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US Politics The 2021 Former President Trump Thread - I look very much forward to showing my financials, because they are huge.

alasdairm said:
sure, but the circumstances are a little different.

nixon resigned and congress dropped its impeachment. but criminal charges were still possible hence ford's pardon.

alasdair
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Correct.

Congress isn't the body in charge of interpreting the law. They can't decide if a president has broken the law in the criminal sense. That would require a court, in which the president would have a right to a lawyer and a jury.

And so they aren't deciding if the president has broken the law, they are deciding if he is guilty of crimes against the people in the political sense, and needs to be removed from office.

Actual legal charges can then follow.

But impeachment is a purely political process, it doesn't require evidence beyond that that the senate feels it needs to render its verdict. And what constitutes a crime is pretty much whatever the house of representatives considers to be a crime. There is no right to a jury, and the president can't pardon it. But the upside is you can't be put in jail over it, you can't be fined over it, and you can't be executed over it.
 
^ no.

the impeachment trial is conducted by the u.s. senate, presided over by the chief justice of the scotus.

if the president is found guilty by a two-thirds majority, president trump loses the benefits associated with former presidents. there's no appeal.

alasdair
 
JessFR said:
Morning everybody.

The Trump Presidency is over. It has passed noon EST, former president Trumps term has officially expired and he is now out of office. And I just watched president Biden take the oath.

But Trump is likely to keep being a topic of interest through this coming year, to that end, our lovely CEPS mods have kindly given me the honor of getting to be the one to update the threads for the new year!

Normally we would have locked the 2020 Trump thread by now, but because of the election it was left open until the inauguration. That time is now here and I have just closed the 2020 Trump presidency thread.

In the interest of respect to the by no means small number of Americans who voted for Trump, after some discussion we have decided to call this the former president trump thread. In deference to the office that he held for better of worse.

Please now continue your regularly scheduled rantings. <3

The previous Trump thread can be found here.

US Politics - The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

And it has happened. The first and possibly only term of the 45th president is over. This 2020 thread would normally be closed by now but we decided to wait until the end of the term, now that that has happened, this thread will be closed, further Trump discussions can be held at the following...
www.bluelight.org www.bluelight.org
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Jes, there has never been a huge right wing crowd and I could count on two hands the amount of Trump enthusiasts that have come and gone here.



Ill hazard a guess and say this thread is a really well thought out way to justify some left wingers / Trump haters getting to do their hating instead of living the democrat controlled American dream and focusing their energy on that instead.

I mean, Twitter snd Facebook have both taken away the public's voice regarding him, no more effort free direct way to tell him he is a shithead or failing that copying it here and having a go about him.

Commercial platforms are more concerned about ads and pleasing their shareholders rather than any individual being able to use it to join in any conversation. They'll just lose people to spruik their ads to and die a very slow death to their own greed eventually.



Maybe they assume millions of people who partake in their platforms are as stupid as the few hundred idiots who broke in were or even dumber- as inept as the other politicians who did literally nothing about it, I mean come on, I'm sure there's others that could mobilise the national guard or get more police.



Ill bet Twitter and fb will end up regretting their stupid knee jerk decision when he stays in the media and cant bring them precious audiences to sell their ads to .


Impeachment: total waste of time and total waste of money.


Hes gone so who cares.

These democrats need to realise they have to get on with their own policies and making good use of their time with the pandemic and other issues affecting people, not getting hiss because some fur covered horned loser put his feet up on Pelosis desk .
 
Just gonna leave this here... I personally hope Trump becomes a pauper (he's already a pariah in many ways):

The Financial Minefield Awaiting an Ex-President Trump​


Baseless election fraud claims and the Capitol riot have compounded already-looming threats to his bottom line. And the cash lifelines he once relied on are gone.

Not long after he strides across the White House grounds Wednesday morning for the last time as president, Donald J. Trump will step into a financial minefield that appears to be unlike anything he has faced since his earlier brushes with collapse.

The tax records that he has long fought to keep hidden, revealed in a New York Times investigation last September, detailed his financial challenges:

Many of his resorts were losing millions of dollars a year even before the pandemic struck. Hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, which he personally guaranteed, must be repaid within a few years. He has burned through much of his cash and easy-to-sell assets. And a decade-old I.R.S. audit threatens to cost him more than $100 million to resolve.

In his earlier dark moments, Mr. Trump was able to rescue businesses he runs with multimillion-dollar infusions from his father or licensing deals borne of his television celebrity. Those lifelines are gone. And his divisive presidency has steadily eroded the mainstream marketability of the brand that is at the heart of his business.

Full Article Here
 
You really had to make this thread? Are you that happy lol?

I’d stay in Australia these next 4 years are gonna be fucked up
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
Ill hazard a guess and say this thread is a really well thought out way to justify some left wingers / Trump haters getting to do their hating instead of living the democrat controlled American dream and focusing their energy on that instead.
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It's actually just a place to discuss a political figure who will by everyone's estimation remain relevant and influential for years to come. Since he's no longer President, it makes perfect sense to create a new thread. Not everything is a conspiracy.
 
mal3volent said:
It's actually just a place to discuss a political figure who will by everyone's estimation remain relevant and influential for years to come. Since he's no longer President, it makes perfect sense to create a new thread. Not everything is a conspiracy.
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Oh I agree, there is no conspiracy here, theres nothing to conspire about. Cant stop you from jumping to conclusions though.

