US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

[JGrimez]

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The report about the server is also "the evidence". If it were falsified, people would know. It's not easy to hide that kind of thing.

Yes it is. That's why they've so easily duped you. That's why the NSA is "moderately confident". They're not even moderately confident that Russians hacked the DNC, it's just moderate confidence in the Crowdstrike report. This is why if the truth ever does become public then the intelligence agencies are absolved of their deception (which will be passed off as incompetence, as per usual). It'll be Crowdstrike's fault not theirs! (Also like I mentioned, the leaked files were forensically analyzed and the transfer rate was proven to be over LAN and not a hack. Not sure why you haven't seen or refuse to accept this evidence - that's what is called proper investigating).

And yes, the DNC needs to keep their internal communications private more than the average person. They are a political agency; even their informal discussions are potentially damaging. It's not unreasonable to want to control your own data..

So they'll trust a private company but not the FBI? Nice excuse there but doesn't make sense as to why they would trust them and not the FBI who provably covered for members of the Hillary camp. Also the DNC's data was leaked to the public already so....

On average, yes. If a person lies five percent of the time, we call them dishonest. The CIA runs a relatively effective intelligence operation (by the standards thereof; intel-gathering is generally overrated) and occasionally adds misinformation to their benefit.

Former CIA Director Pompeo "we lied, we cheated, we stole". I don't need to explain how dodgy and dishonest the CIA is. There's so much evidence out there of them doing reprehensible stuff and lying so much that it's bizarre for you to defend them.

There's no cui bono here. The CIA has every incentive to find the truth in this case. If they uncovered misconduct by CrowdStrike, it would be a huge political win

No it wouldn't because that would help Trump. Stop pretending like the CIA give a fuck about the truth. If they were as serious as you're pretending then the CIA and the FBI would have directly analyzed the DNC's servers and would have provided direct evidence before making the (dangerous and reckless) claims that the Russian government hacked the DNC. Just because liberal media says that there's evidence - that doesn't actually make it true that evidence exists or has been presented to the public (which did not happen).

I have no reason to care what you claim to believe... If you are supporting Trump, I can call you a Trump supporter. I'm not going to insult you at all, because that's not allowed here.

When you say stuff like (paraphrasing) "typical of a Trump supporter, they all believe and repeat lies" etc that would be the equivalent of me saying "Libtards are so dumb that they're actually proud of being ignorant" - which I'm pretty sure would rouse the ire of a few moderators here. I mean there is a ton of stuff I disagree with Trump on. So if you aren't a rabid Trump-hater does that make you a "Trump supporter" in your opinion? If I have lost faith in Trump yet still feel it's important to say the truth when people lie about stuff like Russian hacking - does that make me a Trump supporter? Or am I just anti-bullshit?

But I can describe you: you are a Trump supporter -- you support the fantasy world he depends on...

...Maybe go have a read through the history of the Mueller investigation thread and see who was spreading lies for years.

 

[Illyria99]

All politicians lie. I thought that was a given. And while I certainly don't support Trump, I find the continuous outrage over his untruths a bit over the fucking top. I get it, the guy's a sleazy megalomaniac who should NEVER have been elected. However, the nonstop whinging over this guy is just hysterical. No, wait...I meant repetitive and fucking boring. The Clintons, George W Bush, Obama, JFK, Nixon, Reagan....they ALL lied their asses off about a lot of shit, but none of them seemed to inflame the liberal media as much as Trump. Why is that? Is it because he's continually pissing people off on Twitter?

 

[Burnt Offerings]

I haven't seen a lot of evidence to suggest that Crowdstrike is a partisan entity...there were a lot of insinuations that was the case, but it appears that they presently do work for Republican organizations in both houses of Congress

Who’s Spending More On CrowdStrike: Democrats Or Republicans?

Following President Trump calling out CrowdStrike in a call with the Ukrainian president, CRN took a look at which political committees and candidates for office have spent the most money with the cybersecurity vendor.

www.crn.com

And if the FBI was covering for Clinton during 2016, they sure did a crap job of it...Comey's remarks about re-opening the investigation into Clinton's emails was praised at the time by Trump and is a contributing factor to the outcome of that election, although ultimately I don't want to place too much importance on ANYTHING "Hillary e-mail" related when it came to her losing that election...because IMO that would be a simplistic and inaccurate view of what happened in 2016

 

[phenethylo J]

All politicians lie. I thought that was a given. And while I certainly don't support Trump, I find the continuous outrage over his untruths a bit over the fucking top. I get it, the guy's a sleazy megalomaniac who should NEVER have been elected. However, the nonstop whinging over this guy is just hysterical. No, wait...I meant repetitive and fucking boring. The Clintons, George W Bush, Obama, JFK, Nixon, Reagan....they ALL lied their asses off about a lot of shit, but none of them seemed to inflame the liberal media as much as Trump. Why is that? Is it because he's continually pissing people off on Twitter?

