ingroup. the only drive in fascism is to continue this and if taken to its logical extreme infighting happens as the in group gets ever smaller
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Which is essentially EXACTLY what Franco, Salazar and Únzaga did long before the arguably most famous proponent.

I suppose the most famous single event remains 'Nacht der langen Messer' but it isn't difficult to draw parallels with the above and various other 20th century dictators did to establich control. I would be utterly unsurprised if any group that isn't aligned with the current US government to face extrajudicial punishments.

Never forget that it was the lessons learnt from earlier dictators were analyses and used by Joseph Goebbels. He understood that if a small group controls the media, it's very easy to simply lie.

Now the media landscape has fragmented and IF DT has a weakness, it's that he grew up in the TV era so to him, controlling TV is the most important goal. But now people are free to read the news from websides in other nations. I can foresee a situation in which foreign news sites are branded as propaganda. Because while most people applauded the ban of RT, I felt it a mistake. It set a prescident and while I did not believe RT, it had value in showing me what the Russian government would have me believe.

So don't be too surprised if any media outlet that even dares to fact-check DT is branded as propaganda and blocked.
 
Would anyone like to guess what classic 60s rock song was played at the highlight of Donald's birthday parade?



Did the US media point this out? Because apparently Don loves the song because it's in the film 'Forrest Gump'. Did nobody stop him and quietly point out that the song is the most famous anti-war, anti-capitalism, anti-nepotism song of the 60s? I can't work out if his OWN people are now trolling him.
 
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JahBeeuS said:
I don't even know what extreme leftism is.
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The extreme far left is philosophical anarchy. The extreme far left believe in no masters or compelling forces, no government, no leaders-- basically, nobody can tell anyone else what to do under any circumstance. No laws. No rules. It's the stark opposite of authoritarianism.

There are many flavors of anarchists, a lot of them don't agree with each other... I would say the furthest of the left are the anarcho primitivists.

Ironically, many leftists who adopt anarchy love telling other people what to do. They lose the entire point. They aren't true anarchists, they just label themselves that for aesthetic purposes.
 
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-=SS=- said:
Why are you using words interchangeably - rhetorical question.

If someone has come across the border illegally then they are an illegal migrant.
If someone has applied for asylum from their host nation, then they are an asylum seeker (and may be accepted/denied).. this is the legitimate route, and we can have a discussion about criteria of that too.
If someone is fleeing persecution then they are a refugee but only on the condition that they seek refuge in the first sovereign state they cross into.

The overwhelming majority are economic migrants, not asylum seekers or refugees. It's the same in the EU.
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Economic migrants is right. My argument is practical and economic, not an issue of morality (IE someone is illegal, end of discussion). A HUGE problem in Western countries is that there is a shortage of labor. There has been a long birth dearth and the young people we DO have are unwilling to do the hard labor and construction jobs. Here in Texas, once the crackdown started it is much more difficult to get any kind of construction done. My contractor, in his late 50's no longer has his hard working Mexican labor so either he is overbooked and or the cost of a job has skyrocketed.

The truth is that the vast majority of illegals are not criminals they just want to work, and work hard. Years ago, then president Bush had a compromise program that would have allowed a path for illegals (if they could prove a solid work history and pay a $5k fine). It was shot down via a combination of liberals and far right conservatives.

Thus I am sympathetic towards illegals, most IMO just want to work and we need the workers.

Having said that these far left idiot protesters NEED TO GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD! You can't block traffic and if they get run over are getting what they deserve.
 
4DQSAR said:
Would anyone like to guess what classic 60s rock song was played at the highlight of Donald's birthday parade?



Did the US media point this out? Because apparently Don loves the song because it's in the film 'Forrest Gump'. Did nobody stop him and quietly point out that the song is the most famous anti-war, anti-capitalism, anti-nepotism song of the 60s? I can't work out if his OWN people are now trolling him.
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It wasn't just Trump's birthday, it was the 250th birthday of the US Army.... which makes the whole thing even more ironically worse.
 
Quasimoto said:
The extreme far left is philosophical anarchy. The extreme far left believe in no masters or compelling forces, no government, no leaders-- basically, nobody can tell anyone else what to do under any circumstance. No laws. No rules. It's the stark opposite of authoritarianism.

There are many flavors of anarchists, a lot of them don't agree with each other... I would say the furthest of the left are the anarcho primitivists.

Ironically, many leftists who adopt anarchy love telling other people what to do. They lose the entire point. They aren't true anarchists, they just label themselves that for aesthetic purposes.
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I'm very curious where you read that definition
 
4DQSAR said:
Would anyone like to guess what classic 60s rock song was played at the highlight....
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Yeah, I remember him playing Fortunate Son at his campaign rallies. How fucking clueless can a man be? A third grader could tell you those lyrics are critical of rich kids weaseling out of the draft just like he did.

