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i think trump is right wing with a soft spot for nazis and white supremacists.
I haven't seen any proof of this, and trust me I've looked. Is this because of his "fine people on both sides" comment he made one time like 7 years ago when the Proud Boys marched in Charlottesville?
i'm absolutely open to having my mind changed on the issue of elon's salute and how people feel about it.
i gave you a chance to do that by simply linking me to the polls you say substantiate your claim. but you won't. so for now, my mind remains unchanged.
So your opinion would change if you found out a lot of people disagreed with you? You form your opinions based on the herd?
My opinion is that we can't say with certainty that he intended to do a nazi salute. You, however, seem very certain.
make a claim. back it up.
No. We've been over this.
it seems so straightforward. mundane even. yet so many here seem unwilling to jump at the chance to simply prove what they're claiming is true.
See above. You want polls showing that most people don't care (#1) or don't think it was a sig heil (#2). Why? Because if you see you're a minority opinion you'll change your mind?
That makes you a populist. So why should I care?
i'd say that quality political discussion starts, at least in part, with that.
I've already explained twice now why I'm not playing citation games here. I did that in the covid threads for years, wasting hours, only for people here to just say "blah blah conspiracy theorist blah blah."
You can't use evidence to make people see when they don't want to see, so I don't play those games anymore.
If you think my claim isn't credible, then great! I'm not bothered.
You haven't shown any concrete evidence either that Musk for sure intended to do a sig heil. That's because there isn't any. All of his statements are also to the contrary. The Nazis of 1925-1939 did not make a secret of their white supremacy. It was public discourse. That's why I find these comparisons childish and idiotic. If Elon were a Nazi just like a sect within the ADf are Nazis, he would have been very vocal about it before now. There would have been some kind of explicit evidence of his philosophy. You can't be in the public eye to the degree he has and not let something truly slip.
He told us he was putting his hand on his heart and sending the love outward because he was being received with such love by the audience. Even if I don't know for sure, that's at least one plausible alternative explanation, is it not?
How can you just DECIDE it was a sig heil other than by succumbing to your own hyperpartisan bias???
This is all about the radical left's obsession with symbols and dogwhistles. They have been subverting speech for years now based on various witch hunts and "micro aggressions." Something that looks like a sig heil was a field day for them because blatant, explicit, authoritarian racism doesn't really exist anymore on a huge scale. Being able to point something out that could plausibly be explicit justified the existence of their whole bogus ideology.