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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

I'm going to need some government sources for that, not cheap news "reports". You got any?
You are asking for facist and racist government to point out they are facist and racist, otherwise it is not real?

Imma gonna just shit on the street before the very eyes of crowd and deny it never happened. Check mate.
 
it isn't separate at all because the tactics used by ICE are allowing this to happen. if ICE was actually wearing uniforms, using marked vehicles, and identifying themselves then citizens wouldn't be able to impersonate them nearly as easily
Yeah and by making themselves conspicuous they lose the element of surprise, which is counterproductive to what they're trying to do, which is grab people who in all likelihood will try to run if they spot immigration enforcement.

Separate issue. People impersonating law enforcement is a crime and they should be dealt with.
 
Yeah and by making themselves conspicuous they lose the element of surprise, which is counterproductive to what they're trying to do, which is grab people who in all likelihood will try to run if they spot immigration enforcement.

Separate issue. People impersonating law enforcement is a crime and they should be dealt with.
so why were previous administrations able to deport more criminals and more people overall without those same tactics?
 
whys someguyofftheinternet get all his questions addressed --- is it cuz he's white!!?? (lol just playing and I don't even know if that's true -- but I am so its moot anyways)

Why are white south Africaaners granted refugee status when black south Africaaners are not OTHER THAN RACISM SS?

Weren't the two guys in MN (I forget they positions) killed by somebody dressed as a cop. (I heard from my mom who believes YouTube clickbait sometimes so I will consider that unconfirmed) ad

alasdairm -- NEVER! I will die on the hill of bad spelling and Grammer online. (Why did it autocapotilize Grammer) went all in on spelling and cursive and for what?? a default program from 95 to make me obsolete lol.
 
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whys someguyofftheinternet get all his questions addressed --- is it cuz he's white!!?? (lol just playing and I don't even know if that's true -- but I am so its moot anyways)

Why are white south Africaaners granted refugee status when black south Africaaners are not OTHER THAN RACISM SS?

Weren't the two guys in MN (I forget they positions) killed by somebody dressed as a cop. (I heard from my mom who believes YouTube clickbait sometimes so I will consider that unconfirmed)
yea it was a far right guy who owns a security company that's how he got his hands on police gear
 
yea it was a far right guy who owns a security company that's how he got his hands on police gear
I know I swore I would not post in CE&P but

A far right guy who was appointed by Tim Walz when he was Governor of Minnesota .
That far right guy ? :cool:

Maybe there is more that meets the eye here.:unsure:

Possibly ?

Why was she singled out ?



Just one possibility ... Who really knows anymore ;)
 
Why are white south Africaaners granted refugee status when black south Africaaners are not OTHER THAN RACISM SS?
Maybe because they suck and American doesn't want them in its country? Highest murder rate in the world, and you're moaning that you're not getting them in? OK.. lmao

Have you seen the massive political rallies that have been held where they are chanting and dancing to "kill the boer"? Their own courts have decided it's OK because it's "just a historical political chant" lmao. If I started dancing around and chanting about my boat slaves in some ye'olde English and the glories of the British empire, I'd probably be beaten to death long before I got sentenced for hate speech and incitement to violence.
 
I know I swore I would not post in CE&P but

A far right guy who was appointed by Tim Walz when he was Governor of Minnesota .
That far right guy ? :cool:

Maybe there is more that meets the eye here.:unsure:

Possibly ?

Why was she singled out ?



Just one possibility ... Who really knows anymore ;)

didn't they also have plans to kill Walz?
 
Maybe because they suck and American doesn't want them in its country?

i don't want to misunderstand your position so help me understand it?

individual black south africans should not be welcome because all black south africans suck? and by extension, individual white south africans are welcome - or, at very least, should be judged on their individual merits - because white south africans don't suck?

it's a pretty simple yes or no question so a simple yes or no should suffice. thanks.


Highest murder rate in the world

south africa?

that's not accurate.

obviously, the specific numbers depend on your source but, according to the world population review, south africa doesn't even make the top 20 (murder rate per 100k). according to the unodc it ranks 5th.

given that neither the south african police, nor the government, publish official stats by race, i'm interested to know where you're getting your numbers?

alasdair
 
well, yesterday was really 2 different days depending on where you were.

in d.c. kim jong un donald trump held a parade to celebrate himself and his birthday the u.s. army.

i was intrigued to learn that the army is now sponsored by coinbase :)

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as ever, the success - or otherwise - of the event depends on where you get your news but it sounds like it wasn't a raging success. the most generous crowd estimate i could find was about 100,000 - half of the expected 200k. there are a lot of images of the day and they're pretty underwhelming:

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sen. john fetterman said, of the event: ""This parade is comprised of our sons, daughters, mothers and fathers—the very best of us. Regardless of your politics, it's appropriate to celebrate the 250 years of sacrifice, dedication and service.""

indeed.

meanwhile, across the nation, in over 2000 separate cities and town, millions of citizens turned out to protest trump and the current administration. estimates are north of 4,000,000 attendees.

los angeles, 200,000

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new york, 50,000

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seattle, 70,000

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chicago, 75,000

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i live in a small town - about 21,000 - and i think there were 500-1000 people here.

alasdair
 
i don't want to misunderstand your position so help me understand it?

individual black south africans should not be welcome because all black south africans suck? and by extension, individual white south africans are welcome - or, at very least, should be judged on their individual merits - because white south africans don't suck?

it's a pretty simple yes or no question so a simple yes or no should suffice. thanks.
Not playing your binary bullshit games my friend. I'll give you the full explanation of how I feel;

As I've said numerous times already in this thread, there is such a thing is a healthy immigration policy that discriminates properly on who should be allowed in to a country and who shouldn't. White African farmers on the whole are going to be far more acceptable and easier to integrate (to USA, UK, EU) than pulling from the general black population of South Africa. If that makes you uncomfortable that's your problem but anyone with a brain knows that is true. It is what it is.