The difference is they lied for the greater good of their country and its people while Trump just lied to benefit himself and his ego.

His supporters say his lies don't matter as long as he's getting stuff done but I'm pro-abortion and over half the country didn't vote for Trump so the voice and will of people like me matter too.

 

[Illyria99]

The difference is they lied for the greater good of their country and its people while Trump just lied to benefit himself and his ego.

His supporters say his lies don't matter as long as he's getting stuff done but I'm pro-abortion and over half the country didn't vote for Trump so the voice and will of people like me matter too.

Hang on. Are you saying that Bill and Killary lied for the greater good pf their country? Really? How so?

 

[JGrimez]

All politicians lie. I thought that was a given. And while I certainly don't support Trump, I find the continuous outrage over his untruths a bit over the fucking top. I get it, the guy's a sleazy megalomaniac who should NEVER have been elected. However, the nonstop whinging over this guy is just hysterical. No, wait...I meant repetitive and fucking boring. The Clintons, George W Bush, Obama, JFK, Nixon, Reagan....they ALL lied their asses off about a lot of shit, but none of them seemed to inflame the liberal media as much as Trump. Why is that? Is it because he's continually pissing people off on Twitter?

After conversing with liberals over the past few years has made me realize that most don't actually know why they hate Trump. I think many of them have just been that hopelessly dependent on the mainstream media that it didn't take much convincing for them to believe that Trump is Hitler incarnate. And the reason why the media was so rabidly (and blatantly hypocritically) anti-Trump is because the establishment wasn't sure about how much they could control him. Fast forward a few years and it seems that Trump has been put into check, is controllable and more or less follows the establishment agenda - on Israel at the very least which is the most important. Apart from that Trump hasn't for years spoke about immigration, he hasn't appealed to white America like he did during the election so he's not such a big threat to them anymore. In fact, amusingly, it seems that Bernie is a bigger threat to them. So yeah, liberals can't admit that Trump isn't that bad because then they'll have to admit that they were outraged for years over nothing, so this game of demonizing Trump and trying to pretend that he's so much worse than any other politician continues...

And if the FBI was covering for Clinton during 2016, they sure did a crap job of it...Comey's remarks about re-opening the investigation into Clinton's emails was praised at the time by Trump and is a contributing factor to the outcome of that election, although ultimately I don't want to place too much importance on ANYTHING "Hillary e-mail" related when it came to her losing that election...because IMO that would be a simplistic and inaccurate view of what happened in 2016

Are you actually being serious? Clinton - and everyone else involved - WALKED after they found evidence of possibly the greatest violation of national security EVER (whether intentional or not - obviously intentional). Comey and the FBI's job as federal cops was to collect the evidence and pass that on to the DOJ to recommend charges. The evidence was there. Even if we give Hillary the benefit of the doubt and say that she was too incompetent to know exactly what she was doing - literally nobody was held responsible for moving classified files from secure networks onto a private server. Someone moved those files! Who!? "Doesn't matter" according to the FBI. It seems that the FBI committed obstruction of justice by not following through with the investigation, they fabricated witness reports, they let witnesses collude and testify together. Bill Clinton even met secretly with the AG. Comey had to do something publicly because they found some of those classified files on the computer of underage sexter Anthony Weiner. That was too egregious to just let slide, but then they claimed a week later that everything was fine and they were shutting the case. Whether that helped Trump or not is not really relevant- Clinton and all of her associates (who lied to the FBI) are free, while Papadopolous, Flynn & Stone faced jail time even though their "crimes" were not even close to the severity of what was discovered on Hillary's bathroom server.

I haven't seen a lot of evidence to suggest that Crowdstrike is a partisan entity...there were a lot of insinuations that was the case, but it appears that they presently do work for Republican organizations in both houses of Congress[/QUOTE} Our opinions on Crowdstrike are not very relevant. The report from the intelligence agencies should not have been based on a report from a private IT company. The reason why they did is obviously because they wanted to cover up the truth (it wasn't Russians, it was most likely Seth Rich - Wikileaks even put up a 20K reward for information leading to the capture of Rich's killers).

FEC records reveal DNC issued checks to CrowdStrike the day after the murder of Seth Rich

FEC records reveal DNC issued checks to CrowdStrike the day after the murder of Seth Rich -- Sott.net

Federal Election Commission records show that CrowdStrike, an FBI contractor and private cyber security firm, received a $98,849.84 check from the Democratic National Committee the day after slain DNC staffer Seth Rich was murdered.

www.sott.net

CrowdStrike & DNC collude to prevent investigators from seeing "Russian hacker evidence"

CrowdStrike & DNC collude to prevent investigators from seeing "Russian hacker evidence" -- Sott.net

The "hacked DNC server" is unavailable to Russia investigators, and CrowdStrike is at the center of the scandal. By now it is common knowledge that, CrowdStrike, the cyber-security company hired by the DNC to investigate whether its servers were...

www.sott.net

US Govt's entire Russia-DNC hacking narrative based on redacted draft of Crowdstrike report

