Election 2020 The 2020 Candidates: Right, Left and Center!
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Xorkoth
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Warren didn't even come 2nd in her home state?? lol
Bernie barely won his home state after smashing it in 2016. Even Vermonters aren't buying his crap anymore.
Mr "anti-corporation" Sanders who voted for Lockheed money, the M-IC, NDAA, corporate welfare - nice record.
Some people actually think he's against foreign intervention - even though he keeps saying "Assad Must Go" and supported Al Qaeda in Libya/Syria. Supported all of Obama's wars.
Bernie is full of shit because he misses the point on healthcare. The real problem is that the prices are too high (Ron Paul's been saying it for 50 years).
Imagine you went to the supermarket and milk was $400 and meat was $500. Everything was overpriced and you couldn't afford it BUT if you were really poor then it was free. That's Medicaid.
If you reach a certain level of poverty then the government will buy your milk and your meat, but just a limited amount.
So it's free for you but then why does everyone else need to pay $400/$500? Because everyone else is paying for the free stuff, and the sellers know that the government is footing the bill so they just raise the prices on everything as high as they can. It doesn't matter as they're spending other people's money.
So how to fix it? You could introduce more competition with milk and meat companies, or you could just get rid of the free stuff. If you get rid of the free stuff and the government subsidies then the prices would bottom out dramatically. That's what Medicare/Medicaid do that's why things cost too much. So when you try to make Medicaid For All it's gonna be the same thing that happened to education. When you give student loans out to anyone then they all end up in debt because the prices skyrocket and they can't afford to pay it back. There are regulations even within Medicaid/Medicare that will not allow the government to negotiate the price down. But they never talk about price they just talk about how to tax rich people to pay for it. More corporate welfare - and the more you tax and spend the higher the price is gonna continue to rise. That's how they fucked up education. They said college should be for everyone so they started guaranteeing student loans. So then the college knows that the government is gonna give you money from the Dept of Ed and the price goes up. (There's a reason for that, they use them as structure investment vehicles so that colleges invest in hedge funds which get a conglomerate of defense company stocks and they take your guaranteed student loans and dump them into Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, Raytheon, Boeing etc and even go around and invest in those same companies - basically insider trading).
So what if you had $400 milk? Would you rather argue about how to pay for the $400 milk with taxes or would you say "hey why the fuck is milk $400? Why can't it be cheaper? How did it get to 400? Prices aren't so high everywhere else in the world. USA has gone nuts. They don't allow competition across state lines which keeps the prices high. The government and the government regulations are keeping the price high by preventing market competition. Pro-market is not pro-corporate. Corporations don't want more competition, they want less. They want monopolies. Most people simply don't understand this regional monopoly system.
In Africa a lot of the food aid is there to create intentional dependency. It wipes out their own agency, it wipes out their ability to grow and sell themselves (because you can't compete with free stuff). It puts them in debt. A lot of that isn't give away, it's given to them as a loan. It's aid - but it drives them in debt. And they end up having to sell intrinsic assets for it. "Here sell your land to giant European commodity company". Those companies are making bank extracting all their raw resources, producing goods elsewhere and then selling them back to the people.
The liberal fantasy is giving poor people money and thinking that it will fix the problems. It doesn't work. You have to increase markets and increase business so that people can help themselves.
Keep giving people fish or teach them how to fish. I find that some liberals are actually pretty racist. They're racist but not. They'll say "we need to give money to help Africa because they don't know how to take care of themselves" etc. They talk down to them and feel good about it. Africa is messed up because voters support leaders who fund mercenaries and warlords over there who decimate countries in order for us to get cheap resources to make our goods.
So yeah Sanders is full of it and his followers are misguided. Instead of going towards more market solutions which have already proven to work and were working before they screwed it up, they're going the complete opposite direction towards socialist solutions which have proven to fail everywhere it's ever been done. "What about muh Norway/Denmark/Sweden?" - The leaders of Denmark themselves have said that it is a market economy. They have a welfare state which is not helping them because they're burning through capital that they raised prior to becoming a welfare state but that's paid for by private industry. Norway has a booming oil industry and only 5 million people. They have what's called Nordic capitalism and that's why they've thrived.
The Department of Education is the 3rd richest corporation in the US. They don't count it as one but if you did it would be around 3rd of 4th behind Walmart and Exxon. There's no reason for that, it's the whole college loan gambit. They basically borrow at low interest and loan out at a higher interest - at the expense of an entire generation screwed over by debt and not learning anything useful. So if you say "we should get rid of the Department of Education" people will screech and yell "you're anti-education!! You want to get rid of the Dept of Ed! Oh, you wanna get rid of the EPA? You're pro-pollution and want to destroy the planet! You just love corporations..."
Bernie barely won his home state after smashing it in 2016. Even Vermonters aren't buying his crap anymore.
