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the 2014/2015 nfl thread v. R U RDY 4 SUM FOOTBAW?

The fix is in, man.

Just wait until the current crop of elite QBS retire in 2-5 years. We'll see all the teams with the new elite QBs getting all the bullshit calls go their way, because star QBs fill seats.
 
fix. lol.

if the nfl has a hard on for the pats and broncos so much so that it's all fixed, how come those two teams have such a poor combined superbowl record (5-9)?

why have the giants, redskins, raiders and dolphins all been to the superbowl 5 times? the nfl is fixing things so those powerhouse franchises can get to the big game?

the bills have been to 4 superbowls - are you telling lions, saints, chargers, falcons and cardinals fans that it's fixed when your team has been to more superbowls than those teams combined?

alasdair
 
You're talking about things that happened decades ago. The NFL is a very different entity than it was back then.

The Lions got swindled, and they're not the first to have been and certainly won't be the last. I used to chalk other up to had officiating league-wide but it never happens to certain teams. Why don't the Patriots, Packers, or Broncos ever get these game-changing terrible calls that make national headlines against them?
 
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The packers get them allot.. we try and be to good to let them matter. Gb has a large fan base, but comparatively I would guess its revenue ends up being pretty small compared to the pats or cowgirls and possibly comparable or smaller than D'Town.

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Waste of time trying to fix the NFL. Too few games in a season.

The NBA on the other hand. PLenty of opportunities to throw meaningless games during the season and still make the playoffs. Not to mention 7 game play off series. You are just lucky the Indian book makers have no interest in spot fixing basketball because the odds you would get for a team to come back from 15 points at 3/4 time would pay handsomely, with the public not being surprised when it happens right in front of them during prime time.
 
GenericMind said:
You're talking about things that happened decades ago. The NFL is a very different entity than it was back then.
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the giants last superbowl appearance was 2012. that's 2 years ago, not decades. also, they beat the new england patriots who were supposed to win because it's all fixed so i'm not sure what happened there?

the raiders last superbowl appearance was 2003. that's 11 years ago, not decades. a decade.

fair enough on the redskins/dolphins.
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Why don't the Patriots, Packers, or Broncos ever get these game-changing terrible calls that make national headlines against them?
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they do. the fans of those teams just don't whine about it as much.

either that or they're so good that they're generally up by enough points that one shitty call doesn't make or break a game :)

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
the giants last superbowl appearance was 2012. that's 2 years ago, not decades. also, they beat the new england patriots who were supposed to win because it's all fixed so i'm not sure what happened there?

the raiders last superbowl appearance was 2003. that's 11 years ago, not decades. a decade.

fair enough on the redskins/dolphins.
they do. the fans of those teams just don't whine about it as much.

either that or they're so good that they're generally up by enough points that one shitty call doesn't make or break a game :)

alasdair
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First of all, I never said they fix the Superbowl. Who cares who wins? It's about the show and how many viewers tune in.

Second, that's complete bullshit that those teams get those types of calls against them but the fans "just don't whine about them." I watch basically every Patriots game every season and it's simply not true.
 
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The pack gets calls like that in many games.. the only difference was that they flagged this one and picked it up. If they didn't flag and pick it up it would have been just another blown call in the nfl x wild card game.
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Can you give me a couple examples of a call like that against the Packers on a down that was one of the most critical downs of the game? Same question for Ali and the Patriots.
 
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Looks like the Seahawks were getting the help in that one. Interesting that they went on to win the Superbowl the next year. I wonder if it was supposed to be Patriots/Seahawks in the 2012 bowl.
 
Look, I don't think there's some massive centralized effort to fix the NFL. I also don't think that if anyone wants to fix it they're doing so with the precision it would take to determine the outcome of games with 100% certainty. I'm just saying that I watch enough games from all over the league to notice oddities in the overall story of how seasons end up playing out. And it's not like I'm the only person. I have no idea if it's pure coincidence, subconscious bias from refs, conscious favoritism, or outright suggestion from higher ups that certain games be "massaged" if need be. I just know that the more I watch the fishier it seems. From penalties to non calls to even questionable spots of the ball after plays.