US Govt's entire Russia-DNC hacking narrative based on redacted draft of Crowdstrike report -- Sott.net

It's been known for some time that the US Government based its conclusion that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) on a report by cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike, which the DNC paid over a million dollars to conduct forensic...

www.sott.net

FBI's "outside contractors", the DNC servers and Crowdstrike

FBI's "outside contractors", the DNC servers and Crowdstrike -- Sott.net

The DNC lawsuit against Russia and the Trump Campaign provides for a new timeline of events. And raises new questions. Recall, the DNC famously refused to allow the FBI to examine their servers - which has always seemed more than a bit odd. If...

www.sott.net

DNC cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike may have fabricated Russian hacking in Ukraine

DNC cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike may have fabricated Russian hacking in Ukraine -- Sott.net

The cyber security firm outsourced by the Democratic National Committee, CrowdStrike, reportedly misread data, falsely attributing a hacking in Ukraine to the Russians in December 2016. Voice of America, a US Government funded media outlet,...

www.sott.net

 

[ghostandthedarknes]

Ozzy Osbourne tells Trump not to use his music, suggests alternatives | Complete Music Update

completemusicupdate.com

if Ozzy doesn't like you, you must be a dick.

 

[MJ420]

I can't wait until he wins.

 

[ghostandthedarknes]

I can't wait until he wins.

me either. wall builders gotta work and our prisons are overcrowded

 

[JessFR]

If Trump wins again...ugh..i dunno how ill feel.

Sad? Depressed? Angry?

How could the country get so fucked up.

I feel kinda bad for the anti trump Republicans. They've basically had their entire party sell them out.

 

[JGrimez]

If Trump wins again...ugh..i dunno how ill feel.

Sad? Depressed? Angry?

How could the country get so fucked up.

I feel kinda bad for the anti trump Republicans. They've basically had their entire party sell them out.

The vast majority of Republicans support Trump. I feel worse for the liberals that have watched their party descend into radical insanity.

 

[JessFR]

The vast majority of Republicans support Trump. I feel worse for the liberals that have watched their party descend into radical insanity.

Yea well more people probably care about a stupid wall and immigrants than about trump repeatedly damaging separation of powers and acting like a dictator.

 

[JGrimez]

He hasn't done that at all though. Just because he may have an inflated ego doesn't mean he's abusing his power. He hasn't even really cracked down on immigration

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Are you actually being serious? Clinton - and everyone else involved - WALKED after they found evidence of possibly the greatest violation of national security EVER (whether intentional or not - obviously intentional). Comey and the FBI's job as federal cops was to collect the evidence and pass that on to the DOJ to recommend charges. The evidence was there. Even if we give Hillary the benefit of the doubt and say that she was too incompetent to know exactly what she was doing - literally nobody was held responsible for moving classified files from secure networks onto a private server. Someone moved those files! Who!? "Doesn't matter" according to the FBI. It seems that the FBI committed obstruction of justice by not following through with the investigation, they fabricated witness reports, they let witnesses collude and testify together. Bill Clinton even met secretly with the AG. Comey had to do something publicly because they found some of those classified files on the computer of underage sexter Anthony Weiner. That was too egregious to just let slide, but then they claimed a week later that everything was fine and they were shutting the case. Whether that helped Trump or not is not really relevant- Clinton and all of her associates (who lied to the FBI) are free, while Papadopolous, Flynn & Stone faced jail time even though their "crimes" were not even close to the severity of what was discovered on Hillary's bathroom server.

I'm not interested in re-litigating Clinton's emails. Whether she committed high treason or not, it doesn't really matter when it comes to my point, which was basically that the Comey announcement sabotaged the media narrative around Clinton at a crucial point (shortly before November 2016)...and that doesn't really mesh with the idea that the FBI was acting in coordination with the Clinton campaign, does it?

 

[JGrimez]

Yes it does because they then lied and closed the investigation a week later. That's still a cover-up irrespective of whether Comey was facing a mutiny after the Weiner laptop was found. Then later on we know that the FBI colluded with the Clinton camp to use the fake peepee dossier to organize unlawful FISA warrants to spy on the Trump team. Go read the Strzok/Page text messages. There is so much evidence to prove my claim I could go on for hours.

But instead

 

[phenethylo J]

Hang on. Are you saying that Bill and Killary lied for the greater good pf their country? Really? How so?

You talking about when he said " I never inhaled" It's understandable since like he said he didn't want any kids who might look up to him to get the wrong impression and think it's ok to do drugs.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

Trump is truly once in a lifetime president. We are all blessed on this day.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

once in a lifetime

I guess twice if Bernie doesnt make it

 

[phenethylo J]

Trump is truly once in a lifetime president. We are all blessed on this day.

What if he losses the next election but ends up serving another non consecutive term; also his son could end up running next.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

What if he losses the next election but ends up serving another non consecutive term

Then Im gonna wave to the cameras every morning