Testosterone Cycle Advice

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blazR

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Hi,

Since drugs(endogenous, as well as exogenous) does interest me quite a lot and I have a physical limit for gaining muscle, I have decided to make this thread. My believe is that bluelight.ru mayby shouldn't be my first choice for vreating this thread, but since I see myself as a pretty educated fellow, here it goes...

First, a little bit of background information:
I have allways been the small guy. Even though I'm adult and don't expect to grow any higher, I have accepted my height. And my height is no problem btw - I don't have any kind of "small-man complexes".. :)

I have been training, both lifting weights and sports(kayak polo), several times- (or periods of years.). I have done bodybuilding 3 times, each time minimum 2 years serious training, diet and so on..

My problem is that I get very ripped but I can't gain musclemass... My limit is about 53kg. Without "cheating, I can achive 55kg. but overnight it's gone.. :(
A coupple of years ago I took a "Dianabol diet", as far as I remember 6 weeks duration. The doses were kept at a minimum. The 2 first weeks were 1½ times higher, maybe 2 -than the next 4 weeks. Can't rememer the extact dosages, but they were "small".
----I hit 57-58kg and loose a little, but I kept the 55kg ½ year at least!

Now I'm about to go try again, but with injectable testosterone.. And I need some advices.. Or opionions if you will.
What I've got is:
20ml - 100mg/ml Testosteron Propionate,
5ml - 250mg Testosteron Cypionate,
20ml "Testocom" (Sustanon(?)) - 150mg/ml decaonate, 90mg/ml isocaproate, 90mg/ml phenylpropionate, 45mg/ml propionate

What I would like to do, is especially to do a "mild" cycle - but i figured it should be shorter than 140 days - but long!, even though injectable steriods aren't that bad for the live(heard, read) I would think 140 days is too much. Any comments or advise to not runnig 140 days cycle?

My plan so far:
- Day 1-42 - 0,5ml(50mg.) Testosterone Propionate every 2nd or 3rd day - haven't decided if It should be every 2nd or 3rd day - any advise?
The rest is acually ehat I wan't your advise for.. :)

I have thought about starting "testocom" day 35 and every 4th or 5th day but when should i take the Test Cypionate? (once every weke for test c seems correct, huh?)

Of course I will keep a diet also. :)
 
If you can't gain and maintain mass naturally, your gains on steroids will be sub-par. What do think is going to happen to your body once you cycle off?

You need to learn how to gain muscle mass properly before getting on the gear. I had you problem, with gaining mass. You can be assured I learned how to gain mass effectively with only diet, training, and a fucking mulch-vitamin before I got on the gear.

If you have no control over your body in it's default state and don't know how it works in it's default sate, you can't expect grand and maintainable results in a chemically augmented state.

Part of you problem is that Dianabol Diet you did. An oral only cycle? No Testosterone? Did you at least follow up with Clomid and Nolvadex?
 
-Guidio- what does "sup-bar" mean?
My plan this time is of course to do a post-cycle treatment and I have thought abouth clomide/tamoxifen during/at the end of this "diet".. But no, I did'nt do PCT in the end of the d-bol diet approximately 3 years ago.

Voxide, what is so hilarious?:| I am asking serious questions on this forum because all the "roid-forums" I've read, people seems shortminded.. As your comment does.

Maybe I don't exactly need advice, but I would like some inputs...

I have written some notes and calculated a bit.. This is my plan for first 60 days;
Day 1-60
0,5ml Test P EOD(every 2nd day)
0,5ml "Testocom" every 6th. day
 
You thought about clomid and Nolvadex at the end of this diet?

You think hormone use is like a diet?

Not only that you completely disregarded everything I said. I made an grammer error, it was supposed to be sub-par, which equates to dog shit.

People seem short-minded because you have no grasp of what steroids are and how the work.

My advice is to leave this forum forever and spare me the bullshit of you gaining 10 pounds on a cycle and losing it all, or stick around for a few months, learn how to put on mass naturally, and then run a proper cycle.
 
Yeah okay.

You might be right regarding my knowledge about hormone cycles and particularly PCT and antiestrogens. "Diet" was a bad choice for the word, when cycle didn't came to mind i chose to use "diet" -see the "s?? I don't think that hormone-cycles are like diets, no..

People seem short-minded because you have no grasp of what steroids are and how the work.
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How can you say that I have no grasp of what steroids are and how the work?
As I have stated I'm no steroid-expert - that was why i asked for advices in the first place..

I wan't your opinions, but just not "ohhhh he's so stupid" - am I not welcome on this part of bluelight(or at ALL???) because my knowledge about hormone-cycles are insufficient?


How about suggesting something acually relevant to hormone-cycle...
 
blazR said:
How about suggesting something acually relevant to hormone-cycle...
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I just did. I will say it again. My advice is to leave this forum forever and spare me the bullshit of you gaining 10 pounds on a cycle and losing it all, OR stick around for a few months, learn how to put on mass naturally, and then run a proper cycle.

What you have planned is going fuck to fuck up your hormone levels bad. Your levels are going to be a like a rollercoaster.
 
Dude do your research on steroids, training and diet before you decide to take the plunge. (Pun intended)
That's a bit of a complicated cycle for a first timer.
First time should be no more than dbol, test e at 500mg per week for no longer than 15 weeks followed by a proper pct.
It doesn't seem as if you are ready for gear.
That's my opinion
 
-Guido- said:
What you have planned is going fuck to fuck up your hormone levels bad. Your levels are going to be a like a rollercoaster.
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Is it the Test blend every other 6th day or the combination with Test P?
I'm quite sure Test P every 2nd day is a regular interval.. Correct, eh?

