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It varies, I've used different set-ups each time, so can't really tell. It's hard to get a good yield with a 400W lamp though, but I think I've finally figured out how to get the best possible yield. Next grow will be a SCROG in one big container, I'll simply dump 200 litres of earth or so in there. This grow is only to check out how the seeds grow, don't really care about the yield that much.

lurkerguy said:
Wish I could try SOG, damn your lucky with your political climate.
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How come you can't try a SOG? The amount of plants not appealing to you?
 
lurkerguy said:
Damn you switch to 12/12 much earlier than me. ;)

I am sure they will end up at least 3+ feet at harvest though.

What do you pull per plant?

About 2 ounces?

I shoot for 6'+ plants with 8+ ounces, but that is with a 1000W and minimal plant numbers + twice the wasted veg time.

Looks like you got a 400W more than covered with so many plants regardless of size.

Wish I could try SOG, damn your lucky with your political climate.
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Lurker: how long do you usually vege for???have you ever tried rooting cuttings and then putting straight under a 12/12 cycle?i prefer doing likethis using sea or screen of green method...just have to make sure that they get a good amount of usable nitrogen for the first 2 or so weeks.........i usually harvest 1+ oz per cutting after 6 and a half or 7 weeks max......i also find that doing it this way i get better(skunkier product)almost no excess cabbage,the profile of the garden stays the same so maximises light usage and i can almost pull twice in the time it would have taken to do 1 yield vegeing.....!!!

p.s. i also use and recommend a soilless mix if using bags or pots instaed of soil....(lighter and less bacteria etc):\
 
Soilless? That means no soil if I'm not mistaken? I have no idea what you mean by the term, but I grow on soil. It's a mix of pre-mixed soil, regular potting soil and cocospeat.

rulerofthecosmos said:
you ever tried rooting cuttings and then putting straight under a 12/12 cycle?i prefer doing likethis using sea or screen of green method...just have to make sure that they get a good amount of usable nitrogen for the first 2 or so weeks.........i usually harvest 1+ oz per cutting after 6 and a half or 7 weeks max
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I reckon this would pretty much only work if you've got a sativa dominant strain, or you make big cuttings, or you make a shitload of them. But 6-7 weeks of flowering, isn't that a little short?
 
Blowmonkey said:
It varies, I've used different set-ups each time, so can't really tell. It's hard to get a good yield with a 400W lamp though, but I think I've finally figured out how to get the best possible yield. Next grow will be a SCROG in one big container, I'll simply dump 200 litres of earth or so in there. This grow is only to check out how the seeds grow, don't really care about the yield that much.



How come you can't try a SOG? The amount of plants not appealing to you?
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Exactly.

I only have 6 plants under 2,000W but the yield is spot on for 2,000W.

I have to veg for 6 weeks though, that is the down side.

It is worth it to me though, because an extra $60 or so on my electric bill will mean I get probation instead of jail time if anything ever happens.

I use vertical lighting, so I have 3 plants around each light.

Vertical lighting is awesome, cuts down on the radiant heat big time.

You can get a 1,000W less than 24" from new born seedlings with vertical lighting, no air cooling or anything.

With a reflector the closest I could get the lamp was 3-4'.

Basically I just sleep much better at night knowing I have 6 plants instead of 60. :)

Plus I love the huge baseball bat buds.
 
Blowmonkey said:
Soilless? That means no soil if I'm not mistaken? I have no idea what you mean by the term, but I grow on soil. It's a mix of pre-mixed soil, regular potting soil and cocospeat.



I reckon this would pretty much only work if you've got a sativa dominant strain, or you make big cuttings, or you make a shitload of them. But 6-7 weeks of flowering, isn't that a little short?
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Soilless just means a soil that has no nutrients, so you need to water with nutrients immediately.

I prefer real soil.

I use peat moss, perlite, compost, worm castings, lime, and bat guano.

I always flower at least 8 weeks, in my experience the longer you flower the better it is.

My whole area is flooded with premature buds with no smell, I can't stand it.

Not only do most people pick it early, they also turn around and sell it wet.
 
I see. Yeah, just your regular soil.. I don't have EC, PH or tensiometers, I do everything on sight and touch. It'd be pretty hard to correctly feed your plants on soilless without fancy equipment.

Checked on the plants today, they're showing first signs of sex, it's still so small though, I'll wait a few more days untill I'm sure of their gender, I've been wrong in the past going of the signs on the first few days. Also, in the last pic you can see it; the plant in the bottom right corner has leaves which bend up and downwards a little on the edges. IIRC that's a sign of a magnesium deficiency, if anyone wants to correct me on this, feel free to do so. I'll add some epsom salt to the water I use for foilar feeding anyways.
 
I am looking at the picture, are you talking about the plant that has a fan leaf sideways instead of normal?

Or are you talking about the one that looks like it is "cupping" on the edges of a couple leafs?

