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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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TheLoveBandit said:
I don't know a damn thing about Beto. But if I were in TX, and had a vote? I'd vote against Cruz in a heartbeat. Like most politics these days, rather go with the evil you don't know than the one you know.

Though, I may need a ride to the polls. My Lexus is in the shop. Some fker keyed it. :!
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To be quite frank I felt a bit bad about it after that. It was one of those ostentatious over-sized SUV models. I didn't actually look for stickers on the car indicating voting preferences.

The keying was very light and down by the bottom of their step-up thingy, they'll probably never know it happened. Even if they were a Dem I'd have done it though. I'm sick of people parking in my spot when I've done them the courtesy of parking exactly in the middle. And it's a common occurrence here. So I just had it yesterday, left two 1.5 inch streaks at the base of their door. Then crawled in the other side of my car. I feel a small amount of remorse but not nearly as much as they should for being someone unworthy of operating a motor-vehicle and somehow conning the system into letting them have a damn license.

And if you're driving a 50000 dollar SUV, I think you can afford to deal with the problems that come from being an absolute selfish prick anyways.
 
^I thought that was a bit harsh for someone parking badly. Leaving them an abusive note is proportional. If they damaged your car then that's different.

alasdairm said:
you yourself claimed that "nobody knows the extent of voter fraud". now you're claiming that "anyone who still continues to deny it is a liar". by your own definition, you're guilty of assumption.
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I find it perplexing that you cannot comprehend these statements, and that you're attempting to spin them into a gotcha (while deflecting from the issue).
anyone who still continues to deny it is a liar = I've presented evidence showing enough fraud has been uncovered to demand attention.
nobody knows the extent of voter fraud = based on the observable crimes that we've found, a nationwide investigation is required for us to know how much fraud is actually occurring. That's in response to some people who've said "the amount of fraud found is insignificant". Coming from the same people that said a year ago "there's zero evidence of voter fraud therefore it's not happening". I've been saying this for 2 years, been called a conspiracy theorist for saying so, and now I'm partially vindicated.

alasdairm said:
trump continues to claim widespread voter fraud which deprived him of the popular vote without providing any evidence. yesterday, sarah sanders stated in a briefing that trump won an "overwhelming majority" of 63 million votes. that's simply a lie*. from the federal election commission: clinton: 65,853,516; trump: 62,984,825
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Well there is evidence as I've shown for thousands of noncitizens being registered to vote in TX & CA, and even Democratic offices sending out voter registration forms to non-citizens with the "citizen" checkbox already filled. One poor woman got 8 years in jail for voting when she wasn't supposed to, chances are she thought that she was allowed. I've also been saying for 2 years that Trump actually won the popular vote. Do we have evidence of this yet? No. Do we have evidence of voter fraud? Yes. I'm speculating here obviously but it would make sense if that the Clinton camp colluded with the DNC to commit fraud in order to get her to become the nominee, then they would do everything in their power to tip the scales for the general. Obama and Clinton had a projected air of hubris before the voting (she barely even campaigned) as it seems they thought they'd done enough (fairly or criminally). But either their efforts failed, or they severely underestimated the amount of support that Trump received.
 
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TheLoveBandit said:
This will sound like I'm defending him, and I try not to.
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You're just being fair and honest, like I wish everyone here would be.
It's a shame that simply doing so makes you appear as if you're a "Trump supporter" (with all the further implications).
Most of the criticism I see here leveled at Trump isn't regarding policies (or if it is it's often spun). It's usually accusations of racism/sexism (proven false) and hypocrisy (most of the time irrelevant). We should be discussing the EOs, not the fact that he's signing them. The ironic thing about all this is that the establishment has progressively and systematically funneled power to the executive over the last few administrations. That's all well and good when it's your guy in power who's following the globalist order, but now that it's in the hands of someone they dislike it becomes a major problem. If a Democrat were to regain power I wonder if they would scale back all these powers? Highly doubt it.

Captain.Heroin said:
You can PM him if you feel personally offended. If people are perceiving you as a racist, it's probably something you're doing or saying, especially because no one can see you from any of our perspectives.
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This is pretty pathetic. What should have happened was a mod should have said that I've never been banned for being racist. That either happened or it didn't, it's not a subjective opinion. I get the feeling that they are pleased with someone publicly labeling me a racist, and they might even perceive me as one, not due to anything I've said but simply based on showing support for Trump. If you can show me something racist that I've said I'd love to see it.

