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Thank god this forum didn't look like this 15 years ago

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jrEwing

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Wow I can't believe how many of the current posts in the ED section are negative and fear related! I haven't been on BL for a while but it was a great tool when I started rolling in 1998. There were helpful harm reduction topics, roll tips and tricks, general excitement and people posting about looking forward to upcoming events. It was mostly a happy and optimistic forum.
I'm bored at work right now and decided to see how the forum looks. It is still full of information and harm reduction based, but every other thread is about some horrible topic. "My mind is fucked"..."I have this terrible long term comedown"..."I have brain zaps"..."I've gone crazy"...etc
Of course these types of threads existed then also but they were few and far between. Honestly if I came here during my rolling honeymoon period I would have said to myself "fuck this shit!...I'm not going to go through what these people are experiencing, no matter how great it feels." I'm not making fun of those who have had real problems due to abuse of MDMA but for christ's sake, reading the forum today it just doesn't look like fun.
With close to 15 years of use I can still roll and experience some of the original magic...of course it is a bit diminished due to familiarity with the feeling now, but I still love it :D Thank god I didn't stop early on; MDMA has given me countless wonderful experiences and only a couple that I would have skipped. Those were due to fake pills, not MDMA.
 
I totally sympathise with op. it will come back around again. give it time and stay positive and please keep posting. :)
 
Its a shitty western diet too thats making it not as "magical" Get off Genetically modified foods and eat organic. Big changes will follow.
 
OP speaks sense, I find now only coming in here out of extreme sheer boredom, due to the posts exactly like your reply. I came, left came replied, left came and left again. Id hate to be a mod in here, jesus.

Old seems like its going to get worse as well.

And epic11 everything you said was complete nonsense.


Im still waiting for a positive thread, because im sure the majority of these people are not taking MDMA, never heard of anything like it before in my life.
 
I have the impression that there are many rather young posters who have indiscriminately munched too many untested pills. Of course they get sick. I would too if I swallowed toilet cleaner.
 
augustaB said:
I have the impression that there are many rather young posters who have indiscriminately munched too many untested pills. Of course they get sick. I would too if I swallowed toilet cleaner.
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Bingo! They buy a cap of molly empty it out on a table and snort it without thinking twice, very unwise to say the least
 
yeah shit's nuts, people can really be idiots. i wouldn't even say i'm particularly responsible with my MDMA usage but i've never come close to having a bad experience after rolling around 20 times. idk how people even get addicted to that shit to be perfectly honest, it's almost designed not to cause addiction...by the time you're addicted surely your serotonin is so drained that it's barely doing anything?
 
I binge, and I'm still pretty together. People are just not prepared. What goes up, must come down.

I blame it on 9/11.
 
There were helpful harm reduction topics, roll tips and tricks, general excitement and people posting about looking forward to upcoming events. It was mostly a happy and optimistic forum.
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I'm not making fun of those who have had real problems due to abuse of MDMA but for christ's sake, reading the forum today it just doesn't look like fun.
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Why didnt you just start a thread talking about something positive??

Youve come back informing us how positive and friendly bluelight used to be and instead decided to start an antagonistic thread towards people who are suffering from comedowns. AWESOME! What a friendly and nice person you must be.

No your not making fun of people youve just created a thread to entise others to do it for you.

Look at the comments below. This is really happy and optimistic.

Lets hope the insults towards people suffering get better. Nice thread you should be proud..

I wonder if anyone can improve on calling people idiots, kids or reminding us MDMA is safe and doesnt cause long term comedowns?

Im still waiting for a positive thread, because im sure the majority of these people are not taking MDMA, never heard of anything like it before in my life.
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I have the impression that there are many rather young posters who have indiscriminately munched too many untested pills. Of course they get sick. I would too if I swallowed toilet cleaner.
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Bingo! They buy a cap of molly empty it out on a table and snort it without thinking twice, very unwise to say the least
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yeah shit's nuts, people can really be idiots. i wouldn't even say i'm particularly responsible with my MDMA usage but i've never come close to having a bad experience after rolling around 20 times.
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I've written lots of posts over the years, sometimes positive, sometimes sad, and not every thread has to be positive nor should it be. I was only expressing that there is a general hysteria on the ED forum that would have turned me off if I was starting off now. I wasn't antagonizing anyone except you if you read the definition of the word::p

antagonize |anˈtagəˌnīz|
verb [ with obj. ]
cause (someone) to become hostile

I didn't mean to cause you to become hostile, I apologize :)



futura2012 said:
Why didnt you just start a thread talking about something positive??

Youve come back informing us how positive and friendly bluelight used to be and instead decided to start an antagonistic thread towards people who are suffering from comedowns. AWESOME! What a friendly and nice person you must be.

No your not making fun of people youve just created a thread to entise others to do it for you.

Look at the comments below. This is really happy and optimistic.

Lets hope the insults towards people suffering get better. Nice thread you should be proud..

I wonder if anyone can improve on calling people idiots, kids or reminding us MDMA is safe and doesnt cause long term comedowns?
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Lol. If I had to guess what MDMA was based upon the general readings of bluelight, it would be a series of brain zaps, long bouts of severe depression, and apparent retardation. The slang name should really be called Melancholy.............

And Ghb is a date rape drug.

;)
 
^Besides all the RCs misrepresented as being other things, I think there's all different kinds of people trying drugs that never would have been anywhere near them or had the opportunity 10 years ago, certainly not 15 years ago! I also think a lot of people trying these drugs are doing so in isolation and aren't necessarily part of a community of people that have done them, so they don't have the benefit of being able to "compare notes" with others. The drugs got mass-marketed and watered down right along with the music. Of course there's still good music and still good drugs...Still good people too! And I can be the most sneeringly cynical person in the world when it comes to the current state of "EDM" and the drug-culture that goes hand in hand. can't throw the baby out with the bath-water though.
 
