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yeah, I like the philosophy of libertarian, @The Wizard of the Creek but am not a dues paying member and don't really like the party.

As for privatizing the military, it's in the constitution that congress shall provide and maintain a navy. So I'm wrong on that.

Nowhere does it mention we have a central bank and it goes to say that public funds must be reported and accounted for.
 
Spoken like a true libertarian. Right on! I think that the whole government is a waste of taxpayers money. My dream is to have the government privatized and run entirely for profit by cooperations like Chuck E Cheese.

It's insanity like this that caused me to abandon libertarianism. Even if I agree with a lot of the principles in theory, in practice people go to such insane extremes with them that I wanna jump ship.

This is always the problem, people, IMO immature people, find a belief system that initially appeals to them, then the human need to form groups and insist in extremes kicks in, and rather than agreeing with the principle because it matches their moral beliefs, they start warping their moral beliefs to match the principle.

So they for instance start supporting libertarianism for the entirely reasonable beliefs that freedom is should and as much freedom as possible should be attempted to maximize human quality of life.

Then over a few years they have become so taken in, usually by defending their beliefs and "othering" other beliefs and associating with other libertarians, they come to home opinions that would destroy human quality of life, because that's long since stopped being the goal.

Libertarianism was supported to try and support the goal of human quality of life, then it becomes so extreme they oppose all sorts of quality of life policies because they now support libertarianism because that's what they believe and what they believe is right.

Young kids who openly fight for and call themselves socialists and thing any number of crazy ideas are no different. Those extremist neonazis aren't much different.

Shitty and broken human psychology causes people to start agreeing with the label because that's their group and they feel defensive of it and the need to outdo others in their loyalty to it. Rather than their original reasons for aligning to the label which is that it spoke to them by agreeing with very generalized easily defended positions.

The devils in the details, if you insist on loyalty to a political philosophy you're pretty much certain to wind up advocating for concept that are harmful to human society.

Which is why the good of human society is the only concept I try to be loyal to. And I avoid considering myself a part of any particular political label/group.


You can still be my court wizard when I play princesses though. :D
 
Hey, what's best for the group, is good for you. WSHTF, and shit is hitting the fan. blah blah blah. And jess, you'd be money in a free market society.
 
A free market society like.. The ones likely every member of this thread have lived in their whole lives?

Strange thing to write as if it were a hypothetical.
 
Stranger things have happened. The fed artificially creates wealth. When the wealth runs out, it keeps printing, until the fire dies. Abandoning the gold standard was dumb move. Drugs are legal in a free market. You're not free. You're in liquid handcuffs. I'm in a similar boat.
 
Stranger things have happened. The fed artificially creates wealth. When the wealth runs out, it keeps printing, until the fire dies. Abandoning the gold standard was dumb move. Drugs are legal in a free market. You're not free. You're in liquid handcuffs. I'm in a similar boat.

Abandoning the gold standard was a smart move.

Since abandoning it the currency has been a lot more stable.

I mean seriously, go look at the value of gold over time and imagine if all your money changed its worth like that over those time frames.

No thanks.

It's exactly like people who wish they lived in a socialist system. They only see the flaws of their own system and think the grass is always greener. Not realizing that their existing system is actually substantially better. Just not "perfect". As no human system pretty much ever is.
 
Gold is a hedge against hyperinflation. Well, you're like Richard M. Nixon in your belief. I still love you tho no matter how criminal you become. @JessFR

The risks of hyperinflation are highly manageable. As seen in all the world's developed economies.

What as the problems with a gold backed currency are much much harder to manage.

Basically you're trading a possible risk for a certain one. Given prior to the disconnection of currency from gold the economy was a lot less stable and it tended to severely worsen recessions when people started hoarding.

No, fiat is much better. And no developed economy prints anywhere near enough money to cause runaway hyperinflation.

Note how your wallet doesn't have a 3 million dollar bills in it for proof.
 
Experts, like the ones at stansberryresearch.com, predict gold to jump to $10,000/oz, Silver from $50-200/oz. This is when we pin down the fed and end it. Just look at bitcoin. The trend suggests government oversight in gold. @JessFR

I did buy BTC at $600, have half of it left. As well as many altcoins.
 
I like libertarianism too, although I was always more aligned with libertarianism’s left-wing than it’s right-wing (my political role-model in my youth was Emma Goldman). I’m very familiar with right-wing libertarianism too, though. Unfortunately we live in an “authoritarian age”...I look at some of the pro-capitalist libertarian sites like Lew Rockwell or strike the root, and they’ve completely drunk the MAGA kool aid at Jonestown. Other sites like Reason are more critical of Trump, but I think the success of Trump’s bellicose nationalism and authoritarian stylings has made a big impact on the right, both libertarian and authoritarian currents.

Every ideology has its paradoxes, contradictions and blind spots. For my own industry, if there were absolutely no regulations and a purist right-wing libertarian ideology was applied, I have no doubt that the ocean would be reduced to a smoking ruin...the participants would destroy everything, as has already happened in areas of the world where little regulatory oversight exists in regards to fishing...the wholesale plundering & destruction of the natural world in a rapacious and short-sighted quest to maximize profits is perhaps the biggest blind spot of right-wing libertarianism IMO
 
For my own industry, if there were absolutely no regulations and a purist right-wing libertarian ideology was applied, I have no doubt that the ocean would be reduced to a smoking ruin...the participants would destroy everything, as has already happened in areas of the world where little regulatory oversight exists in regards to fishing...the wholesale plundering & destruction of the natural world in a rapacious and short-sighted quest to maximize profits is perhaps the biggest blind spot of right-wing libertarianism IMO
Yes. Tragedy of the commons.
 
What's funny is my family that went to DC had deleted their facebook pages. I went to send mom a message over messenger and she wasn't on my contact list.. Even went to my 'other' profile that she had in her friends list (doesn't know about) and no mom? weird, maybe they think that they will be traced back to when they went to the capitol?
 
What's funny is my family that went to DC had deleted their facebook pages. I went to send mom a message over messenger and she wasn't on my contact list.. Even went to my 'other' profile that she had in her friends list (doesn't know about) and no mom? weird, maybe they think that they will be traced back to when they went to the capitol?
Maybe they’re protesting Trump being banned?
 
I can't speak for them or their motivations, but there are several examples of people on the left seeking to identify and punish Trump supporters. I would take this as being a precautionary effort on their part.

This. Many are boycotting Facebook and Twitter for censoring Trump supportive content. So either she deleted it for the cause or Facebook deleted her account for pro Trump content.

Sounds like a nightmare either way to me. If we don’t stop this censorship we’ll be enslaved shortly just my take.
 
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