Mr "anti-corporation" Sanders who voted for Lockheed money, the M-IC, NDAA, corporate welfare - nice record.
Some people actually think he's against foreign intervention - even though he keeps saying "Assad Must Go" and supported Al Qaeda in Libya/Syria. Supported all of Obama's wars.
Bernie is full of shit because he misses the point on healthcare. The real problem is that the prices are too high (Ron Paul's been saying it for 50 years).
Imagine you went to the supermarket and milk was $400 and meat was $500. Everything was overpriced and you couldn't afford it BUT if you were really poor then it was free. That's Medicaid.
If you reach a certain level of poverty then the government will buy your milk and your meat, but just a limited amount.
So it's free for you but then why does everyone else need to pay $400/$500? Because everyone else is paying for the free stuff, and the sellers know that the government is footing the bill so they just raise the prices on everything as high as they can. It doesn't matter as they're spending other people's money.
So how to fix it? You could introduce more competition with milk and meat companies, or you could just get rid of the free stuff. If you get rid of the free stuff and the government subsidies then the prices would bottom out dramatically. That's what Medicare/Medicaid do that's why things cost too much. So when you try to make Medicaid For All it's gonna be the same thing that happened to education. When you give student loans out to anyone then they all end up in debt because the prices skyrocket and they can't afford to pay it back. There are regulations even within Medicaid/Medicare that will not allow the government to negotiate the price down. But they never talk about price they just talk about how to tax rich people to pay for it. More corporate welfare - and the more you tax and spend the higher the price is gonna continue to rise. That's how they fucked up education. They said college should be for everyone so they started guaranteeing student loans. So then the college knows that the government is gonna give you money from the Dept of Ed and the price goes up. (There's a reason for that, they use them as structure investment vehicles so that colleges invest in hedge funds which get a conglomerate of defense company stocks and they take your guaranteed student loans and dump them into Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, Raytheon, Boeing etc and even go around and invest in those same companies - basically insider trading).
So what if you had $400 milk? Would you rather argue about how to pay for the $400 milk with taxes or would you say "hey why the fuck is milk $400? Why can't it be cheaper? How did it get to 400? Prices aren't so high everywhere else in the world. USA has gone nuts. They don't allow competition across state lines which keeps the prices high. The government and the government regulations are keeping the price high by preventing market competition. Pro-market is not pro-corporate. Corporations don't want more competition, they want less. They want monopolies. Most people simply don't understand this regional monopoly system.
In Africa a lot of the food aid is there to create intentional dependency. It wipes out their own agency, it wipes out their ability to grow and sell themselves (because you can't compete with free stuff). It puts them in debt. A lot of that isn't give away, it's given to them as a loan. It's aid - but it drives them in debt. And they end up having to sell intrinsic assets for it. "Here sell your land to giant European commodity company". Those companies are making bank extracting all their raw resources, producing goods elsewhere and then selling them back to the people.
The liberal fantasy is giving poor people money and thinking that it will fix the problems. It doesn't work. You have to increase markets and increase business so that people can help themselves.
Keep giving people fish or teach them how to fish. I find that some liberals are actually pretty racist. They're racist but not. They'll say "we need to give money to help Africa because they don't know how to take care of themselves" etc. They talk down to them and feel good about it. Africa is messed up because voters support leaders who fund mercenaries and warlords over there who decimate countries in order for us to get cheap resources to make our goods.
So yeah Sanders is full of it and his followers are misguided. Instead of going towards more market solutions which have already proven to work and were working before they screwed it up, they're going the complete opposite direction towards socialist solutions which have proven to fail everywhere it's ever been done. "What about muh Norway/Denmark/Sweden?" - The leaders of Denmark themselves have said that it is a market economy. They have a welfare state which is not helping them because they're burning through capital that they raised prior to becoming a welfare state but that's paid for by private industry. Norway has a booming oil industry and only 5 million people. They have what's called Nordic capitalism and that's why they've thrived.
The Department of Education is the 3rd richest corporation in the US. They don't count it as one but if you did it would be around 3rd of 4th behind Walmart and Exxon. There's no reason for that, it's the whole college loan gambit. They basically borrow at low interest and loan out at a higher interest - at the expense of an entire generation screwed over by debt and not learning anything useful. So if you say "we should get rid of the Department of Education" people will screech and yell "you're anti-education!! You want to get rid of the Dept of Ed! Oh, you wanna get rid of the EPA? You're pro-pollution and want to destroy the planet! You just love corporations..."
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As someone who lives under one of the "socialized" universal health care systems. I'd say it's easily, for me anyway, the single best thing about living in Australia. And there's a lot I hate about living here but... Lemme put it this way...
