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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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the way people debate politics sincerely is not to pretend they are clueless. you clearly have an opinion - why not explain your position?

you always play dumb and ask people to explain really basic shit, which does the exact opposite of nurturing discussion.
 
Trump issues order to ban most transgender troops from military service:

"The White House says retaining troops with a history of diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" - those who may require substantial medical treatment - "presents considerable risk to military effectiveness and lethality"
 
Of course I presume this is his idea of the subject, meaning that what he thinks corresponds to what the reality is. In his head, that's always going to be like that. He's so toxic at times. Getting worse by the day IMO.
 
What makes him so toxic? He is an old man, and sometimes says the wrong things (I can identity with this), but he means well I believe.

Although I wanted to throw up today when he did not veto that horrible spending bill.
 
Everyone knows the type of parent that thinks their kid can do no wrong.

There is a strikingly familiar attitude with Trump supporters and their baby Trump.

Was the pregnancy really traumatic for you guys or what?
 
^ I think Ann Coulter just called for his impeachment, so that stuff about his blind devoted followers is nonsense. If he messes us bad enough he's going to hear about it from his voters.
 
She did not. She said he would be impeached if he supported another spending bill like the one he just passed. Not quite the same thing.

And no, it's not insane. Trump has a great many blind devoted followers. Those followers just aren't and never have been synonymous with the right. Finding right aligned people who've opposed trump has never been hard and it disproves nothing.

Frankly I think trump will indeed leave his followers bitterly disappointed and I greatly look forward to it. It's a lot like with Obama, what you can promise and what's reality are very different things.

Much as I hate to compare the two. Obama may have been far from perfect but at least he was a real president. Bush was a real president. Trump on the other hand is that big child who keeps bullying the other kids who's mother keeps making excuses for. He's Eric Cartman basically.

But anyway, point is trump can't do a lot of what he promised, so in the long run he will come off looking like just another lying politician.
 
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JessFR said:
Much as I hate to compare the two. Obama may have been far from perfect but at least he was a real president. Bush was a real president. Trump on the other hand is that big child who keeps bullying the other kids who's mother keeps making excuses for. He's Eric Cartman basically.
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Bush was a real president but Trump isn't? What does that even mean? Trump won the election so he is a real president. Wasn't there a solid argument for Gore actually winning amidst voting controversies? Bush could barely string 2 sentences together, and he has the blood of a million+ iraqis on his hands. Not to mention the afghans and thousands of US soldiers. I find it really hard to identify what you base being a good president on. What did Bush and Obama even achieve before they became president? Bush nothing, C+ cokehead who was selected by the family dynasty. Obama was a lawyer. At least Trump has achieved something remarkable creating a business empire. You may dislike his personality but no lucky idiot can do that, even if you do inherit some money. Bully? Yes maybe but I've only seen him bully people that pick fights with him.

JessFR said:
But anyway, point is trump can't do a lot of what he promised, so in the long run he will come off looking like just another lying politician.
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He's actually looking good so far. 2 million+ jobs created, stock market/consumer confidence high, record low unemployment, drops in illegal immigration numbers, repealed bad trade deals, no new wars, calmed down rocket man etc. That's just after a year. This recent budget looks very average if not terrible but we'll see what happens. I'm actually really surprised the Dems didn't take that DACA deal. That was a pretty smart move on his part, he showed that the Dems don't actually care that much about the issue. If he stays healthy I see him getting a lot done. His ego will desire to be known as the greatest president of all time. Which is actually possible. Who would've thought Donald Trump?
 
Where's the wall? Why isn't Hillary Clinton locked up yet? As I recall those two points came up a lot more frequently than more jobs or other more sensible rhetoric.

What makes a real president? One who doesn't name call like a child would be a nice start. A real president is being presidential. Acting like a leader.

Trump acts like a whiney little bitch.

"this is after just one year" is kinda my point. It happens with every new president. The die hard supporters cry "there's still time" all the way until there's absolutely no time left. Then they start realizing it was all empty promises.
 
but you're just ignoring the achievements so far.
I do think the wall will be built and I do think Hillary will be indicted and jailed -there are rumors an incriminating video will drop soon.
But after one year with all the swampiness, I am surprised at what's been done.
Also illegal immigration is way down which is really the end goal of the wall.

w01fg4ng said:
His ego will desire to be known as the greatest president of all time. Which is actually possible.
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Yeah that super sounds like blind devotion..
Anything is possible at this point.
 
