The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

[Nicomorphinist]

Well would ya look at that?

Trump Support Up This Week Among Black Voters

President Trump triggered a media firestorm when he criticized a longtime Democratic congressman’s job performance, saying his Baltimore district is “a rat and rodent infested mess” and “the worst run and most dangerous anywhere in the United States.”

m.rasmussenreports.com

It's almost as if white liberals think they know what's best for black people.

Actually to be fair if we rewind back to 2016 and look at the general election polls, Rasmussen was THE most accurate.

That is correct . . . and I was floored by what I saw in the 2016 election with media and others trying to turn objective polling into a version of suppression calling, and I think that HRC's campaign was tanked (inadvertently -- I have also /qu
and other health concerns that that is accurate tes t the Podesta crowd and members of the Clinton and/or Rodham family the took ) its own people because they were asleep at the switch and actually believing that if someone, like a campaign media specialist or what have you told. . . in a


I hope all of the pollsters and pundits learned their lesson in 2016 -- do your job correctly . . . it was like a lot of the polls were part of some OTO sex magick working eee where if they repeat the same thing over and over again it will happen. HRC had some really incompetent media people, I will tell you that, stone-cold nuts, actually . . .

 

[TheLoveBandit]

He was also born in 1911 ,that hes was a bit racist aint that surprising.

I don't recall other eras having quite the same degree of applying current norms against previous eras. Then again, I wasn't alive during those other times so maybe they were. But overall, I accept that 'by todays standards x,y, and z are offensive and not acceptable' but I have a real hard time condemning other eras when their standards were different. This is a badly worded way of saying I agree with your post - in today's light his mindset can be viewed as racist, but it was the cultural mindset in which he was raised and lived.

 

[Xorkoth]

I think it's totally valid (and even necessary) to consider the era one grew up in when considering context for comments that are offensive. Different words have different meanings in different times. People were raised with certain attitudes being completely normal, to the point that few even thought twice about them. Passive/ingrained racism is very different from active racism (ie, active hate, seeking physical or emotional harm). it's still a problem, and we still should work to dig it out of society (and I think we will eventually, as each generation is getting more and more truly egalitarian, by and large), but it's not fair to lump everyone who might do something considered offensive into the same boat.

 

[cduggles]

^ I think it will depend on the Democratic candidate and also the campaigns.

I’m thinking Trump will handily win the race to the bottom, and he risks alienating even his dwindling base. Plus he will flood the airwaves with himself, and Trump fatigue is real.

His opinion polls are really low considering the economy, and even though Trump is willing to spend American money to prop it up for awhile, it might just come crashing down.

His internals have him losing to Biden, and I’m sure that freaks him out.

 

[cduggles]

These polls are Trump’s internals. (That means the polls that his own campaign runs. I doubt they enjoyed breaking the news to him.)

Edit: Here’s a link, in which his own campaign admitted the numbers were valid:

President Trump’s internal polling data from March showed him far behind Joe Biden in key battleground states

Data from President Donald Trump's early internal reelection campaign poll obtained exclusively by ABC News, show him losing a Joe Biden matchup by wide margins.

abcnews.go.com

Oh well...

 

[cduggles]

I posted a link in my edit.

Here’s another one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/11/more-brutal-poll-numbers-trump/?noredirect=on

 

[cduggles]

I could’ve predicted that response.

But, since when is Trump’s campaign manager an anonymous source? ?

“These leaked numbers are ancient, in campaign terms, from months-old polling that began in March before two major events had occurred: the release of the summary of the Mueller report exonerating the President, and the beginning of the Democrat candidates defining themselves with their far-left policy message,” Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale told ABC News in a statement.

Edit: Also, where are you getting CBS from?

 

[cduggles]

Yes, you were wrong.

 

[cduggles]

Yeah... speed reading.

 

[cduggles]

And the economy was great then, shouldn’t Trump have been winning by your “logic”? In every one of his own polls at least. ?

I actually pity whoever had to drop that steamer on him.

 

[cduggles]

He is tho ,your ancient polls carefully scribed on parchment scare me not.

Apparently, it’s just the reading comprehension that gives you problems. :D

“Oh source please”

“Oh those sources are fake news”

“Oh those are like ancient [strikethrough]anonymous sources at CBS[/strikethrough] just like your quote from Brad Parscale.

“I was wrong, cduggles.”

 

[cduggles]

Dont change the subject ,crux of your post months old polls.Dont be mean now.

My point was that the economy has been doing well, but Trump is not even winning in his own internal polling, as acknowledged by his own campaign manager after Trump lied about the data.

Even a whole two months ago...

