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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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tathra said:
authoritarianism, elitism, bigotry, xenophobia, and entitlement.
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5 Key Psychological Traits All Trump Supporters Appear to Share

Nice example of the Left's inability or refusal to understand their political opponents.

LucidSDreamr said:
It was a combination of trumps hatred towards minorities (you can't argue that most people are in fact racist and that this really motivated his base) and HIllary cheating in the primary and being a cunt-bin of lies and scandal.
You're smoking crack if you deny racism is rampant
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Racism!! Surprised people are still claiming this, evidence shows it's false.
Trump received more minority votes than the last GOP candidate so not racism.
A substantial amount of people that voted for (and were forsaken by) Obama TWICE voted for Trump. Obama did not turn these people racist, that is ridiculous.
Older people (arguably wiser) voted for Trump.
Majority in the middle-class making upwards of $50K (arguably smarter) voted for Trump.
Trump not only smashed the rural vote he won the suburbs too.
And Hillary has done a TON of racist shit herself.

JessFR said:
I don't think most Trump voters are white supremacists. I think most Trump voters are stupid.
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channeling Ana Kasparian..
I'm pretty sure that Trump won the vote of university-educated women.
 
You got a source for that? I mean it doesn't mean much either way. Neither attending college nor being female inherently makes you not a dumbass let alone prevent you making dumbass choices. But I'd still be curious of its even true.
 
Most of the voters I know personally backed Trump around here (they're all male). I only lost respect for about half of them for it. I try not to judge people outright solely based on who they voted for. If they hated me simply for voting Clinton I'd be pretty disappointed. Some of the most interesting people I know voted for him. I think they're wrong, but I understand when they explain why they voted as such.

And Grimez, do you know any university-educated women? I know many, and I haven't met a single one who voted Trump. And I'm talking about Deep Southern women. I saw some old bats outside the polling place waving women for Trump signs, but they were old, sad looking people who obviously hated life and other younger women and wanted to inflict some sort of retribution on them for not being sad sacks like them or something...
 
JessFR said:
You got a source for that?
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Apologies I think I'm mistaken
Among college-educated whites, 45% voted for Clinton ? 39% of men and 51% of women (the only white demographic represented in the poll where the former secretary of state came out on top). But 54% of male college graduates voted for Trump, as did 45% of female college graduates.
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So 45% of white female graduates. I can't find the statistic for female graduates of all races. But the educated demographic and his relative success with minorities is noteworthy.

Cream Gravy? said:
And Grimez, do you know any university-educated women? I know many, and I haven't met a single one who voted Trump. And I'm talking about Deep Southern women. I saw some old bats outside the polling place waving women for Trump signs, but they were old, sad looking people who obviously hated life and other younger women and wanted to inflict some sort of retribution on them for not being sad sacks like them or something...
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I know some, and even some that detest Trump are petrified of Clinton
I feel that college-educated women who support Trump may be savvy enough not to publicly discuss it, and after a civil discussion I am generally able to sway their opinion. Most of what people have been told about Trump isn't really true.

I found this interesting:
12 Reasons an Educated, Iranian-American Woman Supports Donald Trump for President
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Soheyla Kovach said:
1) Hillary Clinton would be a disaster for America.
2) There is so much smoke around the Clinton Foundation..
3) If Bernie Sanders gets the Democratic nomination because Hillary is indicted..
4) I've seen what even post-socialistic eastern European nations look like first hand, because I went to university in Europe.
5) I'd vote for either of the remaining three Republicans over either of the two Democrats.
6) You are sometimes as defined by those who oppose you as by those who support you, and more to the point, you can be understood for the reasons why they oppose or support you.
7) Mr. Trump is confident, which successful people often are, and at times a little too much so, which is likely why he hadn't studied the details on issues like his professional political rivals have.
8) As someone who has played the modern game of American politics, by giving money to both sides to get what he wants, Mr. Trump is well positioned to expose the current system for the corruptions that have resulted from ignoring the proper Constitutional limits that the federal government is supposed to practice.
9) Mr. Trump believes in peace though strength.
10) As an educated business woman, I know that lower taxes, fewer and more common sense regulations... would all be good for business.
11) DemoRinoCrats - the political class that can profit no matter who is in office or power in Washington - those people fear Donald Trump.
12) No candidate is perfect, and neither is Donald Trump.
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alasdairm said:
this seems to be a common 'defense' when all it does is prove the point :\

alasdair
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Yeah it proves the point that some people are racist. There's not much we can do about that except for educate and dispel or embrace stereotypes. It's not just one side there's probably a lot of racist black people that voted D. If we want to create less racist people than we we need to focus less on identity politics all that does is reinforce divisions in people's minds. Enough with affirmative action diversity programs and just treat everyone equally. I've spoken to a lot of people and I honestly think that most people are not racist. Calling all Trump supporters racist also achieves nothing. Being tough on illegals and terrorists isn't racist.
 
I wonder how many women who voted for Trump voted for him more because they hated Clinton. It would explain why his support among female voters has dropped so much since the election. If it were only that high to start with because they just refused to vote for Clinton. I could certainly empathize with that. Even as much as I hate him I really hate her too.

