Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
I'm quite glad we pulled out of the Iran deal. Still not a fan of Trump's, especially on his huge flip-flop regarding rx drug prices today.
The 2018 Trump Presidency thread
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Likewise.
How many of the people saying "germany is a mess" have been there recently?
Given the american media's interest in "world news" (practically non-existent) i wonder where these ideas come from.
I've got friends in germany who fucking love it. In contrast, a lot of my friends in america seem frightened of the political "mess" in that country.
Breaking the iran deal is one of the more foolish things trump has done, because it shows the USA for what it is - a "superpower" with no integrity, that cannot be trusted.
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Captain.Heroin
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our federal gov't has over 20 trillion in debt, our nation has over 70 trillion in debt, and it costs a lot to take in refugees. source: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
more troubling, 95.785 million "not in workforce" and our gov't thinks we're "winning unemployment as it's at 4%" = massive Trump lie. US -> China trade deficit is less than half of our total US -> world deficit (Trump lies about this one constantly).
little do most of you all know, we're still taking in Syrian refugees (albeit few). Trump did not get his way on this. He will probably lie on point and say we banned new Syrian refugees; this isn't true.
Our policy is unbalanced as we're ignoring many humanitarian needs of Central America. We just expect them to get here illegally and then work for nothing.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
That's got to change.
more troubling, 95.785 million "not in workforce" and our gov't thinks we're "winning unemployment as it's at 4%" = massive Trump lie. US -> China trade deficit is less than half of our total US -> world deficit (Trump lies about this one constantly).
little do most of you all know, we're still taking in Syrian refugees (albeit few). Trump did not get his way on this. He will probably lie on point and say we banned new Syrian refugees; this isn't true.
Our policy is unbalanced as we're ignoring many humanitarian needs of Central America. We just expect them to get here illegally and then work for nothing.
That's got to change.Richest country in the world that overthrows governments, sells arms to "rebels" and destabilises entire regions (libya, iraq, etc etc) has a responsibility to help people fleeing bloodshed, starvation and war.
Not just a moral responsibility, but a legal one too
Not just a moral responsibility, but a legal one too
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
We've taken in about 115,000 Iraqi refugees. They were legitimate victims of Hussein and his campaign of terror and I'm glad we brought them in.
From an extreme liberal perspective, we've had people in the US leave and consider themselves political refugees because of Trump, his policies, and all the cronies he's invited aboard that are worse than he is. How do you feel about them? What country should take them in?
The Libyan Civil War was not entirely our making. We weren't a major player. I'm glad it happened. Libya wasn't an awful country, had decent education for their people. They're smart enough to do much better for themselves.
From an extreme liberal perspective, we've had people in the US leave and consider themselves political refugees because of Trump, his policies, and all the cronies he's invited aboard that are worse than he is. How do you feel about them? What country should take them in?
The Libyan Civil War was not entirely our making. We weren't a major player. I'm glad it happened. Libya wasn't an awful country, had decent education for their people. They're smart enough to do much better for themselves.
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
Richest country in the world that overthrows governments, sells arms to "rebels" and destabilises entire regions (libya, iraq, etc etc) has a responsibility to help people fleeing bloodshed, starvation and war.
Not just a moral responsibility, but a legal one too
Really not sure Australians should be judging other countries for how they handle refugees.
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
^ Thats true. The off shore detention centers get press. However we take refugees and immigrants every year just through channels that are not headline grabbing. No you cant just turn up in a boat or overstay visas. People can apply through refugee centres all over the world. My work employs fefugees and assulum seekers and a lot from Iran, Iraq, Somalia and Ethiopia. African immigrants arrive every year. I dont know how but they are taken in and at a rate controlled by the government.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
That's absurd, and you know that's different from the kind of refugees we're talking about. We're talking about people fleeing war-torn regions, starvation, roaming bands of warlords, violent cartels.
I mean I have no problem with US citizens deciding to move elsewhere, if someone wants to take them. But they're not political refugees, they're free people who live in a relatively stable first-world country who decided they want to go somewhere else because they're afraid of where we're headed. I can sympathize. But if a person like that calls themselves a refugee... well, can I just say "first world problems"?
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
We left Australia coz of Whitlam and cam back after he got the sack. I know SJ likes Whitlam but my dad could beat up his dad so nerrr.
Anyone can apply to migrate to Aus or UK but it costs a lot of money to move permanently so its better to just stay there and vote him out.
Anyone can apply to migrate to Aus or UK but it costs a lot of money to move permanently so its better to just stay there and vote him out.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
The only thing that annoys me is that 90% of the folks threatening to leave never actually left. It’s not surprising these folks have zero resolve and can’t stick to their word, but it sucks for the common man like myself when they don’t follow through.
Roger&Me
Bluelighter
It's very hard to leave this country. If you leave without renouncing your citizenship, you'll owe the United States income tax every year despite the fact that you don't even live in the country or participate in its economy. And if you do renounce your citizenship, IRS will consider all your assets to be sold at their fair market value and it will demand a 40% exit tax on your entire net worth.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Wow I didn't know that, that's intense.
I don't really see how it sucks for you/the common man, but I do agree it's annoying. Basically they were just being dramatic.
Roger&Me
Bluelighter
America is like Hotel California, you can check out any time you like but you can never leave.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Only if you’re a rich prick. If you only make 100k or less you can generally make it out without paying anything bc the foreign Earned Income Exclusion and Foreign Housing Deduction can reduce the amount of taxes you owes drastically. The rules in place make a lot of sense imho
Roger&Me
Bluelighter
Yes, of course, you're a genius. How could I not have arrived at that very same conclusion? Oh, maybe it's because taking those deductions is risky and IRS might challenge that shit, and people who make less than 100K can't afford to hire a team of tax attorneys to defend themselves.
Roger&Me
Bluelighter
I swear you're like a cancer patient who's treating himself by looking up shit on WebMD.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Not true those laws are in place to stop rich folks from taking advantage. I literally know people that live abroad and do this to not owe taxes here, that’s the only reason I knew this tbh.
FYI this isn’t the lounge, those comments would catch a right leaning poster an infraction or warning at the least.
Roger&Me
Bluelighter
"yo dawg hold my beer while i take this aggressive tax position I can't afford to defend."
maybe afterward you can borrow money from a loan shark and gamble it at the racetrack
maybe afterward you can borrow money from a loan shark and gamble it at the racetrack
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Idk what to tell you rog they have lived with their spouse in England for a decade, and probably make 65k a year maybe a bit more. Just because you went to law school doesn’t mean you know the ins and out of every single thing, clearly. The IRS likely have bigger fish to fry, the law wasn’t likely put in place to penalize the common man for not living in their country of origin, though I can appreciate the apathy.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Why? A non-white family in the US might face racial discrimination, hate crimes, etc. Perhaps even religious persecution.
This is a reason why people become refugees...
It'd be really awesome for all the smarter, richer people to just move away so you can be king of a dirt hill, huh?
That assumes you plan on making legitimate income, or have assets of any value to begin with.
After the housing crisis, I doubt this applies to many people in the US.
I was aware of it. Look at people with dual citizenship involving the US, etc.
Oh, the IRS is a scam? I'm sorry, did I hear you advocating to get rid of the IRS?
Nope. Live with it. Deal with it. It's your broken system you support. Not I.
You all deserve it for voting and believing in the failed system, and politicians that support all the scams.
LOL nope. Trump will always get away without paying a dime.
The laws are there to punish the lower-income Americans. All personal income tax laws do this.
Perhaps we're reaching some truth behind personal income tax and the IRS being a big ponzi scheme...
Anyone woke yet?
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