Captain.Heroin said:
You can also politely ask people to not call you racist. I think this might go a long way in establishing some politeness and personal boundaries.
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I'm not anyone's Daddy here to teach them manners. IIRC racism is against the rules, as is insulting others. We should know not to label each other with detestable insults but it seems this type of behavior has become normalized to the point that mods ignore it. Unless I defend myself and insult him back. This is what's known as baiting.
 
man is it getting thick in here. between JGrimez, ANT and trump would someone please open a window. woooheeee!

@TLB:
JGrimez said:
You're just being fair and honest, like I wish everyone here would be.
It's a shame that simply doing so makes you appear as if you're a "Trump supporter" (with all the further implications).
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i hate to be that guy but do these people know your views on trump or did i miss you sliding a post in there cause i'm pretty sure i get the gist of it from paying attention but i'm not perfect. pretty sure your like some here... good conversation creates something and is enjoyable.

cause i don't personally lump you in with that martian. i don't care if you did vote for him unless it was the delusional way of being a fanatic. then a few of us might have to take over this site until you get back from getting well again. (it's hard to tell but yes, i'm joking.)

sorry, i said that out loud and i know "they" are listening. did you see trump trying to mess with immigration by trying to get birthright citizenship ixnayed on the galitylenay?
 
Most of the criticism I see here leveled at Trump isn't regarding policies (or if it is it's often spun). It's usually accusations of racism/sexism (proven false) and hypocrisy (most of the time irrelevant). We should be discussing the EOs, not the fact that he's signing them.
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Well said, Grimey. The reason people don't discuss Trump's policies or get into detail about any actual supposed negative impact he is having as president, is because there is nothing much to say. Whereas if you focus on bullshit, he's a liberal goldmine. He's like Bush times a thousand. There is enough material there for 8 years of distracting insulting tangential nonsense and the liberal media will milk it for all it's worth.
 
Pretty much, and nobody felt bad about teasing dumbass Bush because he started so many unnecessary wars so everyone hated him as well as laughed at him. Trump hasn't started any wars (actually de-escalated a couple) yet they hate him far more viciously than Bush.
Some liberals even reminisce about Bush fondly which I find really strange and unsettling.
 
@SheWasLvL18: it was wide of the mark but not your fault, he didn't read it.

i enjoyed it, thank you. and it seems like truth to me, even a drunk fratboy (as seen by the public) can make an accurate assessment of our current commander of twitter and self appointed chief of degrading people ... i mean commander and chief.
 
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JGrimez said:
^I thought that was a bit harsh for someone parking badly. Leaving them an abusive note is proportional. If they damaged your car then that's different.
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It was the tip of the iceberg.

People never park straight here. For fucks sake, I drive a Miata, I parked in the middle of my very wide spot, and STILL had to get in through the passenger side. I don't know if you've ever even tried to get into the driver side of a Miata when you're 6'1", or worse, through to it from the passenger side, but it is no easy task. I think they deserve the maybe 100 bucks (because it was a Lexus and not because it was actually much damage) of paint I scratched off if it helps them become paranoid enough to park within the damn lines for the rest of their life. I've been feeling like the woman in the intro to that Netflix movie "I Don't Feel at Home in This World Anymore".

Literally all they had to do was drive with the supposed abilities that their driving instructor 'confirmed' they had in order to obtain a license. They chose not to. They got their just desserts for it. And again, they were clearly very wealthy, and a dirt-free ostentatious luxury SUV says it all. If I drove a car that nice, I'd park in the god damn middle of my spot to ensure others didn't fucking damage my car.

My keying of their car was not politically motivated. It was fighting back against the selfish idiocracy I live in. Call it anarchism if you will. I simply assumed initially they were likely there to vote Republican (because most do in this area, specifically the wealthy), but the more I think about it the more I don't give a fuck who they support, they need to grow the fuck up and be considerate of others.


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In other news, ANT and Grimez, posters here including myself have in the past demonstrated the wrongness and inadequacies, and sometimes evils of Trump administration policies. You either read right past them, pretend they don't exist, or somehow spin negatives as positives. So please, for the love of God, get over this whole "No one wants to talk about policy it's all just ad homs against Trump," fallacy that both of y'all are so excited about.

I want to discuss things like his policy with y'all sometimes but 9/10 times you both seem disinterested in engaging once you realize that there's no defending an evil policy decision he has made.

Case in point, I recall bringing up how shitty Betsy Devos is and how she's attempting to ruin education and gave plenty of examples to you Grimez, and it simply got lost in the sea of Trump praise/arguments with others about how you think we're just ad homing the damn man.