From googling it, it sounds like college educated women have always been substantially less likely to favor trump over Clinton than non college educated women. As I said before a college education doesn't actually mean you're intelligent, but it is correlated. But then again it is a complicated comparison. Socioeconomic status playing a roll too.

I think that Clinton is so widely disliked probably makes it harder to separate how many people actually like trump vs how many hate Clinton in any particular group that preferred trump.

I also wonder how many people like that simply wouldn't vote for Clinton because they thought trump wasn't gonna win anyway. Man was that ever a mistake.

This is why having only 2 real choices sucks. Having to choose between Clinton and Trump. It's like choosing between being being burned to death or thrown in a giant meat grinder.
 
No I don't see how you interpreted that from my comment. i was saying that Clinton is the actual racist so there's double standards when it comes to accusatioans and evidnece.
Would you agree that black supremacist racists would have mostly voted for Clinton?
 
Indeed. I'm a little sick of the "but Clinton did x" response. Nothing that Clinton has or hasn't done makes anything trump does OK or not OK. At best you can try and argue that trumps version of the same behavior isn't as bad so he's still the lesser of the two evils. But it still doesn't make it right and still doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized and called out over it. The elections over. Clinton lost and it no longer matters what she's done.
 
tathra said:
what does that have to do with anything? this is the trump thread. hillary lost, get over it already.
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Because people are crying racism and claiming that ALL racists voted for Trump.
Trump seems to be synonymous with racism which I cannot understand.


JessFR said:
Indeed. I'm a little sick of the "but Clinton did x" response. Nothing that Clinton has or hasn't done makes anything trump does OK or not OK. At best you can try and argue that trumps version of the same behavior isn't as bad so he's still the lesser of the two evils. But it still doesn't make it right and still doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized and called out over it. The elections over. Clinton lost and it no longer matters what she's done.
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Didn't mention Clinton's actions I referred to racist black supremacists, which do exist, and I'm gonna guess that most if not all of them voted for Clinton. There was so much more to the recent election than "racism" I find it strange that this is still a central point for some people. It's been disproved. We should be discussing the relevant reasons of why he was elected.
 
I think he was elected for two reasons, the lesser of the two was he provided a voice for a lot of hateful bigoted individuals. But the primary reason is he channeled the feelings of a lot of people of low socioeconomic status who felt screwed by the system and their leaders. Who would be particularly likely to see Hillary Clinton as more of the same.

For what it's worth, I agree that it wasn't just racism or even mostly racism. But the bigots and racists and haters, while a small proportion of his voters, are likely the loudest and most devoted and may have been the small boost needed to get him to victory. But it's certainly not fair to say it's all their fault he was elected. I think it was mostly fairly ordinary people who he fooled into believing he would bring about change to their benefit.
 
If trump fans distanced themselves from (or even acknowledged) his blatant racism - there might not be such a lingering question of their relationship to it.

But frankly, with all the denials and the "whataboutism", it seems fair to assume they support the racist scapegoating trump campaigned on.

Presumably that's why so many trump folks are so disingenuous about their support for him.

I'd love to be proven wrong, and see some trumpers actually discuss the racist shit he says honestly and openly. But that's not really the sort of behaviour we've come to expect from the contemporary far right, is it?
 
JessFR said:
But the primary reason is he channeled the feelings of a lot of people of low socioeconomic status who felt screwed by the system and their leaders. Who would be particularly likely to see Hillary Clinton as more of the same.
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But Clinton won the lower socioeconomic vote. Trump won the majority of people making $50K and up. I don't want to say that richer people are more intelligent than poorer people but there is some truth to this.

tathra said:
I'm seeing a common thread here where conservatives seem to universally interpret people's words as anything other than what they actually said.
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OK but why group all conservatives together? Also unproductive. What about the massive amount of people that voted for Obama twice and then Trump? They're not conservatives they're just people who see Trump as a successful businessman who wants to improve the economy - and is doing so now. Party lines are being eroded, it's come to a point where people are desperate to save their country. Trump (appears to) give a damn.

spacejunk said:
I'd love to be proven wrong, and see some trumpers actually discuss the racist shit he says honestly and openly. But that's not really the sort of behaviour we've come to expect from the contemporary far right, is it?
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Being strict on illegal immigration and terrorism is not racism. Criminals have backgrounds of all races, I don't understand where you're getting all this from.
I'm sick of comparing to Clinton as well, but would you want Clinton supporters to discuss the racist shit she says? Don't think so. Let's move on from the incorrect assumptions of racism, shall we? It's been a year and Trump has not said anything racist and most importantly has not implemented any racist policies. There is no institutional racism in the USA, and there are a lot of other more important factors at play here.
 
I don't understand where you're getting all this from.
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Really?

You "don't understand" how trump canpaigned on racist bullshit?

Sorry, but you're bullshitting me.
That is what i'm talking about when i say trumpists are disingenuous.
Really, i think you're just a bunch of bigots, and it's a waste of time talking to you.


I also call bullshit on trump fans calling themselves "conservatives". There is nothing conservative about his kleptocratic administration. "Fascist" is a more appropriate word.
 
Cool, we're living in a radically authoritarian nationalist country. All thanks to Trump.

Isn't that swell.

I didn't think I'd live to see the day that America would become Fascist, but here we are...
 
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