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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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If he had anything to do with the Korea turnaround...
lol. what turnaround?

Do you have a source for that quote? I'd like to see how out of context you took it.
sure: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097116612279316480

Well I've never said this so you can stop directing this at me because you've said it probably 50 times.
take a breath dude. it's not directed at you. it's not always about you, you know? and if i've said it 50 times then it's just in response to 50 cases of trump hypocrisy or dishonesty.

...and what they ignore...

OK well you realize in that case if nobody has stated what you're arguing against then you're really talking to yourself.
lol. are you being deliberately obtuse? you stated it.

alasdair
 
lol. what turnaround?
Sometimes I wonder if you're trolling.
When Trump inherited the job we were on the verge of WW3 with Korea (how quickly our memories fade).
That turned into Kim Jong Un walking across the border for the first time ever and holding fucking hands with Moon.
Sent their athletes together during Winter Olympics
Trump went over and met cordially with Kim.
Kim stopped sending rockets over Japan and destroyed a test site.
Border was opened and a joint rail system was pledged.
Coincidentally right into Trump's term.
WHAT TURNAROUND???!!1

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1097116612279316480
What Trump said: "Question is, how do the Networks get away with these total Republican hit jobs without retribution?"
What Alasdair heard: "SNL is deserving of retribution!!!!"
Nice spin/misquote buddy.
 
north korea continues to develop nukes and continues to try to hide that activity from the u.s.

no turnaround.

lol. i'm not sure obama should have receive the nobel peace prize but at least he didn't ask to be given it :\

and you're seeing what you want to see. you should practice what you preach.

are you honestly arguing that "how do they do that without retribution" != "there should be retribution for what they do"?

you are being intellectually dishonest.

alasdair
 
When Trump inherited the job we were on the verge of WW3
Everything was peachy when Obama got the job though.
Trump went over and met cordially with Kim
Not surprising.
Border was opened
Now that's one thing we can all agree on - nobody opens borders and brings down barricades like Donald Trump.

...

I think we should give this guy the Nobel Prize.
 
JGrimez said:
My suspicions lead me to believe that the Democrats are the ones who are benefiting the most from fraud. It's amusing that for the past couple years the Left would say to me that "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD" - yet there is quite a bit. That also confused me because they would simultaneously tell me that Russia "interfered" or "influenced" the election..... but there was zero fraud. So how did they do that? Hypnotize people through FB ads? $4,700 worth? Anyway thankfully, FINALLY, it seems that all that Russia bullshit is starting to die down a little.

Oh man, if it's your suspicions... geez, case closed! ;)

But yeah, it's not inconsistent to say that voter fraud from illegal immigrants voting illegally and the like is not a significant problem, yet in this one election there was Russian meddling.

I mean, illegal immigrants want to stay under the radar, and make money in the USA and send it back to their families, or have a better life than they could where they come from. Why would they risk that to vote illegally?
 
Everything was peachy when Obama got the job though.
Under Obama, the N.Koreans further developed their weapons and then had the ability to hit the US mainland with an ICBM which they could not do previously. Obviously that was a massive fail for Obama and was a direct escalation of the conflict.

Under Trump there's been what seems like a complete reversal. To say that no positive changes happened in NK is just ridiculous and proves that one is not being honest. You could argue that Trump had nothing to do with it, that he got lucky and was in the right place at the right time - but to say that nothing good happened in the NK/SK conflict is stupidly inaccurate.

Not surprising.
lol it was actually very surprising. Although in hindsight it's easy to forget especially for the Trump-haters.

Oh man, if it's your suspicions... geez, case closed!
Suspicions based on evidence. Democrats are vocally opposed to there being a national voter ID. That's because they benefit from many illegal immigrants voting, there's been dead names that have voted, bussing people to multiple states etc. I'm sure the GOP engage in this too but if I had to bet it would be mostly Dems.

But yeah, it's not inconsistent to say that voter fraud from illegal immigrants voting illegally and the like is not a significant problem, yet in this one election there was Russian meddling.
Thank you that actually made lol. So illegal voting is an insignificant problem, but Russian "meddling" isn't. It's even funnier now that the evidence has come out - Russians spent $4,700 on internet ads. I'd like to see someone tell me with a straight face that that was a more egregious attack on the democratic system than people voting illegally. If that's all the money it takes to significantly affect an election then we should be panicking at the fragile state of the electoral process.
And now we also know that Trump & Russia did not collude, so would you still be sticking with that narrative?