Now I know this thread moves fast, so maybe the ignorance is unintentional, and simply that you missed what I or others have posted. But please drop the somewhat victim complex. Yes, Bush was worse. But Trump has at least two more years to beat him at his own game.
 
|~~ANT~~| said:
Am I missing something?[/COLOR]
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I am the best....at constructing sentences that either don't flow, or hit enough bumps to throw folks from the train (of thought).

My intent was:

Point 1 - something exists, we debate to what degree

Point 2 - we cannot then argue its existence

PS - I likely hold the record for number of ninja edits to posts :| They are NEVER right the first time.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
And if you're driving a 50000 dollar SUV, I think you can afford to deal with the problems that come from being an absolute selfish prick anyways.
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I <3

Cream Gravy? said:
My keying of their car was not politically motivated. It was fighting back against the selfish idiocracy I live in. Call it anarchism if you will. I simply assumed initially they were likely there to vote Republican (because most do in this area, specifically the wealthy), but the more I think about it the more I don't give a fuck who they support, they need to grow the fuck up and be considerate of others.


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I <3 moar

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invegauser said:
@TLB:

i hate to be that guy but do these people know your views on trump or did i miss you sliding a post in there cause i'm pretty sure i get the gist of it from paying attention but i'm not perfect. pretty sure your like some here... good conversation creates something and is enjoyable.
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I've stated before I think Trump is a social moron. At the same time, I've stated I appreciate the change from status quo. I'm still evaluating his policies, but I view his Presidency as a radical change that pulls the country in a new direction (I didn't like the old direction). And while his changes my be radical, I don't see them lasting...only changing the course, but it will get pulled back by whichever party takes office next (and yes, that is to say I don't believe the Repubs will extend Trump's vision if they have another candidate in office after him).
 
|~~ANT~~| said:
Well said, Grimey. The reason people don't discuss Trump's policies or get into detail about any actual supposed negative impact he is having as president, is because there is nothing much to say. Whereas if you focus on bullshit, he's a liberal goldmine. He's like Bush times a thousand. There is enough material there for 8 years of distracting insulting tangential nonsense and the liberal media will milk it for all it's worth.
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So, let's pick a policy and give our views on it - what's the motivation, the impact, etc. Rather than a steady stream of hate/praise, let's actually point to a specific decision or action of his and talk about how it is good or bad.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
So please, for the love of God, get over this whole "No one wants to talk about policy it's all just ad homs against Trump," fallacy that both of y'all are so excited about.
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Or y'all could actually discuss the policies. Kudos to you for taking it seriously but the vast majority of criticisms here are hella vague or simply incorrect.

Cream Gravy? said:
I want to discuss things like his policy with y'all sometimes but 9/10 times you both seem disinterested in engaging once you realize that there's no defending an evil policy decision he has made.
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Usually the case is that I read a link presented, and the reality is nowhere near the "sky is falling" claims of the poster.

Cream Gravy? said:
Case in point, I recall bringing up how shitty Betsy Devos is and how she's attempting to ruin education and gave plenty of examples to you Grimez, and it simply got lost in the sea of Trump praise/arguments with others about how you think we're just ad homing the damn man.
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Later on I went through and read those links. I didn't find anything extremely worrying in them. As usual it seemed there was some good mixed with some bad. But you'll need to do better than "ruin education" - much too vague an accusation, be more specific with your concerns and I'm happy to address them. How are the policies ruining education exactly? Are there any positives along with the benefits? Is the liberal news I'm reading attempting to spin this story?

Cream Gravy? said:
Now I know this thread moves fast, so maybe the ignorance is unintentional, and simply that you missed what I or others have posted. But please drop the somewhat victim complex. Yes, Bush was worse. But Trump has at least two more years to beat him at his own game.
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What victim complex? I'm calling it as I see it. I invite criticism of the President obviously. I just prefer it to be legitimate. I've got some serious issues with Trump. However nobody asks me, they just assume I'm a blind loyal devotee. The most legitimate criticisms of Trump come from myself:

-supporting Saudi with weapons while they war against Yemen - this began before Trump and he just might be thinking about the money but he could do something to pressure the Saudis to ease off. To his credit Saudi has begun to reform since Trump took office but so far it's not good enough.
-supplying Ukraine with weaponry. I"m sure some people would have no problem with this but I am concerned about potential skirmishes with Russia.
-Trump just withdrew the US from a key nuclear arms treaty with Russia - extremely dangerous on appearance (similar to Bush pulling out of the ABM treaty) but may have been a move similar to the NAFTA thing, forcing Russia to the table to renegotiate.
 
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