With the advent of instant replay, DVR rewind, and slow motion from multiple angles there has been louder and louder talk that the refs are ruining games, on purpose or otherwise. You can't deny that big penalties have become an even bigger deciding factor in who wins than even scoring reviews. A ref can conpletely change the course of a game by not calling pass interference on a third down in a 1 score game in the 4th quarter. If they're going to have that much power, they need to be held more accountable.
 
If I had to guess I would say that there's a casual understanding among league officials and refs that this is an entertainment company and that whatever creates the most drama and draws the most viewers is to be encouraged.

People like to watch Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Aaron Rodgers win. QBs like that are the rockstars of the sport. They're amazing and will easily win most the games they play simply by being amazing. But is it really that hard to not call 1 penalty on a critical down in a game they're struggling in to significantly aid their chance of victory? Not at all.

And does anyone really think an Andy Dalton or Cam Newton vs. whoever Superbowl game would ever draw as many viewers as a Tom Brady vs. Tony Romo and "America's Team" or "The best high-powered offense in the league vs. the best stout defense in the league" matches like the NE vs. NYG or DEN vs. SEA or ARI vs. PIT bowls? No.

If you want me to believe in any given Sunday, give me more bowls like the Ravens win with Flacco instead of the ones that all seem inevitable.
 
I'm pretty sure if a rank underdog made the Superbowl there would be plenty of people tuning in for curiosity. Seattle are hardly the biggest market yet last years super bowl was the most watched in history
 
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no one is talking about fixing for the purpose of winning betting money. they're talking about fixing for the purpose of increasing advertising revenue -- more viewers tune in for certain teams.
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I would't even call it fixing. I'd call it influencing. Even if the teams they want to win don't win, people will still tune in to the Superbowl. But it literally only takes a half dozen or less biased calls all season to grealty increase the odds of getting whatever teams you want to the postseason. If the league really wanted it to be a fair game, critical penalties could be reviewed and overturned if need be in real time by the office full of experts they have in NYC that monitor the games. They can review plays several times in slow motion from several angles before the head ref can even jog over to the replay camera.

Did you ever wonder why every scoring play is instantly reviewed for verification yet penalties on game-deciding plays at the end of games aren't? I sure have. I'd much rather have them review a questionable pass interference call in a one-score game with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter than review whether a guy crossed the pylon before his knee was down. Hell, I'd even be willing to leave it up to the ref's eyesight and the possibility of human error for the latter if it meant game-changing penalties were challengable or at least reviewed from headquarters.

For a corporation that nets revenues in the tens of billions of dollars a year they sure seem to be behind the times in regards to technology. A group of 2nd year engineering college students with a budget of a couple thousand dollars could easily set up a system that would instantly solve the problem of "did he step out of bounds" or "did the ball break the TD chalk line?" with microchips and sensors. Why can't the NFL? One answer could be that it's one of the last remaining ways they can try to control games.
 
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I'm pretty sure if a rank underdog made the Superbowl there would be plenty of people tuning in for curiosity. Seattle are hardly the biggest market yet last years super bowl was the most watched in history
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It was touted as the best defense the league has seen in over a decade vs. Manning and the highest scoring offense in league history. Why wouldn't that be widely watched?

It's not just about market size. On any given day any team can luck into a win. We see it all the time. Like when Oakland beat KC.

But do you think the viewership for the bowl this year would have been nearly as high if the Bengals managed to win a couple lucky games and made it? Compared to say the Patriots and Cowboys? Hell no.

Like I said, 8 times out of 10th the teams that should win do win because they're GOOD. But it sure seems to me that if things don't go that way, a questionable call or two can almost guarantee it does.
 
actually I think people would watch the Super Bowl regardless of who was in it at this point

the games arent fixed, the officiating crews just arent used to working with each other in the playoffs and pass interference is always a hotly debated call.

The refs didnt drive down the field and convert on 4th and 6 to Witten to keep the drive going

the refs didnt shank that punt

the refs didnt cause a strip sack to end the game

detroit should have won at least 2 more games this year and gotten a bye but their kicker fucking sucked in the beginning of the year

and I hate the Cowboys. the better team won, thats it
 
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