Simply "In the interest of respect to the by no means small number of Americans who voted for Trump, after some discussion we have decided to call this the former president trump thread. In deference to the office that he held for better of worse."


Why start pretending to respect the opposition now that the era is over?



Admittedly the Trumpists that make the news are nutbags, might have a better economic agenda than the democrats though.

Time will tell, if the democrats spend less time on him and more on their job hopefully he will be forgotten about soon , unfortunately it does seem those who really really want him to disappear are the ones keeping him relevant.

:)
 
Some of the rioters are calling president Trump a traitor for calling for peace on air after they said he told them to storm the Capitol. Some thought he would pardon them, but the moment of great insight must have happened today when he s no longer president and he didn't pardon them. Who'd a thought? lol
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
Why start pretending to respect the opposition now that the era is over?
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Respecting the opposition huh? You mean being such a narcissist that you spend two months trying to discredit the other side's win, all the while sewing anger and distrust which eventually culminates in an attempted coups?

I'm glad Biden won but only because the alternative was more Trump. Let's be clear about that. As fucked up as our system is, I still value living in a secular nation that still somewhat resembles a democracy. I'm not overjoyed that he won. I'm not enthusiastic. I don't feel like bragging. I'm simply relieved that the shit show is over.

I'd rather have another corporate centrist democrat in office than a mentally ill egomaniac who is willing to aid and abet white nationalists and tyrannical thugs.

✿Dai₷y✿ said:
Why start pretending
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I don't pretend. Why should I have to? You don't. No one else here does. My honest opinion is that having a thread titled "Former President Trump" is both respectful and pragmatic. What evidence do you have that I'm pretending?

✿Dai₷y✿ said:
might have a better economic agenda than the democrats
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Oh good. Would you care to let me know exactly what IS Trump's economic agenda? Because I still don't know. You do know he's a political opportunist, right? He's been a registered Democrat, Independent, and also at one time a member of the Reform Party? He's whatever he needs to be at the time. The only things that guide him are "Will this make me richer?" and "Will this make me more powerful?".

✿Dai₷y✿ said:
unfortunately it does seem those who really really want him to disappear are the ones keeping him relevant.
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He will remain relevant based only on the pending legal cases against him. And the fact that almost half the country is still convinced he was "robbed" out of a second term. That's something the right wing media has to answer for. They're the ones who helped feed people the propaganda.
 
Sigh. Can't fucking win.

If you want the truth. If you want super honest Jess rather than mod Jess.

In a lot of ways I'd have been happy to call the thread the "the fired baby thread". Cause yea, I hate the guy. And I find the idea of rubbing it in to his supporters that he lost after all their insistence that it wouldn't happen very appealing.

But we were trying to exercise a bit of courtesy. Not that I don't think we all weren't expecting to be damned if we do damned if we don't.

Exactly what could we have done? Closed the Trump thread and not started a new one? Then you'd be saying we were being biased cause we didn't start a new one when we knew he was still politically relevant. That it was an attempt to "cancel" him or some shit.

There's literally no option here that'd have made some people here happy cause the truth is you're just a bunch of fucking crybabies. You'd cry if we had called it the fired baby thread. You'd cry if we called it the former trump thread. You'd cry if we had made no future thread. You'd cry if we'd banned future threads.

Cry cry fucking cry.

You're probably right that the right wing crowd isn't actually that big. They just seem that way cause they cry the loudest. And are so obnoxious that a lot of the actual majority can't be fucked trying to reason with them anymore.
 
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the only ones crying are the commie lovers who want to bend over and take it up the ass from a CCP enslaved world. I for one do not want to one day end up in a concentration camp as a slave. Come back here in 4 years when america is chinas bitch and biden has xijping balls in his mouth,
 
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TripSitterNZ said:
the only ones crying are the commie lovers who want to bend over and take it up the ass from a CCP enslaved world. I for one do want to one day end up in a concentration camp as a slave. Come back here in 4 years when america is chinas bitch and biden has xijping balls in his mouth,
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Maybe I can now that adults are in charge and will do something so Americans will be less likely to be shot, infected, or left to die of preventable illnesses.

We will drag you by the ear kicking and screaming to a better world. Watch us. :D

We don't have to cry. We just won an election so fucking hard that you guys literally can't stand to believe it actually happened.

Crying the loudest doesn't make you the majority. On bluelight or in the real world.
 
Does that only apply to less white people getting shot or will you still support unarmed young innocent black teens getting shot by white people?
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Does that only apply to less white people getting shot or will you still support unarmed young innocent black teens getting shot by white people?
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Ooh low blow. And hilarious how on a dime you switch from complaining that we are too left to not left enough.

But hey I guess it's ultimately more about crying.

Whaaa, you're gonna make us a socialist dictatorship! And also wha! You wanna shoot black kids just because they're trying to kill you you racist!
 
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