I mean, illegal immigrants want to stay under the radar, and make money in the USA and send it back to their families, or have a better life than they could where they come from. Why would they risk that to vote illegally?
To keep the party in power that gives them sanctuary and other benefits at the expense of citizens, speaks about giving them free healthcare (Cuomo) and keeps the border open.

you're right. they were not his exact words. that's an error and i apologise.
Thank you

i stand by my claim that's what he's saying effectively.
I disagree, you made it sound much worse which is why I was confused and had no idea what you were referring to originally. He was referring to how SNL has become ridiculously political and biased, which many consider a problem even if you do not. You insinuated that he wanted to silence free speech or lock people up for jokes, which is completely different.
 
Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081
this is a good thing. i give him credit. let's see where it goes.

Fact: Trump was the only president to begin his term as pro-LGBT.
you're only seeing what you want to see again.

he talked about it a lot on the campaign trail but talk is cheap and his actions once in office told a different story. from another thread...

during the campaign, he said he was a different kind of republican - he came from a more liberal background in new york and he was the candidate who would finally make some changes in the republican party with regard to lgtb issues and that he would be a friend to the lgtb community. how refreshing! he even flew the flag:

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it was all going to be different. well, how does his administration stack up on this?

it's been an absolute disaster. among other things:


he said he'd be "a friend" to the community - does anything about these actions say anything other than the exact opposite?

this isn't aren't-politicians-a-bit-slimy-business-as-usual political campaigning. he pandered and told people exactly what they wanted to hear and then got elected when they believed him and did the exact opposite :\

alasdair
 
Thank you that actually made lol. So illegal voting is an insignificant problem, but Russian "meddling" isn't. It's even funnier now that the evidence has come out - Russians spent $4,700 on internet ads. I'd like to see someone tell me with a straight face that that was a more egregious attack on the democratic system than people voting illegally. If that's all the money it takes to significantly affect an election then we should be panicking at the fragile state of the electoral process.
And now we also know that Trump & Russia did not collude, so would you still be sticking with that narrative?

I'm saying I don't believe immigrants illegally voting is a problem. Maybe it's happened a few times, but I think it's a talking point used as a tool to further an agenda. However I do think that any amount of Russian meddling in our electoral process is a problem. Or any foreign power meddling in elections. Even if it's only $4,700, it sets a precedent. In any case Russia has a long history of wanting destabilize the West, particularly America. They also have a long history of being really good at subterfuge. Plus, this article says the Russians spent $1.25M a day on election meddling ads: https://adage.com/article/digital/russia-spent-1-25m-ads-acted-agency-mueller/312424/. So, who to believe?
 
Under Trump there's been what seems like a complete reversal.
you seem to be simply drinking the nk kool-aid. open your eyes man!

north korea's nuclear weapons program is alive and well. undeclared missile bases - and development sites - continue to be found:

NORTH KOREAN MISSILE BASE AT YEONGJEO-DONG
A Comprehensive History of North Korea?s Nuclear Program: 2018 Update

that second links notes that nk has likely produced an additional 5-8 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium and about 150 kilograms of weapons-grade highly enriched uranium (last year).

they also comment "We also expect that the production of warheads most likely continued during the year" (all of which occurred in spite of u.s. and nk discussions since the middle of last year.)

You insinuated that he wanted to silence free speech or lock people up for jokes, which is completely different.
well, what do you think his retribution would look like in that case? he may well be talking about locking people up. in december last year, he got bent out of shape by jokes about himself on snl and suggested that mocking him might be/should be illegal: Trump Says 'Saturday Night' Should Be 'Tested In Court' Over 'Wonderful Life' Parody

for somebody who insults others frequently and freely, he doesn't seem to be able to handle a bit of satire and mocking...

alasdair
 
he said he'd be "a friend" to the community - does anything about these actions say anything other than the exact opposite?

Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality

All those things you listed (without investigating too deeply) I don't necessarily have a problem with. I'm generally not a fan of hate speech laws or legislation that benefits one group over another. Everyone should be equal. Trans people should be respected but they should also not expect too much special treatment, for example there's a big discussion atm about trans women competing in sports against cis women. The military thing I can understand. My friend was denied from the military because he sleepwalked when he was 8. The criteria for joining is extremely thorough and extreme medical conditions are often exempt. The point here is that Trump didn't restrict any trans rights, and now he actually seems to be doing something for the global LGBT community, communities overseas I feel do not get enough attention.

Conspiracy theory: someone was recently hanged in Iran for being gay. Trump may be using that as a way to smear Iran to tee up a regime change. Leftist dilemma: choosing between believing that Trump did something good, or a right-wing conspiracy theory.
 
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totally legal and protected by 1st amendment; constitution extends to everyone, not just US citizens. Lots of Americans like to forget about this regarding illegal immigrants, but they have constitutional rights too.
it's not quite that simple.

if we're just talking about posting content online, then yes, they are protected. and, in the case of individuals pushing propaganda who are not protected, they're effectively protected by national borders.

however, the 1st amendment protects speech. it does not protect fraud so that could be one avenue. election law another.

and we're talking about individuals here. if an attempt to influence an election was carried out by a foreign government they would not be protected (because foreign governments don't have 1st amendment rights).

alasdair
 
All those things you listed (without investigating too deeply) I don't necessarily have a problem with.
of course you don't.

if you still think that trump is the friend to the lgbt community he claimed he would be in the campaign, then i think you're simply in denial and, again, seeing what you want to see.

alasdair
 
for somebody who insults others frequently and freely, he doesn't seem to be able to handle a bit of satire and mocking...
He insults people that insult him first. Easy fix, be respectful or one might get it back tenfold.

So is your stance that there has been zero positive developments in the NK situation?
Would you say the situation is worse than before Trump? (or same)
If better, what has improved?

I'm saying I don't believe immigrants illegally voting is a problem. Maybe it's happened a few times, but I think it's a talking point used as a tool to further an agenda.
It's happened more than you think and the agenda is national voter ID, which should have bipartisan support. Especially if the Democrats are super concerned about Russian election interference, so how could they NOT be for the ID to increase security? That's a real noggin-scratcher that one.

In any case Russia has a long history of wanting destabilize the West, particularly America.
I will agree with you that foreign election interference is a problem. But for the US to sit back and complain about it is actually disgusting. Honestly the only reason we're hearing about it is because Trump won. There wasn't a peep beforehand even though they knew what was going on - because they do it too! And to a far more extreme.

A little recap:

"The USA has in the past been an active opponent of democracy, directly aiding the overthrow of elected leaders in: Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Dominican Republic 1965, Chile 1973, and Nicaragua in the 1980s. The US also covertly backed the overthrow of legitimate or democratically-elected leaders in: Congo 1961, Brazil 1964 and Cyprus 1974. In the Dominican Republic and Nicaragua, the US reinstalled electoral democracy on its own terms, while in the cases of Iran, Guatemala and Chile, the regime changes led to extended periods of oppressive US-backed dictatorships. The US has supported multiple authoritarian regimes, often when said regimes were being opposed by democratically-promising elements. These include: Stroessner?s Paraguay, Argentina?s military dictatorship 1976-83, Nicaragua under the Somozas, Haiti under the Duvaliers, Salazar?s Portugal, Franco?s Spain, Greece?s 1967-74 dictatorship, brief dictatorships in Turkey, South Korea and Taiwan from the 1940s-1980s, Marco?s Philippines and Mobutu?s Congo/Zaire.

The US has also opposed undemocratic governments on behalf of other undemocratic governments, backing authoritarian anti-communist regimes against communist opponents (Korean and Indo-China wars), anti-Moscow communists (China, Ceau?escu?s Romania, Khmer Rouge in Cambodia) against pro-Moscow opponents, authoritarian nationalists against Islamists (Iran versus Iraq), and a semi-absolute monarchy against authoritarian nationalists (Kuwait against Iraq). The US currently supports the repressive monarchy of Saudi Arabia which is being threatened by domestic anti-Western Islamists. The US has also supported undemocratic governments against similarly undemocratic opposition, such as the financing of the Mujahedeen during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, and UNITA?s protracted insurgency in Angola
 
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