Of course, his other favorite song is about gay men hooking up at the YMCA, so go figure.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
I'm very curious where you read that definition
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Tbh I kinda agree with that definition. It’s what I work out to on the political compass, apparently. Although I would disagree because I do not believe anarchism is the way forward. It’s an ideal both unreachable and undesirable.

The “Far Left” seems to vary with the Overton Window of the individual. For some, even mainstream Democrats are considered Far Left. For others outright Tankies. For others still generic Centre Left politicians like Bernie, Jeremy and AOC.

On the other side, Far Right seems to be pretty well-defined by the Left: Fascist and Fascist-adjacent folk. Extreme racists, extreme nationalists, extreme homo and transphobes. Extreme anti-Muslim folk. The unifying point being “extreme”.

This is one of many ways the Right oversimplifies and pablumises politics. By pointing to anyone even slightly to the Left of basic and demonstrably Right wing views they depict all as traitors, enemies of the state, unpatriotic, etc, etc, etc.

We all know the rule book. But how to change it?
 
Shambles said:
Tbh I kinda agree with that definition. It’s what I work out to on the political compass, apparently. Although I would disagree because I do not believe anarchism is the way forward. It’s an ideal both unreachable and undesirable.

The “Far Left” seems to vary with the Overton Window of the individual. For some, even mainstream Democrats are considered Far Left. For others outright Tankies. For others still generic Centre Left politicians like Bernie, Jeremy and AOC.

On the other side, Far Right seems to be pretty well-defined by the Left: Fascist and Fascist-adjacent folk. Extreme racists, extreme nationalists, extreme homo and transphobes. Extreme anti-Muslim folk. The unifying point being “extreme”.

This is one of many ways the Right oversimplifies and pablumises politics. By pointing to anyone even slightly to the Left of basic and demonstrably Right wing views they depict all as traitors, enemies of the state, unpatriotic, etc, etc, etc.

We all know the rule book. But how to change it?
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I guess on the far left I see communism, which is an organized structure rather than anarchism

within anarchism its just back to feudalism because there is nobody to prevent exploitation

the y axis on the political compass shows authoritarian vs anarchism and the x axis is left vs right
 
Yup, extreme libertarian leftism is anarchism. Ancap. Whatever. There’s a million variants.

Communism is along the same lines but still has some form of hierarchy so is less “Left” if you will. Tends to be extremely authoritarian in the real world examples we have.

In practice, we’ve only ever seen authoritarian leftism in practice: Soviets, Maoist, N. Korea etc.

Cuba was less extreme but still involved a boatload of counterrevolutionary violence.

Zero examples of True Far Left in the wild other than maybe some hunter-gatherer ancestral tribes. Possibly.

PS: for clarity, my political compass results come out on the bottom left corner. Right near the knuckle. I do not believe this to be true.
 
I think that's mostly because capitalism does exist in the center and the overton window has shifted so far to the right that center is being called left

that's why the democrats are center right, they're neoliberal capitalists that are going down the route of ethno nationalism following the republicans. for some inexplicable reason
 
Shambles said:
This is one of many ways the Right oversimplifies and pablumises politics. By pointing to anyone even slightly to the Left of basic and demonstrably Right wing views they depict all as traitors, enemies of the state, unpatriotic, etc, etc, etc.
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www.bbc.com

Minnesota shooting suspect went to homes of two more politicians, prosecutors say - follow live

Vance Luther Boelter, 57, is charged with killing Melissa Hortman, a Minnesota Democrat, and her husband Mark.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

 
brokedownpalace10 said:
www.bbc.com

Minnesota shooting suspect went to homes of two more politicians, prosecutors say - follow live

Vance Luther Boelter, 57, is charged with killing Melissa Hortman, a Minnesota Democrat, and her husband Mark.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

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That would indeed appear to be a far right fella. Absolute scumfucker too. These things are, sadly, too often related :|

EDIT: Apologies, I couldn’t quite follow the NPR link as I am not American and don’t know of the details posted.
 
Don't fall into the trap of becoming an echochamber.

By all means make clear the threat - but then move on to find the solution.

Apparently in LA people are throwing glitterbombs over ICE agents. The agents complain that they cannot get the glitter off even after changing clothing and bathing. Apparently they can be identified as ICE for several days.

I'm sure a solution will be found, but it's amazing how powerful a large group can be without resorting to violence.
 
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