And me be mean? The only thing you’re a victim of is challenging someone who has sources and isn’t wrong. And that’s my hot take. ?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Your very partisan for a moderator ,still old news and still being mean.

Your grammar is very poor for a Bluelighter. "You're" would work better in your post.



CDuggs is actually remarkably fair and balanced. I'm going to disagree with you.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Grammar existed prior to computers but it's all good.

 

[Xorkoth]

Okay we should quit this back and forth quipping, guys. Grammar and keyboard skills are neither here nor there in this discussion.

I long for the days when pointing out a fact didn't make one "partisan". Every fucking thing you could possibly talk about seems to have been radicalized into some hyperpartisan talking point anymore. Pretty much every single person in America is on one side or another of this circus shitshow of a political arena we have going on, why should a moderator be any different?

cdugs' point was that Trump's own campaign manager stated the poll numbers. That's a source. Deny it if you will but let's stick to debate. It's completely fair and valid to disagree with someone, but likewise it's fair and valid for someone to disagree back at you.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

I long for the days when pointing out a fact didn't make one "partisan". Every fucking thing you could possibly talk about seems to have been radicalized into some hyperpartisan talking point anymore. Pretty much every single person in America is on one side or another of this circus shitshow of a political arena we have going on

Amen. I still rue the fact that 'news' cannot present an unbiased report of anything, not even a cat stuck in a tree. But with that change in society, if you have an opinion on anything, anywhere, you are planted in some part of the political spectrum whether you agree with that assessment or not. Used to be many of us were individuals, with our own opinions and views, and collectively we made up the spectrum but you could move anywhere along that line based on the subject....now, if you want to be or not, everyone gets a label, or more accurately a big red letter. :sigh:

 

[JessFR]

Your very partisan for a moderator ,still old news and still being mean.

There's nothing wrong with moderates having partisan political opinions, provided they don't influence their decisions as moderators.

Now you can argue about whether or not various moderators here do that or don't do that, but my point is having partisan beliefs in itself isn't a problem.

Besides, bluelights not a political forum. It's not designed to provide a neutral ground for political discussion. Which isn't to say having such discussions is a bad thing or shouldn't be allowed. Just that in my opinion it's not something that should be taken as seriously as if it were bluelights primary purpose.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I still rue the fact that 'news' cannot present an unbiased report of anything, not even a cat stuck in a tree.

Oh I disagree and normally you can easily decipher through the "agenda/message" IF, and this is a big if, there is one.

Just turn on war footage. Normally they don't phrase it in political terms. It's more like "the government started bombing the Idlib Province again" and there will be footage of the Turkish red jackets running out with the kids. There's not much of an agenda. I could imagine people watching from either side (pro-Assad or pro-rebels) and interpreting AJ news on the footage fairly easily. Of course Qatar and the oil barons largely support the rebels and like feeding the war machine; I think that's largely irrelevant when their factual covering of on-goings, talks, etc. remains fairly objective.

It's not like FOX NEWS where anchors go "WHY CAN'T I LIVE IN A WORLD WITHOUT ISLAM" or Pierro (god bless her hateful heart )

Even CNN gets an agenda that is normally very anti-Trump OR at the very least anti-Trump cronies (THIS IS WHY I LOVE CNN sometimes they're like "Yeah maybe there's collusion but THIS Trump CRONY GUY FOR SURE TOOK $$$$$$$$$$$ FROM RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE KNOW!" and they're at least honest about it)

If libs really wanted to try their hand at Fake News, LET ME, WINSTON, DO IT! Let's try a few....
"Leaked tax records show ALL OF TRUMP'S MONEY IS A LOAN FROM FOUR RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS; THREE WITH CLOSE PUTIN CONNECTIONS"
"Cabals leaked briefly displayed Trump's alleged tape in Russia; grainy footage, inconclusive analysis but it looks bad for the President!"

I could come up w/ shit all day long. For the most part I trust the "left-leaning" news. I mean, it's not liberal news. Do you think news anchors with 7, 8+ figures and beautiful vacation homes abroad that most poors in America could never hope to own really want to vote for a higher tax brackets? Maybe, but I'm going to guess not. They likely abhor Trump's racism but in the end money's money.

 

[Xorkoth]

I agree ,but if you have a political sub forum the Mod has got to be somewhat fair.

If disciplinary action is taken based on political views alone, then indeed unfairness is happening. However, disagreeing, even intensely, with a viewpoint is something a mod has every right to do as much as any other poster.

 

[Xorkoth]

...Right, if the banhammer is used without rule violations, that's abuse. But it's not happening now so I'm not seeing what the problem is.