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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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If it wasn't obvious before, Trump has clearly lost his marbles. In addition to bringing up Pearl Harbor, he also likes to bring up "samurai culture" according to other reporting.

President Donald Trump reportedly told Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at the White House in June that he remembered Pearl Harbor and then ripped Abe for Japan's trade and economic policies. The conversation served as an unusual example of Trump lashing out at Abe, who has defended the president and served as his public ally, The Washington Post reported Tuesday. Recently, however, Trump's negative opinions of Japan's trade practices, as well as a disagreement between the pair regarding the president's tactics in dealing with North Korea, have caused a rift, according to the Post. "I remember Pearl Harbor," Trump reportedly told Abe as part of a tirade against the U.S. trade deficit with Japan. The president reportedly wanted better deals to help U.S. car and beef producers. Trump was referring to the Japanese attack on the Hawaiian base in 1941 that launched the U.S. into World War II. Although it's unclear what he actually meant by the remark, in the decades following the war, Japan has had a limited military and served as home to a number of U.S. bases. Only in recent years has Japan expanded its military capabilities.

Such tough language toward Abe has been uncommon for the president. "I've never heard him [trash]-talk Abe. And you can't say that about a lot of the world leaders," one unnamed U.S. official told the Post. Trump has criticized a number of world leaders and their economic policies while railing against what he has called unfair trade practices and the U.S.?s high number of trade deficits around the world.

Trump has met with Abe more times than he has any other world leader, including eight meetings and more than two dozen phone calls. The president has also twice hosted Abe and his contingency at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, most recently in April and while Trump was working on a summit with North Korea's Kim Jong Un. Despite their apparent closeness, Trump was described as having ignored Abe's advice on not ending military drills on the Korean Peninsula prior to June?s summit with Kim. And now even Abe's top advisers believe Trump is uncontrollable, even by Chief of Staff John Kelly, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis or national security adviser John Bolton, an unnamed source described as close to Abe told the Post.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-abe-pearl-harbor-remember-ripped-trade-1093230
 
he didn't know what he meant by that remark. that's what happens when you talk out your scrotum.

good news america. potus ninja status has been revoked indefinitely.

citizen's individual ninja levels have not been affected.
 
I think Ms. Stormy is struggling for some spotlight.


Honestly, that's a criticism you throw at someone in highschool. It's completely opinion based (who wants to prove out the facts on a he-said-she-said with him?), has absolutely no bearing on anything we expect from him (akin to claiming he is orange skinned...so what?), and is ignored by the person it's thrown at (what's to gain in trying to argue the point?) while the person hurling it has already lost everything (you slept with HIM?).

Pointless, IMO. Nothing for anyone beyond a few extended snickers.

Nice to see Newsweek taking the high road here. Quality info, would watch again 8)
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I think Ms. Stormy is struggling for some spotlight.


Honestly, that's a criticism you throw at someone in highschool. It's completely opinion based (who wants to prove out the facts on a he-said-she-said with him?), has absolutely no bearing on anything we expect from him (akin to claiming he is orange skinned...so what?), and is ignored by the person it's thrown at (what's to gain in trying to argue the point?) while the person hurling it has already lost everything (you slept with HIM?).

Pointless, IMO. Nothing for anyone beyond a few extended snickers.

Nice to see Newsweek taking the high road here. Quality info, would watch again 8)
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Totally agreed, this is low brow tabloid stuff IMO. It actually doesn't help Trump's opponents to throw this sort of stuff around, it adds some credence to the claims of bias that we hear.

I'm going to just merge this into the Trump thread.
 
he's still in office and breathing so no, no he hasn't.

having a few people do some good things in your name or doing what someone else tells you to in order to save your bacon and not get impeached, lynched or worse is not doing something good yourself; it's just manipulating circumstances to get what you want.

the office of the presidency of the united states of america is to represent the interests of the common people in government and to keep the other two branches in check for the welfare of said people. not manipulate the whole system to benefit yourself and giving people the bird as you walk out the door.

wanna start a "i love trump thread", your more than welcome to, just not in one that has already been started for the opposite purposes of said thread and of one that has a focus for a healthy stress relieving nature as well as sharing of ideas on what might be best for this country. you obviously know it's going to cause trouble and your lucky that people pity you instead of seeing you as an actual threat otherwise you wouldn't still have use of your cognitive abilities to manipulate your fingers into typing such drivel and disregard for your fellow citizens of this country and the world let alone be allowed to be a member here and speak your ignorance.

your a real piece of work and it's been a matter of a few days since you've been off temp ban. your already going full bore. i'm just going to ignore you like i do the rest of the trolls on the net and irl.

you have a nice day sir
 
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^Well, technically, JGrimez isn't American, nor is this thread dedicated to anti-Trump sentiment (Trump Discussion Thread).