JGrimez said:
but you're just ignoring the achievements so far.
I do think the wall will be built and I do think Hillary will be indicted and jailed -there are rumors an incriminating video will drop soon.
But after one year with all the swampiness, I am surprised at what's been done.
Also illegal immigration is way down which is really the end goal of the wall.


Yeah that super sounds like blind devotion..
Anything is possible at this point.
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I don't care about his achievements. I hate the guy as a person and I doubt there's anything he will do to change that cause it's his whole personality I detest.

But arguing this from your standpoint, you argued it's not blind devotion. Changing the goals to fit the outcome rather than measuring the outcome according to the original goals is exactly what you do when it's blind devotion. And the goals I remember were the stupid wall, and that he'd lock Clinton up. That last one is one of the many reasons I hate Trump cause only a dictator says they'll make sure someone's locked up before there's even a trial. Doesnt matter who it is. It's not his call. That's why it's called President and not king.
 
JessFR said:
I don't care about his achievements. I hate the guy as a person and I doubt there's anything he will do to change that cause it's his whole personality I detest.
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This is useless identity politics. I 'liked' Obama and his suave demeanor, he is still evil based on his actions.
I don't care if my boss at work is a big meanie, as long as the company expands and I get paid on time. Actions are what matter, personality is an unhelpful thing to focus on.


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But arguing this from your standpoint, you argued it's not blind devotion. Changing the goals....And the goals I remember were the stupid wall, and that he'd lock Clinton up.
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Yes exactly, but it wasn't "after one year". He still plans to build the wall, if he said "sorry changed my mind no wall" and people still wanted to lick his shoe then that is blind devotion. So far he has fulfilled some campaign promises, more than the average politician. And the recent omnibus contained a big increase in military spending. He may use military engineers to get the wall built.

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And the goals I remember were the stupid wall, and that he'd lock Clinton up. That last one is one of the many reasons I hate Trump cause only a dictator says they'll make sure someone's locked up before there's even a trial. Doesnt matter who it is. It's not his call. That's why it's called President and not king.
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Yeah he said "you'd be in jail" which mean she would have gone through a trial (and which she will and she will be found guilty coz it's more obvious than OJ). The reason why people know that she can be locked up is because they found direct evidence of her committing crimes that would have landed you or myself or anyone else in prison for a very long time. Politicians should not be able to get away with crimes, don't care how powerful they are (you'd agree with this if Trump got caught being loose with classfied docs)

And if you're concerned about a president just being able to detain anyone they want without charge for an indefinite period - you can thank Obama for giving Trump that power. Actions.
 
OK man, you keep the faith going in that wall. Personally I think it's very unlikely to ever happen.

And if I don't need proof to hate the guy as a person. I should have proof if I'm explaining why he's a crap president. Though I think it's pretty self evident. But yes if I were saying how he's a shit president I'd wanna say more than the guys an asshole. But I tend to think anyone with eyes can see why he's a shit president so I see no point in trying to prove it. I'm not interested in proving that he's a bad president. If you disagree, that's fine. But it's entirely up to me if I wanna hate the guy for his personality. I don't need any better reason for that.

And the problem is trump seemed like he was saying he'd make sure she's locked up. That's not supposed to be within his power. That he thinks of it like that at all is not a good sign for how he sees the presidency. Like when he called it "his" military instead of our military.

And just for the record, unconstitutional and over reaching power is in fact one of the several things I disliked about Obama presidency. So indeed I will thank him for that cause I kinda agree there. But I don't have to like or agree with Obama cause I hate Trump.

Saying "the last guy did bad shit too" doesn't excuse the next guy doing that and worse.
 
The fact that his white house and marriage is in shambles says a lot about how well he could manage an entire country.

Anything good going on in the economy was already on that upward trajectory before he took office, not sure why people keep giving him credit for it.
 
Well. To be fair that's always how political positions work. The credit is assigned to whomevers in charge when the results come to fruition. Every other aspect is ignored. It's bullshit but that's the way it is. Hardly anything unique to Trump.

For what it's worth it tends to apply both ways around. If something bad happens which is the last guys fault, the person there now gets the blame.

What can I say, people are dumb.
 
Morninggloryseed said:
What makes him so toxic? He is an old man, and sometimes says the wrong things (I can identity with this), but he means well I believe.

Although I wanted to throw up today when he did not veto that horrible spending bill.
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Oh please. He's spiteful and nasty. He incites violence at his rallies, and is openly racist, openly sexist and transphobic.

You might be cool with that, but claiming trump "means well" is patently absurd.
 
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