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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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oh, the hypocrisy is still there - look at this sentence;

JessFR said:
Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for having an affair, he was impeached because he was caught lying under oath in an official investigation.
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it's true (and i'lm not calling jess a hypocrite here) but it just makes me wonder - has trump lied under oath yet?

i mean - has he spoken under oath (since being president, or otherwise)?
because i don't want to make clinton out to be somehow innocent here, but the things he was demonised for by arch conservatives are kinda pathetic when compared to trump.

not only is he a philanderer and a liar, but trump's way of 'womanising' (i hate that term) is not some indiscretion that can be explained by mutual attraction or a momentary lapse in judgement; he's more of a wealthy john, throwing his money around to get women to sleep with him.
more specifically, porn star women.

i don't mean to judge him personally for that or anything else - i don't give a damn who people fuck, so long as it's all consensual and nobody gets harmed.
but given the hardline fundamentalist christian values many members of the GOP tout public ally, none seem overly phased by trump's 'sinful' ways or his associations with a whole bunch of really sleazy shit.

i guess sometimes power transcends faith and, y'know - integrity :|
 
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Xorkoth said:
You're right, sorry. Still, the Republicans made a HUGE deal about it morally. I guess my goal was to point out the hypocrisy.
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They did, and that's true.

Though, I do wonder how most Republicans truly feel about trump. I wonder how many of them really dislike trump but for political reasons have to keep up the act of pretending there's no problem.

I mean, Trump really doesn't strike me as someone the wholesome family Christian values type people would have must respect for.

In fact, I'd never really realized this until now. But it occurs to me. Trump is probably an atheist. He can't ever say it and especially not on a republican ticket. But for all intents and purposes he's probably one of the most clearly atheist presidents in history. He couldn't even give a favorite Bible quote and thought 2 Corinthians was pronounced "two Corinthians" aloud.

He only become devoutly Christian for political reasons and it's one of the most transparent examples of pretend religious beliefs ive ever seen in a politician.

Trump is a republican in as much as he had to pick a side and it was the side most aligned with trumps real side. Which is of course himself. So I'd expect many real Republicans to have a lot of issues with him even if they can't express them for fear of political enemies jumping on it.
 
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Yeah he ran as a Republican opportunistically, the same way he claims to be a Christian now.

Trump said:
Yes, I am a great Christian, I really am
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...I'm the best Christian you've ever met. No one does Christian better than me.

It boggles my mind that conservative family-values people support this guy. Well, actually it's because he's gotten it to where any time anything negative gets reported about him, his followers yell "FAKE NEWS" and ignore it.
 
haha, jess and i were writing those posts at the same time, and make many of the same points using different language.

i doubt anyone witht this problem;

So I'd expect many real Republicans to have a lot of issues with him even if they can't express them for fear of political enemies jumping on it.
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has credibility much in the first place.
i mean, if someone can't break ranks to criticise a man like trump, i daresay they're a lost cause. his politics and vulgarity aside, his refusal to engage with the ceremonial aspects of presidency - and observe convention - offends a lot of politicians.
it must be putting a massive strain on the GOP having things like government shutdowns happening when they control congress and (apparently) the president is on their side...

i don't feel the slightest bit of pity for them, but i do feel bad for all of the non-politician government workers that have to deal with this stuff day-in-day out.
across a range of departments, federal employees fear having their work and undermined, their departments de-funded, ignored or shut down altogether - if it hasn't happened already.

i know a guy who has been a devoted employee for uncle sam for decades, who has always been non-partisan and apolitical - even in private discussions - and supported (at least in conversation) the government of the day, and its president.

but under trump, however, he's looking to change careers, because he finds it untenable.
he had always planned to see out his working days in this job, and has reached a pretty high level in the hierarchy - but working under trump, and his cabinet of shady appointees is just too much. lots of his co-workers have already split, and his whole department is in a shambles.
i can only imagine that it's the tip of the iceberg, as far worker dissatisfaction goes.

trump hasn't achieved very much as a president, unless you include his success at creating chaos within the government, undermining a lot of federal government departments and diminishing public opinion of government.

i never really understood before why someone that seemed so hostile to the idea of government would want to lead it, as president. in trump's case, it seems like a deliberate effort to undermine government capacity to regulate any form of business.
this is especially troubling when it comes to environmental protection regulations
 
Yeah, it seems clear to me that his goal with this is to deregulate big business as much as possible, to put as much power and control in the hands of the super wealthy as he can. Same as numerous other elected officials ever since Reagan. The difference with Trump is that he has no political experience at all so he appears far more outrageous, and because of his inability to know how to act on the global stage, he has the potential to cause more damage to our reputation. But he's hardly the only person to be trying to raise up a fascist regime, nor is he the most dangerous. Trump is just the visible focal point for this whole multi-decade shit-show finally becoming blatantly obvious.

