Testing diazepam powder

[SteveElektro]

SWIM got hold of some powder that it being represented as pretty much pure diazepam.
Does anyone know a way I can get this tested? Ideally I would like qualitative (is it actually diazepam) and quantitative (purity).

Could anyone please help with this request?

 

[4DQSAR]

Without a GC-MS there is no way of reliably knowing what the purity is and if it's another benzodiazpeine misrepresented as diazepam, you need GC-MS as well.

Frankly, in bulk diazepam is SO cheap that a gram costs under $1 BUT I've met a fair few vendors in my life... I've yet to meet even one who cared about the end user. In fact the reverse is true. I've seen total disinterest right through to 'look at how many people I killed' so don't trust them, EVER,

There MAY be a specific ELISA test for diazepam but I don't know if it would spot say the 7 -Cl of diazepam having been swapped with a 7 -Br (as an example).

 

[SteveElektro]

Are there any services in Australia that will let you send them a sample to run a gcms on for harm min purposes? I know they have them in Europe. Would be happy to pay for the service but don't particularly want to send a batch of supposedly diazepam through customs

 

[4DQSAR]

Are there any services in Australia that will let you send them a sample to run a gcms on for harm min purposes? I know they have them in Europe. Would be happy to pay for the service but don't particularly want to send a batch of supposedly diazepam through customs

Well, anyone in the business of tabletting diazepam will either have obtained a COA (Certificate of Analysis) from their supplier or conducted their own instrumental analysis.

We used to actually put the GC-MS and NMR data of each batch on-line so buyers could check. If memory served, we paid about £400 a time but we did use that lab a lot. But it was an independant lab and we made it clear who did the instrumental analysis so if people didn't trust US, they could check.

Trust is hard to gain, easy to lose. But trust is important when it could be the end user's life.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Okay -- How well do you trust the ppl you got it from? Is this order one order x order xx order xxx or more?

If this is the first order I suggest being HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. Maybe try 1mg to make sure it ain't fent and go upwards from there at your own risk?

4DQSAR --- Is there not some kind of "Benzo Reagent Strip" -- I would guess there would be but I don't know tbh

If so that is a good start, make sure it tests positive for benzo's at all with reagent strip (Should be pretty cheap). Than go .25 mg at a time - or 1 if that is the lowest you can get to. You do have a MG scale right?

If it is your say 549th order and they have always been legit in the past I'd be a bit less worried.......

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Or Alternatively -- you go get a benzodiazepime drug test, pour a small amount of water into the cup and dip it to see if it comes up positive. (Be sure the one you buy is looking for diazepam itself not one only of its many metabolites)

Not positive what metabolites a benzo drug test from Shopko or w/e looks for but I am positive you can Google your way to that answer if noone extrapolates.

SORRY LOOKS LIKE IT TESTS FOR NORDIAZEPAM - A benzodiazepine urine test detects metabolites like nordiazepam, temazepam, and oxazepam, If you can find one that tests for straight diazepam you could do that.

 

[4DQSAR]

@notsmokeymcpot42088 - you know, your post made me realize that chlorodiazepoxide (Librium) homologues could offer at least nine new as-yet unseen RCs. There are also a couple of other general ways benzodiazepine prodrugs likewise amiable to the same general loophole.

Sadly, it doesn't seem as if the DEA emergency schedling a number of the most potent and possily most dangerous benzodiazepine RCs from being sold. Only illegal for the buyer to possess. But the US is a large market and it would at least ensure customers are at least sure that thay won't get into legal trouble just from buying them.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Wait you mean only illegal to consume not possess right? As of July 26th ----

Yes the US is a large and legal market.

And my dumbass can't figure out a a cellphone and BTC. Doh!

Woohoo for 9 new ideas and nah of course I didn't lol I was just trying to figure out how dude could reverse engineer his UA

 

[4DQSAR]

Yeah - people were banging on about Avizafone being a prodrug but actually, there are at least five other general classes of prodrug. Six if you accept that things like chlorazepate derivatives undergo decarboxylation before they are actives. But for me the important thing is that if someone used Markush rules, all of the classes WOULD fall outside the set. In all cases a moiety is lost so a rearrangement occurs (which is why I listed chlorazepate as a questionable class. No rearrangement)