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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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Trump says he is likely to support ending federal ban on marijuana

@jgrimez, you complain that we never praise trump for anything? well i praise him for this.

this is a great, bipartisan initiative. obama's inaction on marijuana disappointed me greatly - he talked about treating it like cigarettes or alcohol but his administration never championed the change i hoped it would.

alasdair

Terrible.

It'll convince some to vote for Trump even though he has no intention on ending the drug war.

Part of me thinks he's doing this just to personally piss off Jeff Sessions. I think Trump probably wanted marijuana to stay illegal until he realized the *ultimate way* to exact his revenge against Beauregard.

Agreed, if he ends the federal ban on marijuana I will give him credit where credit is due.

Why? Nothing will change. The states without MMJ laws will keep marijuana illegal.

If anything things will change for the worse; feds will try to soak up state MMJ tax $$$. And we know how awful they are with $$$ (20 trillion in debt).

It'll also give the feds an excellent point to pivot around and reverse policy in the soon-to-come future.

Things are going well. We don't need top-down change now, during a Trump administration.
 
i understood you were a big proponent of states' rights?

alasdair

Yeah, sure, especially if it comes to gun rights, etc.

Banning/prohibiting medicine is immoral. The right for patients to consult and follow through with treatment protocols doctors approve should be unilateral throughout the nation.

There's no good that came out of the war on drugs.

The feds then have to bail out states like Indiana that blew all their $$$ (no pensions, fighting the drug war etc.) because of this.

It wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to ban assault rifles (something I cringe at the notion of, but still believe states can have the right to pass these laws).
 
Furthermore, banning/prohibiting medicine contributes to the mental health crisis, and adds to the disease/burden load of a society, and that will flow across state lines.

This is a problem and I don't believe states should have the right to jump in a time machine to return to the dark ages regrading abortion, medicine, patient rights.
 
you complain that we never praise trump for anything? well i praise him for this.
That's nice. Wasn't long ago that y'all were saying that Trump was going to ban marijuana.

Does anyone give Trump credit for creating black jobs and thus lowering black unemployment? Nooo... :D
I remember when they said a Trump win would: sink stocks, destroy jobs, tank the economy, outlaw abortions, nuclear war

Yeah one of the things Trump is actually really good at is pissing off our allies.
If our "allies" are taking advantage of us then fuck them they're not true allies. USA first. Which doesn't mean wrecking the whole world for their resources but it does mean not entering into deals that are not going to be mutually beneficial.

Part of me thinks he's doing this just to personally piss off Jeff Sessions. I think Trump probably wanted marijuana to stay illegal until he realized the *ultimate way* to exact his revenge against Beauregard.
Or the ultimate way could be to fire him... which is more Trump's style. Why would Trump want to ban marijuana.

People project a lot onto Trump which is not based on factual reporting or any realistic events.
 
Cops follow the laws. Law change. Cops are not inherently anti-weed.
Banning weed also gives more power to the cartels and black market.
Legalizing it will reduce crime and increase tax revenue.
Smart business move.
 
Cops follow the laws. Law change. Cops are not inherently anti-weed.
Banning weed also gives more power to the cartels and black market.
Legalizing it will reduce crime and increase tax revenue.
Smart business move.

This is why I say trump supporters will be bitterly disappointed.
 
Trump is such a staunch Republican that I have a hard time he'll be alright letting the Blue states keep their marijuana.

It just doesn't fit in with any of his rhetoric.

He often will say and do crazy things then the Republicans get to him and grovel for him to gain an ounce of sense, and then he flip flops.

Wait for the other shoe to drop on this one, guys.
 
I agree. People always point to Trump's brother being an alcoholic. Not exactly the thing that translates into sympathy for drug users. Most people don't equate alcohol and "drugs".

Plus I get the feeling Trump despises drug users (except coke in the 80s). Especially poor ones. :\

The only thing I will mention is that cannabis is v profitable for certain states. They don't want to lose a huge tax base. When Sessions was pushing some fairly extreme enforcement ideas, he was shut down by some Senators.
 
The G7 summit was a disaster.

Consider that even chief economic adviser Larry Kudlow formerly of horrible financial cable tv analysis thinks US aluminum and steel tariffs are a bad idea. One shudders to think.

And guess who wants Russia to make G7 into G8?

[video]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-makes-early-g-7-exit-after-tense-trade-disputes[/video]
 
It can still be the G7 - Russia will just replace the US because as it stands, they (US) serve no purpose there.
 
It can still be the G7 - Russia will just replace the US because as it stands, they (US) serve no purpose there.

After that summit, maybe just G6?

Unfortunately, a small minority of Trump's staff support tariffs and have convinced Trump to do so as well.

The idea that Trump touts is that there is always a winner and a loser in trade agreements (and everything else) is belied by the continued existence and evolution of trade from a simple trade such as one's wheat for a neighbor's chickens to international, multilateral agreements.

If trade wasn't beneficial to involved parties, they wouldn't be involved.

I agree that the leader of a country should work for the benefit of its citizens. I don't believe doing that excludes negotiating trade agreements that are beneficial to for all parties involved.

Or cultivating allies.
 
Yeah, sure, especially if it comes to gun rights, etc.

Banning/prohibiting medicine is immoral. The right for patients to consult and follow through with treatment protocols doctors approve should be unilateral throughout the nation.

There's no good that came out of the war on drugs.
well i agree with you but, if you are a big supporter of state's rights, you're going to have to suck it up sometimes when your state does something with which you disagree...

hypothetical: what would you think if your state banned guns? would you then switch your position to the 2nd amendment and champion federal law over state's rights?

alasdair
 
To be fair Trump wants a really good deal in terms of NAFTA, and overall trade. He's pissed as a businessman that globalization, and trading between nations, there really isnt an upperhand. I don't think he understands commodities at all. If you apply rational sense to trade, why would Canada buy milk from the US at all? A tariff makes sense. At least you can export and sell excess that cant be sold domestically.

It really seems like we've hit a Brexit, which is really bad.
 
well i agree with you but, if you are a big supporter of state's rights, you're going to have to suck it up sometimes when your state does something with which you disagree...

I am. I didn't up and move to OR or WA because a Riverside Co. judge overturned our right to die laws. I have faith the circuit (? perhaps appeals?) courts will reverse the decision.

It rubbed me the wrong way but I will wait.
 
hypothetical: what would you think if your state banned guns? would you then switch your position to the 2nd amendment and champion federal law over state's rights?

alasdair

I'm pretty much expecting a total gun ban in this state any day now.

I'm doing my part by not voting for Feinstein. Doesn't matter, she'll win her seat back again. Grandma buzz kill: no guns, no pot. :|

p.s. was going to edit this into 1st post but am getting logged out every other minute??

So to answer your question most directly; I would not reverse my belief in states rights. I would just become bitter and more disappointed in humanity, and society in general, that we decided to move backwards on civil rights. Probably exactly how I'd feel if gay marriage went away (an equal non-issue to me).
 
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