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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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one thing I notice often with right wingers talking: dictatorship in russia is awesome, putin is a good guy, no matter how they oppress political opponents and kill journalists. It is the same where I live... the biggest rightwing party always talks about how they love democracy yet their mouths are firmly put around vladimirs cock. fucking hypocrites.

at the same time, authoritarians from other countries eg turkey are really bad. I wonder where this double standard comes from (actually I don't).

I guess fasciscm is okay as long as you can identify with the particular fascists in question.
 
Since when is the right on Russians side? And the left against them? Somewhere along the way, things became all screwed up.

I think it's cause some on the right fell into this state of blind love with trump. They think he's there hero and parrot anything he says. But he's not their hero. He's as bad for them as he is for everyone. And I think in the long run, there will be a great number of very disappointed people on the right who feel utterly betrayed by trump.

Serves em right though. That's what happens when you put fanaticism and heros and idols above the beliefs they're it's all supposed to be in service too.

Trump isn't in service to the right, or to America, or to any ideology or belief system at all really. He's in service to himself.

Something I find amusing though, it's my belief that trumps greatest most die hard fanatical supporters, the ones who I think will ultimately come to feel betrayed by him. Likely became his supporters in the first place because they have this pathetic self pitying belief system that society is fucking them over. The type of person who's white, male, fairly economically middle class, and who feels they are disadvantaged by all the same things that give them every advantage.

That's my take on it anyhow.
 
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I basically concur with your assessment, Jess.

It's necessary to think that Russia/Putin are good, if the guy you're following is sending the message that he's good. Otherwise, you'd have to face the idea that maybe you've been duped. So you reverse-engineer your understanding of history and recent events to make it fit the narrative you've chosen to stick to. Never mind that part of your narrative is fear and anger against commies and dictators and corruption.
 
Xorkoth said:
Germany buys from Russia because Russia has it and they're next door neighbors. yes, it supports them, but it's also crucial for Germany, so it's not the same as "our allies supporting them". It's more a matter of necessity.
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Crucial? No they could deal with our allies.
It's one of the main reasons for the Syria conflict, whoever controls Syria builds the pipeline to supply gas to western Europe. The two projected plans were US/Western backed line from Qatar or Russia/Syria from Iran, but Syria was key.

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since then, Russia has been reaching back towards some of them and trying to regain ground and succeeded in some cases.
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You have to be more specific than that. Because after the WWII the USA made a deal with the Soviets that there will be a buffer zone between western Europe and Russia.
Who reneged on that deal? Wasn't Russia. The West is now amassing thousands of NATO troops right up on their borders.
Russia is the aggressor? Imagine if Russian troops were situated along the Canadian and Mexico borders. Or even there being a Russian military base in either of these two states.
Hypocritical double standards.

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I'm just saying... you have such a huge problem with "uranium one", but if Russia isn't a dangerous, expansionist dictatorial regime, and is a potential ally, and is, as you seem to characterize it often, less dangerous than the US in recent times, why would you have a problem with us selling them uranium?
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Because we're still witnessing a nuclear arms race that is out of control. And it's the West that has been making the provocative and antagonist moves. Then when Russia moves to counter the balance, the Western media frames it as aggression.
Also Russia is allied with Iran and North Korea.
Also probably most importantly, the U1 deal didn't even allow Russia to move uranium as they did not have an export licence. So Mueller's FBI knew that shady Russians were committing crimes to get the uranium exported and Obama/Hillary still signed off on it. The evidence is damning it's quite infuriating how it is ignored.


Trump Baby Blimp in London Turns Out to Be HUGE FLOP
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/trump-baby-blimp-in-london-turns-out-to-be-huge-flop/

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Majority of Britons Support Trump Visit
https://truepundit.com/majority-of-britons-support-trump-visit/

In Polling Released Just Hours Before The U.s. President Is Due To Touch Down In London, 50 Per Cent Of Britons Support Donald J. Trump?s Uk Visit Going Ahead.
In contrast, only 37 percent said that it should not go ahead, with the remaining 13 percent saying ?don?t know?, according to figures collected between the 9th and 10th of July by polling firm YouGov.

However, while most of those polled still have negative personal views of the President (with 77 percent saying they had an unfavourable opinion of him), Britons? views of the visit were described as ?pragmatic?.

?Whilst he wouldn?t be Britain?s choice of US President (only 16% would have voted for him given the chance) a plurality think that the government should try to work with him (44%, vs 39% who think they shouldn?t),? youGov found.

?And the vast majority of those who think the government should be working with Donald Trump support the UK visit, regardless of their own views towards him.?-
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Captain.Heroin said:
This is a decent point; they are both vile human beings. I don't think I've ever agreed with you on anything before.
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I feel this is the first step towards global peace

So this video has been getting a bit of exposure in the mainstream (with many misleading hit-pieces).
A bit conspiratorial but it's well-produced and does well to explain the alternative narrative.

Q - The Plan To Save The World

 
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There are countless avenues for anyone to write their opinion pieces and include research or pov of ppl they are interested in , pretty impossible to have blunt timelined objective facts only, in fact why bother just being interested in that then expect any discussion about that anyway.

That trump baby was pretty fun, the crowd had fun, may as well have a laugh at the silliness of the world leaders. This one gets off on dramatics and would take it as a compliment so its all good.
 
^ I posted about Trump. And discussing of Trump. My post is on topic. I asked you what the problem was with the article. Do you have a response?
 
alasdairm said:
right swilow. it's presented as if it's some source of objective fact when it's just an opinion piece...

alasdair
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The article could have gone without the inflammatory comments but what it reported did happen. The balloon was expected to be huge and turned out to be very small.
 
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