That's aside from the point though. invegauser, if you don't enjoy JGrimez posts, report them if you feel they break any site rules, or ignore them if they don't. Let's not have any attacks here.

For the record, Trump has achieved nothing positive that I know of for months, if not his entire presidency.
 
invegauser said:
the office of the presidency of the united states of america is to represent the interests of the common people in government and to keep the other two branches in check for the welfare of said people. not manipulate the whole system to benefit yourself and giving people the bird as you walk out the door.
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Disagree somewhat. The office of the presidency is NOT to represent the interests of the common people in gov't. That's the role of the house and senate. I believe the President's role is to act in the best interest of the country, and the balance of branches works to align the needs of the people vs the needs of the country. All three branches are too keep eachother in check, so I agree there. But going back to before my lifetime, the office of the president has done things to manipulate situations for personal interest :\ Its not right, but its not new either.

invegauser said:
wanna start a "i love trump thread", your more than welcome to, just not in one that has already been started for the opposite purposes of said thread and of one that has a focus for a healthy stress relieving nature as well as sharing of ideas on what might be best for this country.
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Unpossible. It would only get merged back into this thread.

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invegauser said:
your a real piece of work and it's been a matter of a few days since you've been off temp ban. your already going full bore. i'm just going to ignore you like i do the rest of the trolls on the net and irl.
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Ignore function is a wonderful tool. Personally, I can't bring myself to use it on anyone. But it is highly recommended if there are certain persons you'd rather not see/hear.
 
I don't want a love Trump thread, just some rational discourse and analysis of his Presidency. Tiger Woods just said it we should respect the office.
If we look at the economy and jobs then he is representing the interests of the common people. His support among African Americans has doubled in the past year. WHY??
What is with the seething hatred, honestly? Why exactly does Trump threaten so many people? Do people literally think he is going to start some genocide??
 
@Cream Gravy: did not realize i was attacking, my apologies. not trying to insinuate it was anti-trump, back to the drawing board i go on communicating. not a citizen? really, learn something new everyday. thread is not by membership of being american alone and i respect those whose ideas or opinions do contribute to the topic, you never know what might come from listening to an "outsider". thank you for pointing all this out to me. i will take it as a learning experience.

@TheLoveBandit: i was definitely not paying attention to my own details, good call. president is a representation in the government of the common man in america, at least that was one of the roles of old. i do not believe i've had the pleasure of addressing you in any thread before (respect not flattery. i was raised with manners, not to brown nose) and don't wish to be tedious with what i know. you also seem like you got a pretty good head on your shoulders.

from what i understand in short: judiciary is there to enforce and interpret the laws. legislative is to discuss and implement upon laws and executive is a multifaceted position. all three are part of a system that involves checks and balances where any one branch can exercise that veto on the other two. as well as all 3 having the interests of good for the common citizen in mind. the fourth check and the actual power is in the hands of the people of this country. they ultimately can right the wrongs of what the system creates when it is abusing their power among other reasons i've discussed in previous posts.

i also am aware that there are federal laws and each state has it's own individual laws that are held separate but not above the federal laws. the paperwork of government is not immutable, is open to interpretation and severely under utilized in the lessons and understandings for future generations such as the ones in this country today.

Unpossible indeed. :D

apparently both Cream Gravy and TheLoveBanidt think it's best i heed their advice...


 
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JGrimez said:
I don't want a love Trump thread, just some rational discourse and analysis of his Presidency. Tiger Woods just said it we should respect the office.
If we look at the economy and jobs then he is representing the interests of the common people. His support among African Americans has doubled in the past year. WHY??
What is with the seething hatred, honestly? Why exactly does Trump threaten so many people? Do people literally think he is going to start some genocide??
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Tiger Woods? Getting advice on politics from him is perhaps the best laugh I've had in days. Thank you. That was a knee slapper. (no sarcasm)

Since the thread is about Trump's Presidency, you raise some good points. African American support has been growing. This is something I don't see liberals addressing - either as a fabrication (does that mean it is an irrefutable fact?), or to explain the 'why' behind it. Conservatives don't have to address it, they can just accept it and roll with it. But for all the anger on the left, I would expect some sort of response to his growing support with what has traditionally been a large segment of the Democratic party. Perhaps they don't wish to acknowledge that he is gaining popularity in this group, because it means they have to acknowledge they are losing support from this group?