I just hope that enough people in other countries realize that a whole lot of Americans are even more disgusted with this situation than they are.
 
tathra said:
it is old news, but it never hurts to remind everyone that the president hates the rule of law and supports vigilantism and summary executions.
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That is just not factual, our current GOAT president has time and time again been a champion of the constitution.

It's amazing given the fact that GOAT president didn't major in political science nor teach constitutional law, I guess you need to know the law inwards and outwards to deconstruct it.

I'd be happy to list specific references for damn near every amendment he has stood up for in his short time in office but nobody really does that here anymore, which is sad.


Personal question for all contributors.

Are you 100% dead set in your political beliefs?

If given the opportunity would you have all dissenting points of view silenced?

I'm old enough to have had my views and personal outlook change many times, and the fact that both parties are catering more to the outer limits of the fringe scares me.

I hate huffington post but it has it's place, just as breitbart and fox news has theirs.

The balance of the two parties is what keeps this country profitable and anytime theres a major swing in either direction it creates problems.

Do the lefties on here shar a similar opinion?

Like it or not all news outlets have their place and the more unified the news becomes, imo the more fractured we become as a society.
 
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David Wooderson said:
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Personal question for all contributors.

Are you 100% dead set in your political beliefs?

If given the opportunity would you have all dissenting points of view silenced?
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No to both. I've changed throughout my life and always enjoy being pleasantly surprised when shown something new. My general ethical views are relatively firm though.

I wouldn't silence anything. People should be able to say what they believe. I value honesty and I see merit in allowing people to shoot themselves in the foot with their opinions. I don't like a snake in the grass, I would prefer openness.

Of course, I follow the rules on bluelight where you don't get freedom of speech and some opinions are inherently borderline.
 
David Wooderson said:
That is just not factual, our current GOAT president has time and time again been a champion of the constitution.
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and time and time again he's shown contempt for it too:

  • the first amendment: his calls to implement a "complete shutdown of muslims entering the u.s."; his suggestion that we implement a registry of muslims; his opposition to freedom of expression by burning the flag; his suggestion that media outlets which criticize him have their licenses revoked
  • the fifth amendment: his suggestion that due process be trampled and suspects' families be targetted
  • the eighth amendment: his support of torture like waterboarding ("If it doesn?t work, they deserve it anyway, for what they?re doing.")
  • the tenth amendment: his attacks on federal circuit judges
not only that but his basic understanding seems suspect. remember that time he said he wanted to protect Article XII of the Constitution?

or the ongoing issue of his potentially profiting from the office in the context of the emoluments clause? the lawsuit was dismissed because of standing which says nothing about the merits of the case.

from the central park five to his pardon of joe arpaio - who was found guilty of contempt for refusing to follow a judge's order - he's shown contempt for the rule of law.

it goes on and on.

to answer your specific questions:

"Are you 100% dead set in your political beliefs?": no.

"If given the opportunity would you have all dissenting points of view silenced?": no.

alasdair
 
A champion of the constitution wouldn't praise a leader like Philippines President Duterte.

The bill of rights was conceived as protecting the rights inheirent to all people, American and not. Nobody who champions the constitution could show such apathy, let alone endorsement, of actions that go against everything the bill of rights is there to protect.
 
David said:
Seeing that you had to go there Clinton set the bar as low as it can get, with hiring a 22 year old employee of the White House Office of Legislative Affairs after less than 6 months of interning, only to become his personal fucktoy chattel on beck and call and in constant proximity to be able to, among other sexual acts, being ejaculated on and have vaginal cigar insertions on demand in the oval office.
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If you don't like his character, than deal with it but also deal with the fact that despite his very spicy character he is as of yet probably one of the most scandal free presidents of the last century.
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I don't really understand how you can hold such conflicting views, but I would argue that (and I really don't need to actually provide evidence because it has been everywhere) that Trump has been the most scandalous and controversial president in recent history. At least every week there are new scandals, be it the continual resignations, the stupid comments (Rocket Man, etc.) or the past transgressions (Stormy Daniels, etc.). I simply don't think you can relegate this all to 'spiciness' of character. Some of this stuff is important and informs us of the background behind his decisions.

