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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

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He's going after the deep state.

if he goes after it with the same, singular focus he brought to draining the swamp, charging mexico for a wall, repealing and replacing obamacare with something better, etc. then the deep state has absolutely nothing to worry about :)

alasdair
 
His family members were literally Nazi and South African apartheid supporters, his grandfather that he looks up to moved away from Canada to the newly created South African apartheid state and publicly stated, in actual newspapers, that he endorsed it. It was considered a huge publicity win for the apartheid state

Its all public knowledge in historical documents and family interviews and all of that is in the links that I posted

Source for these claims?
 
sorry i've been away

HAS @Foreigner APOLOGIZED YET?!?!?!

FOR BRUSHING US OFF/ IMPLYING OR EVEN SAYING WE WERE UNREASONABLE FOR OUR CONCERNS OVER PROJECT 2025?!?!

there were a couple other brusher- offers, but foreigner is the big one i remember.

was it an honest mistake on your part? i hope so...

What are you on about?
 
It’s a common misconception about power and control. What big government aims to do is control what you think. What you do. They have very little power.
The power of the mind is limitless. Psychedelics and psychoactive help develop the mind and what we are capable of. Those in control do not allow the use of psychedelics because if everybody had access to them then we start to question authority think for yourself.
Trump 47 is dismantling the hurdles you have to jump through to get better access to these tools so we don’t have to depend on the establishment.
One example is pardoning the founder of Silk Road.
 
Source for these claims?
I posted them all here earlier in the post I made about Elon's family

President Musk had quite the colorful childhood


On Errol Musk, his father:


In her memoir, Maye characterized her marriage as abusive and alleged Errol had been violent.[22] She recounts a time during their divorce when she sought refuge at a neighbor's home after Errol showed up with a knife looking for her.[21] After the divorce, Musk repeatedly sued his ex-wife for custody of their children.


Repeatedly sued huh, I guess the courts kept finding he wasn't fit for some reason? Couldn't have been the violence...



In 2014, Musk gave an interview about his son Elon.[32] In 2017, Musk was interviewed by Neil Strauss of Rolling Stone for a profile of Elon titled "The Architect of Tomorrow". Errol recalled that he had once shot and killed in self-defense "three out of five or six armed people" who had broken into his home. Elon described his father Errol as a "terrible human being", adding: "Almost every evil thing you could possibly think of, he has done."


Oh yea it was probably the violence


He likes to claim he was part of the progressive party but he supported this


A referendum on a new constitution was held in South Africa on 2 November 1983 in which the white population was given the opportunity to approve or reject the Constitution of 1983. This constitution introduced the Tricameral Parliament, in which Coloured and Indian South Africans would be represented in separate parliamentary chambers, while black Africans, who were the majority of South Africa's population, would remain unrepresented. The referendum passed with 66.3% of voters voting "Yes"; consequently the new constitution came into force on 3 September 1984.


He broke with his party, which wanted representation for black Africans, as he thought it was good enough. Supporting the gentle continuation of apartheid, nice


And said things like this


In 1986, he acquired rights to the output of three Zambian emerald mines, though he did not own mines themselves. In interviews with Walter Isaacson, he explained: "If you registered it, you would wind up with nothing, because the Blacks would take everything from you".


And this


in 2024 Errol said that Prime Minister Keir Starmer was a fascist as a result of his response to the 2024 United Kingdom riots


2024 UK riots for reference:

From 30 July to 5 August 2024,[a] far-right, anti-immigration protests and riots occurred in England and Northern Ireland, within the United Kingdom. This followed a mass stabbing in Southport on 29 July in which three children were killed. The riots were fuelled by false claims circulated by far-right groups that the perpetrator of the attack was a Muslim and an asylum seeker, in addition to broader Islamophobic,[33][34] racist,[35][36] and anti-immigrant sentiments[37][38][39] that had grown leading up to the protests. The disorder included racist attacks, arson, and looting and was the largest incident of social unrest in England since 2011.



Sounds like a cool guy right? Well turns out Elon's grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer and apartheid enjoyer


An examination of Joshua Haldeman’s writings reveals a radical conspiracy theorist who expressed racist, anti-Semitic, and antidemocratic views repeatedly, and over the course of decades—a record I studied across hundreds of documents from the time, including newspaper clips, self-published manuscripts, university archives, and private correspondence. Haldeman believed that apartheid South Africa was destined to lead “White Christian Civilization” in its fight against the “International Conspiracy” of Jewish bankers and the “hordes of Coloured people” they controlled.


“Instead of the Government’s attitude keeping me out of South Africa, it had precisely the opposite effect—it encouraged me to come and settle here,” he told a reporter for the South African newspaper Die Transvaler shortly after his arrival. The far-right Afrikaner newspaper treated Haldeman’s arrival as a PR victory for apartheid. (“PRAISES ACTION OF NATIONALIST PARTY REGIME: Canadian Politician Settles in South Africa,” the headline read.)



Huh interesting, I wonder if Elon has anything to say about that particular grandfather?


Isaacson describes him as a source of Musk’s great affection for danger—“a daredevil adventurer with strongly held opinions” and “quirky conservative populist views” who did rope tricks at rodeos and rode freight trains like a hobo. “He knew that real adventures involve risk,” Isaacson quotes Musk as having said. “Risk energized him.”


Oh... Okay that's... Interesting. Just quirky huh?


But Elon definitely isn't a Nazi right?


Musk was responding to a post Wednesday that said Jewish communities “have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” The post also referenced “hordes of minorities” flooding Western countries, a popular antisemitic conspiracy theory.


It’s the kind of post you can find easily on X these days, and likely would have gone unnoticed had Musk, with more than 160 million followers, not re-shared the post with the comment: “You have said the actual truth.”