Yes you still have to screen all candidates, regardless of their skin colour. Was that even in doubt? In your mind in relation to me, yes, because you guys just won't give up trying to frame and paint people into a corner so you can go "Ah HA! A racist/homophobe/etc etc". Those of us in the real world who are bolted to reality keep saying we need a proper immigration system, with the proper checks.. that is the whole bloody argument.

A white Albanian would be easier to integrate than a black South African, but that still doesn't mean we'd just let them in without checking.. especially with Albanian's, because, like the black South African's, they currently have a real issue in their culture with violence and crime. As evidenced by the issues the UK faces with Albanian gangs operating here, for example.

Would I want loads of black South Africans in my country? Absolutely not. Not until there culture is more aligned with our own, not until their psychology has levelled out - a nation that has been through tremendous upheaval is not going to produce stable psychology in people, and combined with the black predilection for violent outbursts that is not a great mix. Call me racist, I don't care. I've already pointed out that they are holding massive political rallies chanting "Kill the boer!" and doing little tribal dancing jigs to it.. sorry, but that is demonstrable evidence that they are not on par with where we are in the West. We do not need that shit here thank you very much, we are past political parties outright calling for murder.
that's not accurate.

obviously, the specific numbers depend on your source but, according to the world population review, south africa doesn't even make the top 20 (murder rate per 100k). according to the unodc it ranks 5th.

given that neither the south african police, nor the government, publish official stats by race, i'm interested to know where you're getting your numbers?
The fact that the numbers are disputed and vary wildly should suggest to you that perhaps South Africa is not a great country, eh? If they can't even produce their own reliable data then that speaks volumes in itself doesn't it. If we can't trust them to accurately produce statistics on violent crime and murder.. then that just lends weight to my argument that they suck as a people and we don't need that shit in our countries.

The situation can be re-evaluated once they sort themselves out, but until then.. no thanks.
When compared to other countries, South Africa has notably high rates of violent crime[6] and has a reputation for consistently having one of the highest murder rates in the world.[7][8][9] The country also experiences high rates of organised crime relative to other countries.[10][11] - Wikipedia
South Africa has one of the highest murder rates in the world, according to the latest figures from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. There were more than 27,000 murders last year; that amounts to 45 people per 100,000. For comparison, the US rate is six per 100,000. - The BBC reporting on UN figures: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2jlyl20lzo
 
I know I swore I would not post in CE&P but

A far right guy who was appointed by Tim Walz when he was Governor of Minnesota .
That far right guy ? :cool:

Maybe there is more that meets the eye here.:unsure:

Possibly ?

Why was she singled out ?



Just one possibility ... Who really knows anymore ;)

Oooh, my dude. In 2016, Boelter was appointed to the Minnesota Governor’s Workforce Development Board, which is tasked with analyzing and recommending policy to the governor and legislature on workforce and resources by then Gov. Mark Dayton. It's a civilian, bipartisan board made up of 60 members. Walz re-appointed him in 2019. Probably didn't even know him.
Hundreds, if not thousands, of people apply to serve on these state boards, task forces, advisory councils and commissions each year. There are more than 130 in total, including high-paying jobs on powerful councils, but they mainly are volunteer positions. This was a low level position.

From what little they have released, my guess is that he was fervently anti-abortion is his motive. There is a manifesto, and they have said you could probably glean his motives from it, but they have not released it. (why?)
 
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but only the black ones, right? the white ones are welcome?
You know what's hilarious, is that you're the one who is obsessed with colour, not me.

South Africa is 80% black. Pretty safe to guess that the majority of the murder and violence is going to be conducted from within that demographic. Not my fault that they apparently love murdering other people, the fact that they have black skin is incidental.

Once again (again), this is why we're in this mess. You, SGOTI, and all the people like you in the legal system, media, politics, etc, you just aren't capable of coming to the table for a serious adult conversation about immigration without trying to play oppression Olympics and throwing mud at everyone who holds a different perspective to you on the issue. It's really, really boring.

But you know what's not boring? Mass deportations. Watching people cry wolf, people waving flags of other countries in protest not realising the incongruence and irony of that in the context of the situation, watching liberal people have conniption fits as their ideological worldview is no longer in vogue. That's delicious. Not quite as delicious as seeing liberal westerners get the shit kicked out of them by Egyptian authorities and locals for trying to protest about Gaza, but I'll take it.
 
no need for personal insults. please desist.
Where is the insult. Saying you guys aren't ready for a mature conversation is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. You decided to make it all about skin colour as an attempt to deflect the conversation, not me.
 
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