My initial plan was(and still is) to run the cycle for longer than 60 days, but I'm not sure for how long. PCT was also included in my initial plan - but since I have no experience with PCT I came asking here. POST cycle treatment is at the end of the cycle, right..? ;)

-Guido- -> I have been lurking in this part of the forum for years, but been active in other parts. And propably will stick around :P

nolys -> I have done a dianabol cycle, years ago though.. Test E isn't one 1 the compounds I have..
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I don't mean to be rude at all and I admit; I have lot to learn about training, diet and hormones in general. It seems to me though, that i get misinterpretted...
 
Sorry “first time injecter”.
Test e is basically exactly the same as test c, you should know that if you are beginning to use.
All them compounds will leave your hormone levels like a rollercoaster. Stick to 1 type of test, 1 oral and a good pct.
Then when your a few cycles in you can start to fuck about
 
You're 120lbs so how about instead of AAS you learn how to eat you dumb cunt.
 
blazR said:
Hi,


What I've got is:
20ml - 100mg/ml Testosteron Propionate,
5ml - 250mg Testosteron Cypionate,
20ml "Testocom" (Sustanon(?)) - 150mg/ml decaonate, 90mg/ml isocaproate, 90mg/ml phenylpropionate, 45mg/ml propionate
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I would like to re-stress what Guido has previously stated, your diet and training need further attention. If you can't sort out the basics of correct diet and exercise, taking steroids is only a temporary fix for a problem you already have...

Looking at the Testosterone you have:
It is all testosterone, non of it is any different, its just testosterone, only the esters attached to it are different...
The ester is responsible for the speed of release of testosterone into your blood stream...

Half-lives of the compounds you have:

Propionate 2 days
Cypionate 6 days
Decanoate 7.5 days
Iscaproate 4.5 days
Phenyl-Propionate 2 days

To obtain steady blood levels and to avoid harsh peak & troughs (which could cause other hormonal issues) it is best to pin to account for the half-life of the compound you have chosen.....
Test-Cypionate (6 day half-life) can be pinned every 6th day or every 3rd day with half the dose in some individuals to keep steadier blood levels...

You are best sticking with one compound... Test-Cypionate would be my preference.... keep things simple...
OR if you don't mind pinning every 2nd day, Propionate (half-life 2 days).....

By wanting to combine 5 different esters at the same time or switch between esters you will bounce your blood levels all over the place, this is not preferred and could cause unnecessary issues with other hormones which you don'y really want...

My 2c.....
 
Forget about steroids and aerobic exercises and get your diet right.
4000kcal / day should do the trick.
 
What does your training look like? You should do basic compound lifts, e.g. Starting Strength or a similar program. And you have to increase your calorie intake. I would begin with +500kcal/day. If you still don't grow, add another 250kcal/day every week until you start gaining weight.
 
you have 20ml of sust 250
and 20 ml of test prop

run sust at 500mg/week for 10 weeks
use prop to bridge between final sust injection and pct

pct 3 weeks after final sustanon injection nolva 60/60/40/40/20/20
 
55kg, are you fucking serious?
Buddy. Squats, Deadlifts, Military Press, Bent Over Rows.....olive oil, steak, milk, tuna, eggs, oats, oats, oats, hamburgers, chicken, oats, oil, bacon....

You WILL grow.....you're just a hard-gainer. But man 55kg, that sucks bro...you must be a fucking twig.

You do realize putting on mass actually takes work right? and LOTS of it. You have to break through what your CNS has adapted to EVERY workout.
 
I'm getting tired of people coming here who literally are many times lighter than the weight I use to warm up when bench pressing.

If you can't grow with just eating and working out, then you are not going to grow on steroids. And if you can grow, running a cycle at 150lbs or running a cycle with a body fat greater than 10% is A WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME.

Learn how to eat and train right. Gte your body fat down. Put on some lean muscle. Then get on the gear.

Steroids are not magic. Additionally, don't use steroid if your reason is to be popular, get girls, or be able to beat people up. Because in the end, you will still be the same weak, insecure man-child with no personality.

Steroids are a tool to take you physique beyond you limits.
 
-Guido- said:
Steroids are a tool to take you physique beyond you limits.
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Exactly. If anything, I'd recommend reaching your max potential before even attempting a cycle. That means putting on as much mass as your body will allow before you reach a permanent plateau. The first year or two, of consistent training with proper excercises and a solid diet, you will gain tons of mass. After the second year, things will slow down a bit, but you'll still get decent mass. The third and fourth year things may progress, but become significantly slower. After the fourth year you will have probably reached your genetic potential. Then it might be time to juice up. Guys who juice up to look like Arnold as fast as possible will never make it in the bodybuilding game. They'll get big, become satisfied, slack off and lose not only their gains, but will end up with severe side-effects. So I suggest you take our advice and put the needle down for at least 2-3 more years. Bodybuilding isn't magic.
 
Garden Man said:
55kg, are you fucking serious?
Buddy. Squats, Deadlifts, Military Press, Bent Over Rows.....olive oil, steak, milk, tuna, eggs, oats, oats, oats, hamburgers, chicken, oats, oil, bacon....

You WILL grow.....you're just a hard-gainer. But man 55kg, that sucks bro...you must be a fucking twig.

You do realize putting on mass actually takes work right? and LOTS of it. You have to break through what your CNS has adapted to EVERY workout.
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I like you. You can stay.
 
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