Oh but surely he must have been joking right just a troll I'm sure



Speaking at President Trump’s inauguration event this week, Elon Musk slapped his right hand on his chest before shooting his arm diagonally upward, palm facing down. He did it twice.


It looked a lot like the salute used in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. But almost immediately, a striking number of different interpretations began to circulate.

Some commentators called it a “Roman salute.”


A Roman salute huh? I wonder who else said they based their salute off the Roman one?


The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute, is a gesture in which the right arm is fully extended, facing forward, with palm down and fingers touching. In some versions, the arm is raised upward at an angle; in others, it is held out parallel to the ground. In contemporary times, the former is commonly considered a symbol of fascism.


In Germany, the salute, sporadically used by the Nazi Party (NSDAP) since 1923, was made compulsory within the movement in 1926.[45] Called the Hitler salute (Hitlergruß), it functioned both as an expression of commitment within the party and as a demonstrative statement to the outside world.[46] Yet in spite of this demand for the outward display of obedience, the drive to gain acceptance did not go unchallenged, even within the movement. Early objections focused on its resemblance to the Roman salute employed by Fascist Italy, and hence on it not being Germanic. In response, efforts were made to establish its pedigree and invent a proper tradition after the fact.[46]


Hmm so surely the ADL has a good take on this!


The website of the Anti-Defamation League, which campaigns against anti-Semitism, defines the Nazi salute as “raising an outstretched right arm with the palm down,” and ranks it as “the most common white supremacist hand sign in the world.”


But after Mr. Musk’s stiff-arm salute, the Anti-Defamation League called it “an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute.”


Oh that's weird I wonder why they're so lenient with him, perhaps simply because he supports Israel and it doesn't matter if he's a Nazi in that case


Andrea Stroppa, known as Mr. Musk’s emissary in Italy, posted on the social media platform X: “The Roman Empire is back, starting from the Roman salute.” He later deleted the post, saying that people were interpreting “the whole thing as a reference to Nazi-fascism.”


Oh wow I wonder why on earth people would interpret it like that? Who knows he's probably just trolling right


In Germany, gestures like the one Mr. Musk made are illegal, along with other symbols and slogans from the Nazi era. (On Wednesday night, anti-Musk protesters projected an image showing his salute and the words “Heil Tesla” onto the facade of his company’s German factory.)


For the German establishment, the situation was very clear.


“A Hitler salute is a Hitler salute is a Hitler salute,” the prominent German weekly Die Zeit wrote in an editorial.


Oh but surely he doesn't support any actual Nazi parties?


Elon Musk praised the co-leader of the German party Alternative for Germany (AfD) as “very reasonable” on Thursday, urging Germans to vote for the far-right party in what is the latest high-profile sign of the tech billionaire’s involvement in European politics.


Yes surely he must be trolling, all signs point to epic troll. Definitely no Nazi stuff here













Here there are again in case you don't see them:












 
Trump 47 is dismantling the hurdles you have to jump through to get better access to these tools so we don’t have to depend on the establishment.

lol. ok.

from the previous trump administration's strategy on drugs:
  • "ONDCP seeks to reduce the number of Americans using opioids (including synthetic opioids like fentanyl), cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamines, and other psychoactive substances. "
  • "the Trump Administration seeks to save American lives by preventing drug use before it starts"
  • "reducing the availability of illicit drugs in the United States"
  • "develop community norms that discourage drug use"
  • "ONDCP will support ongoing efforts to stop substance use before it starts by..."
  • "stop the production of drugs abroad and prevent them from entering our country by"
  • etc.
which part of this strategy to prevent drug use is dismantling hurdles and creating better access?

can you give me one or two examples of a hurdle he has dismantled to improve your access?

trump is the establishment.

i'll give rfk jr. credit for some of his statements on psychedelic use but most of those have been tightly focused on therapeutic use and not recreational use. also, words not actions.

alasdair
 
dismantling is the term. @someguyontheinternet
From my perspective - he's just creating a gilded state to siphon wealth and power away from the public and into private interests where there's no public oversight or capacity to regulate.

Regulations are what help prevent plane crashes, ensure that cancer causing chemicals aren't dumped into wetlands near water sources (something that happened near me growing up - the movie/book A Civil Action is about this case), and that work to ensure that citizens are afforded equal protection under the law. I haven't seen much to indicate that any of what Trump is doing is ensuring that regulations or civil protections are being enhanced. I don't think the man cares about anyone but himself and the leverage he can use with those that are aligned with him at any given time.

If the deep state is dismantled and replaced with corporate interests - how might we expect them to behave? My guess is that they'll seek to become feudal lords (something libertarian minded friends of mine have suggested as a 'better form of society' as they were drinking this very kool-aid 30 years ago, which is when people like Mencius Moldbug (link to his wikipedia) were first formulating their 'I want to be king and all of you my subjects' ethos of 'small government'.

This country was founded on a revolt against kings. The whole reason America exists is because our ancestors were sick of funding a government that provided little in the way of representation or protection, serving the interests of feudal lords over the citizenry. This is the ideal that the modern MAGA movement has supported unwittingly in the name of 'freedom' and 'dismantling the deep state'.
 
He's trying to get the private sector going. Instead of creating jobs that are in the public sector.
An economy thrives with a free market in the private sector.
Whether we can get rid of the fed, because that's the motor that keeps the deep state running.
I am the last sign of the private market. Where I can charge people for my time, and get paid for it.
That's one indicator. It hasn't happened yet. It's not that I don't charge you guys for my time. it's that you don't pay.
Consider making a donation to The Ions Institute if it makes you that unhappy.
 
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