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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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further thought, do people believe that rep. omar was dismissive of the 9/11 attack? c.h. i'm struggling to understand if this is the point you are making or the exact opposite?

i can see how, out of context, some people might see things that way but if you look at the comment in context, i think it's pretty clear that she's discussing discrimination against muslims generally in the wake of 9/11. but even if you choose to take her one controversial comment out of context and feel that it minimised the 9/11 attack the overarching point is surely, clearly, that muslims should explicitly refuse to be accused of guilt by association (which is, i believe, exactly what trump's comments are intended to do).

he lied about muslims celebrating the twin towers falling. this is just more of the same...

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I think the "some people did something" was a severe underscoring of what happened on that day in history. Just my 2c.

I don't entirely agree with Trump's rhetoric either. I probably am "somewhere in the middle", casually watching this all blow up over several days. *Shrugs*
 
Agreed. I think it was overblown. I'm sure that every day I say something that if you clipped just a certain phrase out and removed it from the greater context and framed it in a certain way, it could sound awful.

Granted I don't know the greater context of how she was saying it. I just think it's being way overblown.
 
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Yeah the report is chock full of that kind of stuff. That's why when the 2-page summary from Barr was released, he gloated, and now that the whole thing (even with half the fucking thing redacted) is released, he's shitting a brick and claiming the whole thing was fabricated. Which is it, dude? Is it real and it vindicates you, or is it fabricated? Mayhap it depends on whatever sounds better for you at the time?
 
a little premature with this perhaps:

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aside, trump has been asked by hbo twice to stop using their ip for political purposes...

alasdair
 
Shadowmeister said:
Yeah the report is chock full of that kind of stuff. That's why when the 2-page summary from Barr was released, he gloated, and now that the whole thing (even with half the fucking thing redacted) is released, he's shitting a brick and claiming the whole thing was fabricated. Which is it, dude? Is it real and it vindicates you, or is it fabricated? Mayhap it depends on whatever sounds better for you at the time?
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Yep. Trump retroactively changes the past at his whim. That's what deluded narcisists like him do. They simply can't handle being wrong or feeling undermined or embarrassed in any way no matter how trivial.

So they try to intimidate other people into agreeing with them and retroactively write anything they don't like out of their memory.

It's just pathetic.
 
alasdairm said:
oceania has always been at war with eastasia...

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Seriously.. This reminds me again of how insane things have become. When did the right become pro Russia? Have they always been pro Russia? Will they always have been anti Russia again soon? :(

It's not easy to become sane. :)
 
Trump sues in bid to block congressional subpoena of financial records

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President Trump and his business on Monday sued House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.) in a bid to block a congressional subpoena of his financial records.

The lawsuit seeks a court order to prevent Trump’s accounting firm from complying with what his lawyers say is an improper use of subpoena power by congressional Democrats.

“Democrats are using their new control of congressional committees to investigate every aspect of President Trump’s personal finances, businesses, and even his family,” the filing by Trump claims. “Instead of working with the President to pass bipartisan legislation that would actually benefit Americans, House Democrats are singularly obsessed with finding something they can use to damage the President politically.”

The filing, in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, further escalates a clash between the White House and the Democratic-controlled House over congressional oversight.

Last week, Cummings subpoenaed Mazars USA, an accounting firm long used by Trump.

For more than a decade, Mazars and a predecessor firm signed off on financial statements for Trump that he used when seeking loans. Some of the statements include frequent exaggerations or inaccuracies and were accompanied by a note from the firm saying it was not responsible for the accuracy of the information.

The Oversight Committee on March 20 asked the company for copies of “statements of financial condition” and audits prepared for Trump and several of his companies, including the one that owns the Trump International Hotel in downtown Washington. The panel also requested supporting documents used to produce the reports and communications between the firm and Trump.

The company said last week that it “will respect the legal process and fully comply with its legal obligations.”

Lawyers for the president and the Trump Organization previously wrote in a letter to Mazars’s counsel that an expected committee subpoena “would not be valid or enforceable.”
In the complaint filed Monday, Trump’s lawyers argue that the subpoena of Mazars “lacks a legitimate legislative purpose.”

“With this subpoena, the Oversight Committee is instead assuming the powers of the Department of Justice, investigating (dubious and partisan) allegations of illegal conduct by private individuals outside of government,” it says. “Its goal is to expose Plaintiffs’ private financial information for the sake of exposure, with the hope that it will turn up something that Democrats can use as a political tool against the President now and in the 2020 election.”
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Welcome to Washington DC.

Trump is going to get many subpoenas and there's nothing he can do about it, except use the courts to try to shield himself.

It won't work all the time. And the rest of the time requires his limited attention span and lawyers.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
the economy is in the toilet. The 10% under-employment rate speaks for itself.
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TheLoveBandit said:
Is that how you quantify the economy being in the toilet? 10% under-employment? Most of what I see and hear is that the economy is actually doing better than it has. Perhaps this is a line of discussion we should move to the Trump thread.
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I suppose, when challenging someone for what facts support their opinion, I should provide facts if I have an opposing opinion, no?

I tried to find a site that wasn't .gov or that I knew to be blatantly biased, this is where I ended up: https://ig.ft.com/sites/numbers/economies/us/ which provided a lot of cool charts, but not much in the way of quoting or linking to their images. Their GDP numbers show a steady climb since 2012, so we'd have to credit-blame both Obama and Trump equally, IMO. People in employment nicely mirrors the unemployment curves which are both trending very well right now for the US. Unemployment below 4% (no mention of underemployment), and wage growth showing a significant climb during Trumps tenure.

Here's another site, https://data.worldbank.org/country/united-states , that reflects similar data. But they include a CO2 trend as well.

Overall, I find myself weak on citings. I'll come back when I can provide better. But I'd be interested in current statistics showing the state of the economy, good or bad.
 
Republican lawmaker in Iowa bolts party over disapproval of Trump

Iowa state Rep. Andy McKean announced Tuesday he is leaving the Republican Party and becoming a Democrat due to his misgivings over President Trump.

“With the 2020 presidential election looming on the horizon, I feel, as a Republican, that I need to be able to support the standard bearer of our party. Unfortunately, that’s something I’m unable to do,” McKean said at a press conference in Des Moines.

McKean, who was first elected to the Iowa Legislature 40 years ago, described Trump as a bully who “creates a breeding ground for hateful rhetoric and actions.”
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Nice that some people are stepping up and putting their actions before their political party for a change. Maybe this will inspire some others.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
He wouldn't be the first though, there were other people who renounced the Republican Party after their racist/"grab 'em by the pussy" shenanigans.
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I still find it the height of hypocracy for the Christian right to support trump. He's a man who not only is obviously not a Christian, is almost certainly an atheist, but who's moral behavior is totally incompatible with conservative Christian family values.

One would almost wonder if the Christian right doesn't really believe the values they protest. :)
 
JessFR said:
I still find it the height of hypocracy for the Christian right to support trump. He's a man who not only is obviously not a Christian, is almost certainly an atheist, but who's moral behavior is totally incompatible with conservative Christian family values.

One would almost wonder if the Christian right doesn't really believe the values they protest. :)
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It boggles the mind at first, but then it makes perfect sense. Right wing conservative Christians are hypocrites at their core and have been for as long as I've been alive, at least. You can't claim to follow Jesus Christ then devote your entire life to doing the opposite of what he taught.
 
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