Magnesium deficiency will always have some discoloration, it isn't that, because everything is green.

Do you know the humidity level?

Low humidity levels cause that kind of cupping.

The plant curls up on the edges to cut back on transpiration and water loss from the leafs.

It won't kill the plant, or even really effect the health, it is just the plant adapting to conditions.

From what I see, it really isn't wide spread enough to be a concern.

They look fine.
 
There's a couple of spots on some of the leaves of 2 plants, which is why I thought it could be that (but those spots could be meaningless as well, maybe some droplets staying behind after watering). My last grow started out with some curling leaves and signs which looked like a pottasium deficiency, I'm fairly sure now it was actually a magnesium deficiency because the leaf edges curled up and downwards as well. But what you're saying sounds reasonable to me, humidity levels are always low in the box, it's on the attic, always between the 35-60. I'll spray them with some epsom salt anyways to see if it has any effect, if not, then you're probably right on the money.
 
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Hard to see the subtle discoloration of MG deficiency from a pic, is this what it looks like?
 
Can't see the pic, IC doesn't deeplink. I can describe it though, it are tiny yellow-brownish spots which feel a little crispy, bottom set of leaves.
 
If it is happening on old growth it isn't MG deficiency.

The fact that I can hardly notice it on your pics tells me that it will have minimal effect on yield and quality.

Old growth is usually a macro nute problem.

No plant is ever perfect, but as long as it is healthy and green for the most part (yours are), you will be fine.

The slight droopiness of the leafs tells me maybe you have been slightly over watering.

I recommend you give your plants a long drying out period.

Either way, they are for the most part 100% healthy, and will produce quality nugs.

Basically we are just splitting hairs.
 
They're the second set of real leaves, not the first, but the 3 fingered leaves, the second. An mg deficiency can happen in that place as well, otherwise I'm getting conflicting information from several other growers. I haven't been overwatering, I watch that very closely. Btw, magnesium falls under macro nutrition, correct me if I'm wrong.

I've sprayed them with 10% of the regular dosage of BN MgO, we'll see how that goes. Also switched to rainwater instead of tap water, if it is a mg problem it's probably because of the PH which is just around the 7 here. I'll check if these small ailments won't progress, I simply want them to be as healthy as I can get them.
 
That is always a good goal to shoot for, you want them as healthy as possible.

I think they will be fine though, they look great to me.

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Yeah, I forgot MG and CA are macro nutes your right, but they are secondary macros, not primary.

MG will normally not effect old growth though.

If you ask me the droopiness is just the weight of the leafs growing so fast, that happens with my plants as well, and the spots are probably from some water drops that causes burning.

If it was a serious deficiency you would see it spread very fast.

7 is fine for pH, my tap water is about 8 and I never have any problems, compost is a great soil buffer.

It is always good to keep things as healthy as possible, but from what I see, the plants are fine.

Plus the plants are going to grow so much in the next 3 weeks you know, it won't even matter.

If the problem isn't getting worse, it is probably just burning from water, or some other freak thing.

If it was a nute problem or insects you would see it getting worse.
 
lurkerguy said:
It is always good to keep things as healthy as possible, but from what I see, the plants are fine..
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The problem is that you can't see much, I can.

If you ask me the droopiness is just the weight of the leafs growing so fast
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It is not droopiness, the leaves are curling.

I'm telling you I have a mg problem, I'm sure of it.
 
Well if you say so, like me/you said I can't see them as close as you can since I am in another area of the world.

Does your soil have lime?

Usually lime will provide you with enough MG.

I know the leafs are curling, I mean the leafs aren't sticking up like I usually see at a angle like this: \/

Did you take the last photo shortly after watering?

See how all the leafs in the photo are standing at attention, but then the plants in the bottom right you see a problem with, the leafs are kind of hanging down?

That is what I meant.
 
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lurkerguy said:
See how all the leafs in the photo are standing at attention, but then the plants in the bottom right you see a problem with, the leafs are kind of hanging down?
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You are talking about another plant. I had just rotated it so the leaves still have to adjust to where the light is coming from, it's the plant right next to that one. But blah blah blah. :D Things are still as they were yesterday, don't see any more yellowing or curling.

Threw 2 males away today, both were still in the 2 litre pots, gives some extra room for the other 2 in the 2 litre pots, one of them looks female, other looks male (with emphasis on "looks"). For now it looks like there's more females than males, but I'm gonna wait untill I see real balls, not those tiny little things which I'm not completely sure of.
 
It is so funny, no matter how many times you grow, you are always super paranoid.

I always bring in a good crop, but no matter what every time I grow I am always thinking it is going to be a failure, or the plants just will die right away.

For me it is like you never can breath until harvesting day, and even then you are checking every 5 minutes thinking you will have mold hehe.

Man haha.

Maybe it is just me, but that is how I get.

If I ever did have a serious problem I would probably have a heart attack.

I look forward to my crops so much I couldn't stand if something bad happened to them.
 
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