The hatred also puzzles me a bit. I don't feel threatened by him, so I'm trying to understand what drives such an emotional reaction among so many folks. Particularly for the fact that when emotion takes over, reason recedes, in any situation. And this is really what I find interesting...the seething hatred is unlike anything I've seen before, but when peeled back for reason..??
 
invegauser said:
@Cream Gravy: did not realize i was attacking, my apologies. not trying to insinuate it was anti-trump, back to the drawing board i go on communicating. not a citizen? really, learn something new everyday. thread is not by membership of being american alone and i respect those whose ideas or opinions do contribute to the topic, you never know what might come from listening to an "outsider". thank you for pointing all this out to me. i will take it as a learning experience.
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Actually, this is HUGE (should I say YUGE? :p) for me. I have always been interested in how non-Americans view our country. We're pretty insulated and self centered when it comes to ... well, everything. We don't get much news or reflection from outside our own media. So I've always loved to hear how others view us and our activities (I mean, we are in the spotlight and the center of the universe, are we not? LOL). Seriously, though, I recall a discussion on BL at one point (over a decade ago) expressing the difference in perception between an American and a European based upon the environment each grows up in and is exposed to. Americans are VERY limited, IMO. So, I greatly appreciate others' opinions, and understanding how those opinions are reached.


invegauser said:
@TheLoveBandit: i was definitely not paying attention to my own details, good call. president is a representation in the government of the common man in america, at least that was one of the roles of old. i do not believe i've had the pleasure of addressing you in any thread before (respect not flattery. i was raised with manners, not to brown nose) and don't wish to be tedious with what i know. you also seem like you got a pretty good head on your shoulders.

from what i understand in short: judiciary is there to enforce and interpret the laws. legislative is to discuss and implement upon laws and executive is a multifaceted position. all three are part of a system that involves checks and balances where any one branch can exercise that veto on the other two. as well as all 3 having the interests of good for the common citizen in mind. the fourth check and the actual power is in the hands of the people of this country. they ultimately can right the wrongs of what the system creates when it is abusing their power among other reasons i've discussed in previous posts.

i also am aware that there are federal laws and each state has it's own individual laws that are held separate but not above the federal laws. the paperwork of government is not immutable, is open to interpretation and severely under utilized in the lessons and understandings for future generations such as the ones in this country today.
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Fair point taken. I overlooked that he was intended to be a 'common man' who returns to his life as a citizen once his term(s) are done. At least, that was the plan. Trump is the first I can recall since Reagan (famous actor) who actually had a career before he went for President that involved something other than politics. :\ And even Reagan was preceded by many career politicians, most of whom aimed for the Oval Office as the goal...personal achievement over serving the people.

Back to the three branches for a bit. House and Senate are the Legislative, in that they write the laws on behalf of their constituents' desires. They cannot enforce them, or apply them. The President, as the Executive branch, enforces the laws. This is why Attorney Generals report to him, he has authority over the military, and is not supposed to 'create laws' nor determine how to apply them. The Judicial branch evaluates cases as to how the laws are to be applied and interpreted. They cannot enforce nor create. With this check and balance, none should have complete control over what happens except in extreme circumstances such as war. In war, the President can take much more far reaching control than he would normally have, but to do so requires that congress declare the US at war (President cannot) and authorize the President to have this temporary power while necessary (he can't 'take' it). However, several of our recent presidents began bending the rules and writing 'executive orders' that acted essentially as laws, or interpretations of existing rules to the application as they desired = a stretching of their authority that may get grumbles, but became the norm.

The odd part to this is the so called 'fourth branch'. This would be our news media who were viewed as impartial, investigative, and the eyes and ears of the public watching to ensure none of the three traditional branches were corrupt or stretching their authority. Unfortunately, I know going back to at least the 70's major news outlets would present their take on a situation which would actually become a slant as opposed to 'presenting the facts for the public to make their own decision'. It has gotten worse in the past decade or so. I won't use the term 'militarized' but you find media outlets that present one side of things as reality and do a significant disservice to the American public by omitting or clouding facts in order to support 'their side'. Note, I'm not claiming either 'side' is at fault of this...I believe BOTH are, and we are left with no real outlet for an impartial reporting of reality. This feeds back to my interest in views from outside the US.

You are also correct that states have their own three branches, though the balance between state and federal laws is oddly applied. The way our country was created, the founders intended for the states to maintain independence and autonomous authority over matters as it effected their citizens, with the federal gov't there only to fill the gaps and bring cohesion on matters that would effect ALL states. Since then, the federal gov't has sought to actively oversee the states, rather than support them. I'll admit, I like seeing the states file their own laws in direct conflict with national policy on things like pot. It is something of a flexing of muscles long overdue, IMO.
 
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