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Thailand considering legalising crystal meth

My God, finally a rational POV from that part of the world

It's sad, really, how many people have died there due to the draconian approaches from this "WAR"

Anyone who has been to SE Asia will have likely witnessed that this was a lost war from the beginning
 
Just like last year's UN memo about decriminalisation of all drugs that was shot down because of one government applying pressure this too I assume will be a victim of US imperialism.

Without the War on Some Drugs they have no excuse to have military bases in South America and certain parts of South East Asia.

They now have the War on Terror which also is an excuse to interfere and spread US hegemony.
 
It'd be amazing if they actually went through with this - such harsh penalties over in SE Asia despite all the mass production, it would completely change their economic situation and set a precedent for the rest of the world, to get fucking real already.
 
My God, finally a rational POV from that part of the world

It's sad, really, how many people have died there due to the draconian approaches from this "WAR"

Anyone who has been to SE Asia will have likely witnessed that this was a lost war from the beginning

I think it's the Russians who are the main villains of the peace at the moment when it comes to global drug policy.... they have never believed that drug dependants deserve treatment or any help whatsoever so any suggestion of international progressive drug policy gets vetoed by them before it can be discussed properly on a UN level.
 
Whilst this would certainly be a great step forward if it were to happen I must admit I too have my doubts it would be allowed to. However, even just saying it is a great step forward in its own right. Admittedly it's unlikely many countries are going to rush in to stand side-by-side with Thailand against the entrenched positions of... pretty much every other country. Every time the issue is raised at such high level is a massive deal for the cause though. The discussion needs to be had and needs to be taken seriously. The only way that will realistically happen is for government-level announcements like this.
 
Weird thing to choose to legalise though?

I mean meth of all things??

Weed I could understand (basically harmless). Even heroin (standardised quality leading to harm reduction) but meth is just an odd one. Horrible toxic shite IMO....

I know SE Asia has far, far higher levels of methamphetamine use than we do making it far more of a relevant issue but still...Unless a completely logical course of action was persued and ALL drugs were decriminalised I can think of at least a dozen drugs I'd decriminalised before meth.....

Just my $0.02 and I'm sure many will disagree.....
 
Weird thing to choose to legalise though?

I mean meth of all things??

Weed I could understand (basically harmless). Even heroin (standardised quality leading to harm reduction) but meth is just an odd one. Horrible toxic shite IMO....

I know SE Asia has far, far higher levels of methamphetamine use than we do making it far more of a relevant issue but still...Unless a completely logical course of action was persued and ALL drugs were decriminalised I can think of at least a dozen drugs I'd decriminalised before meth.....

Just my $0.02 and I'm sure many will disagree.....

Meth is an incredibly complex problem in Thailand. You have to understand how huge its use is there. It's like everywhere. All parts of population use it. Something needs to be done. I will give a more detailed reply on why I dont think it will happen but also why I think it will. Nothing is ever as it seems in The Land of Smiles
 
I can see a lot of sense in maximising the reduction of harm by focussing on the drug causing most harm in that particular locality. It's always a tricky area when the legalisation debate has to tackle drugs which have such potential to cause havoc due to being much harder to use "sensibly". I would still say that the only way to truly reduce harm in meaningful ways is to address all drugs via legalisation though. That in no way means a free-for-all with advertising, mass-marketing, branding and such. Needs to be made as dull as possible. Plain packaging, licensed premises, prominent HR materials and info and a massive push on education right through the schoolyears.

Mind you, if Thailand somehow do manage to pull it off with meth of all things it pretty much nails the argument for everything else in a stroke.
 
Interesting thought, I'd like to remind people that Alcohol is probably the worst in terms of effects it has on the body with heavy use yet it's still legal in a lot of "1st world" countries, so to legalise something that's probably used as much in SE Asia makes sense to some degree.

I wonder how they'll manage selling of it? Through Government locations meaning it's taxable?
 
Thailand is a complex country. It has experienced massive changes over the last 30 years. It's political system is chaotic...politicians could literally give people money for their vote. Thaksin Shinawatra was the master of this. He is the hero of the poor but a billionaire who changed laws to benefit his families empire. I remember when my girlfriend and her family all received their money for voting for him. I asked her was this normal, she looked at me strange and said of course..do they not do this in Australia. Well i guess they do in some ways..just not as blatant. Thaksin went on his own personal drug war, telling the police to have no mercy on drug dealers as the meth problem was just out of control. Thousands of people were killed by the police and military. A lot of innocent people and a lot of casual users. The price of meth tripled at this time. But nothing changed..people kept using it and use kept growing. Meth has been ingrained in Thai culture for decades. They used to sell "pep pills" at service stations and chemists. Back then it was called ya khayan (energy pill). It wasn't till 1996 it was renamed ya ba by the then justice minister. It's used by truck and bus drivers, building workers, students, bar girls and just about everyone else. It is absolutely everywhere.

Now the use of ya ba pills is dropping and being replaced by ya ice (crystal meth). It's extremely pure and more expensive. The poor still smoke ya ba, the wealthy and the bar girls who can afford ya ice smoke that. Australia has a bad meth problem, its the only form of speed available but we are practically sober compared to Thailand. So it makes sense that this is the drug the Justice Minister is focusing on. It is costing Thailand a fortune to police it, put people in gaol etc and it's not working. So he wants to change direction. He will face a lot of resistance to this change. People in powerful places have always controlled the Thai drug trade. Specifically the Military and the Police. They make a lot of money from it. They will not want change but there is also a generational change going on in the military who currently run the country. The unexplained obscene wealth of many high ranking officers and police is coming under scrutiny. So things may indeed change. They will face pressure from the US etc not to change but Thailand historically does it's own thing a lot of the time. They have a sense of independence that most Asian countries do not. They are the only country in Asia never to have been colonised. A change like this will only occur while the military is in charge. Politicians of both sides do not have the balls to do things like this. Interesting times indeed.
 