I don't think anyone experiencing problems is necessary saying "Fuck MDMA, its terrible."

You want things to change? Write your legislature and tell them to clamp down on the flood of RCs being sold as molly and/or legalize MDMA so people can get unadulterated drugs.

Before my comedown, I had no idea what BL was. This was the only place I could get real answers to why my life was turned upside down. I credit this forum for helping me through a real shitty time in my life and getting back to normal.

If anything, this forum is serving its HR purpose. Warning people to make smart decisions when it comes to MDMA use.

Would you go to the OD forum and complain about people posting about all the negative effects of IV drug usage just because you love your DOC? I am not comparing MDMA to heroin, rather I am saying that there are inherent risks and sometimes extremely serious negative consequences that can result from drug use. The bottom line is that people are suffering and they are looking for help. A bit of empathy to those who are experiencing long term negative effects brought on by a drug which was believed to be MDMA would go a long way.

It has been a bit ridiculous watching this forum deteriorate between the pro MDMA and the comedown users. It appears as if some people are threatened by the fact that MDMA is causing problems for a seemingly increasingly amount of people on this forum.

Instead of dismissing and belittling those who are going through some extremely shitty anxiety and depression, why not work in a positive manner to promote safe use of MDMA and help prevent people from ingesting the shit that is causing so many problems.

Until shady fucks stop selling "molly" or pills that are nothing but a cocktail of shit RCs, this problem will not go away and instead it will only get worse.

Mods - if there is a problem with the increasing amount of negative threads taking over the positive threads, why not make a sticky mega thread?
 
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jrEwing said:
.of course it is a bit diminished due to familiarity with the feeling now, but I still love it :D .
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I wanted to highlight this because I think its an excellent point and one often missed by those claiming to have "lost" the magic.

I have thought all along that its not a case of tolerance so much as simply becoming used to the feelings. A bit like sleeping on silk sheets............first time is amazing and subsequent feelings are still good but in a depleting ammount.

Your body has not developed a tolerance for silk sheets.............you have simply gotten used to the feeling.


And on the original point of the thread, I tend to agree with the OP..............but I also believe that much of the problems are related to sooo many people not actually using mdma but something completely different even though they are convinced thats what they took.

After more than 10 years of using mdma I also have only positive things to say from my own experience.
 
Haha what a pointless thread. If that wasn't a complaint about the forum and those going through a hard time, what is it?

Also don't understand how people expect a harm reduction forum to be a super duper fun place? It's a place to give/ get advice on using the substance safely and used for people who have suffered from it... and that's what people appear to be using it for. As far as I can tell anything that strays too far from the topic of harm reduction, other than the social threads, gets shut down... Harm reduction is a necessary point of discussion for those who want to reduce damage and for those who have suffered to get some advice about recovery (hence minimising damage), warning others about consequences of reckless usage in the process (which serves a harm reduction purpose too).

I don't believe all these problems are a result of adulterated MDMA use as MDMA is proven to be neurotoxic when used in the wrong way. Even if adulteration is the principle cause for increased sufferers these days, it is a very real danger associated with the use of MDMA in the modern context. It is good that people are beginning to realise the dangers, often thanks to threads about people who have suffered, warning others about the dangers of some of the cut product out today.

I really don't understand why some of the people complaining about this are even members of bluelight? There are tonnes of forums which don't prioritise harm reduction. In terms of harm reduction there is only so much you can talk about.... not too much scope for fun conversation really! If an ecstasy harm reduction forum is a place someone goes to for having a good time, I believe it is probably time to reassess what you are doing with your life + maybe consider taking up a new hobby or three... lol. Especially if you find that a large percentage of your posts are complaints about people going through an absolute shitter of a time - people whose posts fall completely within the scope of a harm reduction board.
 
Dawglaw said:
Would you go to the OD forum and complain about people posting about all the negative effects of IV drug usage just because you love your DOC? I am not comparing MDMA to heroin, rather I am saying that there are inherent risks and sometimes extremely serious negative consequences that can result from drug use. The bottom line is that people are suffering and they are looking for help. A bit of empathy to those who are experiencing long term negative effects brought on by a drug which was believed to be MDMA would go a long way.

It has been a bit ridiculous watching this forum deteriorate between the pro MDMA and the comedown users. It appears as if some people are threatened by the fact that MDMA is causing problems for a seemingly increasingly amount of people on this forum.
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Well said. Excellent post
 
Mods - if there is a problem with the increasing amount of negative threads taking over the positive threads, why not make a sticky mega thread?
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I agree with everything you have said Dawglaw 100% bar this. The problem with MEGA threads is they are very confusing with all the different topics, Difficult to navigate through and frequently get ignored.

If some one is suffering as I have seen many times the thread is often a one to one containg reassurances, help and advice specifically for that person. When discussing this before someone argued that all the advice is same but I dont think it is.

I have seen with my own eyes people going from pits of dispair to full recovery on an entire thread and grouping this into a MEGA thread because it isnt enough fun is very bad news for a harm reduction forum.

Surely the best solution has to be if your unhappy with the negative threads then just make a positive one please refrain from calling people idiots and kids because they are suffering from a longterm comedown.

The 90s was a different era. Most of the pills around then were MD** or closely related and nothing to where we are now. More people are going to get fried, more people will need help please dont let threads like this entise you into slagging off others who are less fortunate than yourself.
 
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