People continue to ask 'is this the best the Mueller investigation has?' and the answer is no- its not finished yet.
 
David Wooderson said:
Like it or not all news outlets have their place and the more unified the news becomes, imo the more fractured we become as a society.
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You do realize that Trump and his people have been quietly consolidating the media, right, by repealing laws against media monopolies, and Fox's parent company has used the opportunity to buy up local news outlets around the country? And Trump has been loudly undermining the public's trust in any news source - except Fox (a single news source). I completely agree with your statement I quoted and it's one of the things I'm most against from this administration.
 
Xorkoth said:
You do realize that Trump and his people have been quietly consolidating the media, right, by repealing laws against media monopolies, and Fox's parent company has used the opportunity to buy up local news outlets around the country? And Trump has been loudly undermining the public's trust in any news source - except Fox (a single news source). I completely agree with your statement I quoted and it's one of the things I'm most against from this administration.
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Disney acquired Fox at the beginning of the year.

Sad as Fox's sport channels have been far superior to espn, and best of all they leave politics out of the sports programming unlike espn.

I cant even watch Sunday night baseball anymore, it's basically an sjw indoctrination program where identity politics come first and the baseball comes second.

As big of a boogieman as Fox news became I was surprised at how tiny of a presence they had in the global news markets.

Which monopoly laws has he repealed?

He's been outspoken in his disdain in the size and scope of google.
 
Sounds like he just hates the monopolies that disagree with him. But that's not surprising, trump is great at holding petty grudges. People like him always are cause they can't stand anything they can't exercise total control over. And the opinions of others are something not in their control. So if they can't bully or threaten or force to agree with them, they lose their fucking mind. Just like trump does.
 
David Wooderson said:
Disney acquired Fox at the beginning of the year.

Sad as Fox's sport channels have been far superior to espn, and best of all they leave politics out of the sports programming unlike espn.

I cant even watch Sunday night baseball anymore, it's basically an sjw indoctrination program where identity politics come first and the baseball comes second.

As big of a boogieman as Fox news became I was surprised at how tiny of a presence they had in the global news markets.

Which monopoly laws has he repealed?
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I heard about it on NPR, but I found this article by googling: http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/16/technology/trump-fcc-media-ownership/index.html

The Republican-led FCC voted along party lines Thursday to do away with longstanding restrictions on media ownership, potentially giving individuals and companies greater dominance over local media markets.

The commission voted to eliminate a rule first adopted in 1975, which prevented entities from owning a radio or TV station and a newspaper in the same market. The FCC also loosened restrictions to make it easier for a company to own multiple TV stations in one market.

Ajit Pai, the Trump-appointed chairman of the FCC, framed the move as an attempt to "strengthen local voices" and update regulations for the internet era.

"The media ownership regulations of 2017 should match the media marketplace of 2017," Ajit Pai, the chairman of the FCC, said in a statement Thursday. "Few of the FCC's rules are staler than our broadcast ownership regulations."

But consumer groups and Democrats in Congress criticized the policy change, saying it will hurt competition in local markets.

"This act will pave the wave for massive broadcast conglomerates to increasingly provide local viewers with nationalized cookie-cutter news and corporate propaganda that's produced elsewhere," Sen. Bill Nelson, a Democrat representing Florida, said in a statement.
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It continues, this is the first few paragraphs.
 
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...g-infidelity-national-enquirer-karen-mcdougal

I remember Miss December 1998 Karen McDougal. Except for the obviously plastic tits, she was a preschool teacher and seemed like a pretty, down-to-earth, girl next door type. Kinda disappointing that she had an affair with a cretin like Trump, then continued the affair even after he treated her like an escort after their first tryst. Melania had just given birth to Barron when the affair commenced.
 
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But... Hillary....emails...rouge (sic) FBI agents who were removed from investigation once their political bias was discovered...ummm... emails! No collusion! Ahhhhh!
I wonder how many more women Trump paid off?
I'm waiting for the defense of Trump to state that Trump obviously didn't sexually assault anyone because he's paying off the women he actually had sex with... sigh.
Wait, someone already did (seriously, I hadn't seen that comment). Gross.
 
If only the DNC hadn't rigged the nomination for Hillary we would probably have President Bernie right now. Sad. I hope he's still got it in him to run again in a couple years.
 
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