Thailand is a complex country. It has experienced massive changes over the last 30 years. It's political system is chaotic...politicians could literally give people money for their vote. Thaksin Shinawatra was the master of this. He is the hero of the poor but a billionaire who changed laws to benefit his families empire. I remember when my girlfriend and her family all received their money for voting for him. I asked her was this normal, she looked at me strange and said of course..do they not do this in Australia. Well i guess they do in some ways..just not as blatant. Thaksin went on his own personal drug war, telling the police to have no mercy on drug dealers as the meth problem was just out of control. Thousands of people were killed by the police and military. A lot of innocent people and a lot of casual users. The price of meth tripled at this time. But nothing changed..people kept using it and use kept growing. Meth has been ingrained in Thai culture for decades. They used to sell "pep pills" at service stations and chemists. Back then it was called ya khayan (energy pill). It wasn't till 1996 it was renamed ya ba by the then justice minister. It's used by truck and bus drivers, building workers, students, bar girls and just about everyone else. It is absolutely everywhere.

Now the use of ya ba pills is dropping and being replaced by ya ice (crystal meth). It's extremely pure and more expensive. The poor still smoke ya ba, the wealthy and the bar girls who can afford ya ice smoke that. Australia has a bad meth problem, its the only form of speed available but we are practically sober compared to Thailand. So it makes sense that this is the drug the Justice Minister is focusing on. It is costing Thailand a fortune to police it, put people in gaol etc and it's not working. So he wants to change direction. He will face a lot of resistance to this change. People in powerful places have always controlled the Thai drug trade. Specifically the Military and the Police. They make a lot of money from it. They will not want change but there is also a generational change going on in the military who currently run the country. The unexplained obscene wealth of many high ranking officers and police is coming under scrutiny. So things may indeed change. They will face pressure from the US etc not to change but Thailand historically does it's own thing a lot of the time. They have a sense of independence that most Asian countries do not. They are the only country in Asia never to have been colonised. A change like this will only occur while the military is in charge. Politicians of both sides do not have the balls to do things like this. Interesting times indeed.

A freind of mine who is a bodybuilding coach used to live in Thailand and once told me that anabolic steroids, antibiotics, and even many opiates and benzos were OTC but many types of protein powder were illegal. I've never been to Thailand so it's just what I've been told but that seems odd....

We used to get a lot of steroids from Thailand imported into the UK....mainly methandianone and oxymethalone tablets as the profit margins on tablets are much smaller per weight than vials or ampules making Thialand one of the few countries from which tablets could be exported with a decent profit....

British Dispensary (aka British Dragon) was the manufacturer IIRC....

The sum total of my Thailand knowledge unfortunately.....
 
A freind of mine who is a bodybuilding coach used to live in Thailand and once told me that anabolic steroids, antibiotics, and even many opiates and benzos were OTC but many types of protein powder were illegal. I've never been to Thailand so it's just what I've been told but that seems odd....

We used to get a lot of steroids from Thailand imported into the UK....mainly methandianone and oxymethalone tablets as the profit margins on tablets are much smaller per weight than vials or ampules making Thialand one of the few countries from which tablets could be exported with a decent profit....

British Dispensary (aka British Dragon) was the manufacturer IIRC....

The sum total of my Thailand knowledge unfortunately.....

Yes i know people that used to import steroids from Thailand too. Also people that will go there to train and use them. Not my scene but it still goes on as far as i know. Everything imaginable is available in Thailand. I always grabbed a few xanax from the chemist for after meth binges and the flight home. Viagra as well. No prescription needed but if you do get caught with them without a prescription by the police you can get nicked. Always pay the fine on the spot!
 
Yes i know people that used to import steroids from Thailand too. Also people that will go there to train and use them. Not my scene but it still goes on as far as i know. Everything imaginable is available in Thailand. I always grabbed a few xanax from the chemist for after meth binges and the flight home. Viagra as well. No prescription needed but if you do get caught with them without a prescription by the police you can get nicked. Always pay the fine on the spot!

Yeah the OTC drugs thing I get but out was the alleged (by my mate) illegality of whey protein powder I couldn't fathom....
 
I doubt that was true. There are bodybuilding supplement stores everywhere there.

It was late 90s and far more likely relating to some specific ingredient in a specific supplement rather than a "ban on protein powder".

Some places ban things like Alpha Lipoic Acid, L- tryptophan etc...things like that. This then leads to a supplant containing those added ingredients being completely banned....

Often this loophole leads to a totally innocuous substance being outlawed....
 
It was late 90s and far more likely relating to some specific ingredient in a specific supplement rather than a "ban on protein powder".

Some places ban things like Alpha Lipoic Acid, L- tryptophan etc...things like that. This then leads to a supplant containing those added ingredients being completely banned....

Often this loophole leads to a totally innocuous substance being outlawed....

I still doubt it. I have been going to Thailand since 91. I cant see them banning it. Again not my thing but it makes no sense to me and does not sound like the Thailand that I know.
 
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