I was cured of hep c... Virtually for free... By a health care system that costs what? Half per capita the US bill? While if I lived in the US it'd have cost 80k and I'd simply never have gotten treated. I'd probably never have even gotten tested.
Meanwhile I have family in the US who just don't get treated at all for their medical issues because they can't afford it.
So Australians are paying substantially less, for substantially more.
I love America, but the health care situation is beyond idiotic.
I was cured of hep c... Virtually for free... By a health care system that costs what? Half per capita the US bill? While if I lived in the US it'd have cost 80k and I'd simply never have gotten treated. I'd probably never have even gotten tested.
Meanwhile I have family in the US who just don't get treated at all for their medical issues because they can't afford it.
So Australians are paying substantially less, for substantially more.
I love America, but the health care situation is beyond idiotic.
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Ugh. Fuck Joe. I guess I’m voting third party this year... I’m almost inclined to vote for Trump. Anyone that doesn’t want to decrease liberties out the ass at least... what the fuck is happening? Why the hell did anyone trust Hillary or now Biden? They’re about as straight as a circle. Just... ugh. Tired of voting for Bernie in every primary then having my vote discarded.
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If you think your liberties aren’t at stake with Trump, then I suspect you’re in for an unpleasant surprise if he wins. From both the Executive and Judiciary branches.
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Additionally, trump is such an incompetent president. He thinks he knows everything, he doesn't listen to experts. The longer he's in power the more likely it becomes for him to fuck up some major disaster or international political crisis.
Not to mention how much damage he's doing to the basic institutions of American government. Expecting loyalty personally to him, setting precedents for abuses of executive power that could cause damage for decades to come.
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im angry too but no way in hell am I voting for Trump. at least with Biden the progressive movement would have room to breathe and organize. Probably around AOC. I'm pretty convinced now that Americans are so shallow they need a young attractive minority to woo them into progressive change. Obama was progressive for 2008.
a progressive movement can exist within a democratic administration. Another 4 years of trump would mean truly irreparable damage to the fabric of our democracy, the environment, world affairs, etc.
im not just talking about Trump himself, but also the apparatus that he enables.
ive not given up completely on Bernie yet. But it's possible if Biden wins he could choose a progressive VP. We desperately need a qualified group of people in the White House again. Getting the Department of Education in order again. Housing. The CDC. Our entire fucking government is crumbling.
Republican presidents prop up republican governors , and they do a lot of damage as well. Even with Biden as President, individual states would be freer to pursue their own progressive agendas. And they would meet less resistance than with Trump. I'd prefer single payer health care and legal weed nationwide, but I'd settle for Medicaid expansion and medical marijuana. Compared to what I have now.
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I'm still pretty convinced Biden will lose. I'm just saying, I'm not voting Trump.
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I think they’re at stake either way it’s just a matter of which liberties I guess you could say. I don’t believe in Trump at all and im convinced he’s a loon but I really... really hate Biden.
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I am too Biden cannot drum up the socialist vote which is a huge block of the Democratic Party.
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I guess I wouldn’t vote for Trump, I’d just abstain in a Biden vs Trump election.
Not that it matters here anyways...
Not that it matters here anyways...
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yeah same here. The election will come down to college campuses and suburbs in the purple states.
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there's still that nagging thought in the back of your mind though, isn't there? What if he loses?
Sometimes I see videos like this and I think it's just too good to be true.
cduggles
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Imo, that attitude will get a second term of Trump. Worse Trump.
I get not living one of the few decisive areas, but the margins of the popular vote will matter this time around, because Trump is already hedging his bets on claims of voter fraud. If he loses by a narrow margin, don’t expect anything good.
Make no mistake, the Supreme Court will become more conservative (see Sotomayer’s recent dissent), Trump and the institutions that run him like the NRA and the Federalist society are going to go nuts. It’s going to be be a lot different and a lot worse for everyone except the mega-wealthy. Trump won’t have to cater to his base anymore.
I don’t understand sitting out the upcoming election. Hopefully Trump botches something that matters directly to his base or apathetic voters badly enough, because if the opportunity presents itself, he will.
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The way I see it... If you truly, honestly, just can't bring yourself to vote for either.. And would rather not vote. Then I guess that's just that.
But if you are thinking even for a moment that you would vote if you felt your vote could make a difference, then you should.
Unless you intend to vote trump, in that case don't worry, he's gonna win no matter what so you don't need to bother
But if you are thinking even for a moment that you would vote if you felt your vote could make a difference, then you should.
Unless you intend to vote trump, in that case don't worry, he's gonna win no matter what so you don't need to bother
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Good. The liberal ideology has gone way too far. This is what you get for not checking radicals.
The party that you support prefers Trump over some of their own candidates. They lied to you. They're not so against Trump and Trump isn't that bad.
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^^Just coming to share that. Same event, diff camera
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