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Tested pure molly but still got burned..wtf?

Penthos

Penthos

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So I bought some molly on Mar 19, took it home, measured out approx 100mg, bombed it and waited an hour.

Started to feel something close to a slight intoxication but nothing definitive so I waited another 30 mins before making a conclusion. After the wait I felt the same minor intoxication so I measured out about 75mg more and railed it. Hurt like the dickens but I got 'er down and went onto the PC to wait for it to kick in. 30 minutes later I was just slightly more "intoxicated" feeling. Very drowsy. Kind of like drinking 1, and only 1, beer after working all day. Had never done DXM but from reports I'd read I assumed I was sold DXM instead. Ended up just going to bed, pissed off that I'd been burned by the dealer.


So I spent all day Sunday and today cursing the name of my dealer to all my friends then I got home today and found that my test kit had finally arrived! Happy times, indeed! 1st thing I did was test the substance I'd obtained.

And I'll be damned if all three tests didn't result in apparently high-quality MDMA. The test result are as follows:

Mecke - Instantly dark green to ultra-dark blue in less than 5 seconds. Very bubbly reaction .Bubbling started immediately after color change and persisted for approx. 5 seconds before tapering off in violence.

Simons - Went from pale yellow (base colour of reagent) to sky-blue within 6 seconds. No additional changes/effects after 1 minute.

Marquis - Went from clear to violently bubbling and turning black in no more than 3 seconds. Small tendril of smoke at about the 2 or 3 second mark. Bubbling slowed down after 6 or 7 seconds.


Now, after a tonne of research online I haven't found anything to suggest that this material would be anything other than a high-MDxx content powder. From what I understand the violence of the bubbling in the Marquis and Mecke tests suggests a fairly high ratio of MDxx to cutting agents.

I need some opinions guys cause I'm stumped. I find this whole situation to be quite comical, really lol. Did I just not take enough the night I got it? I've heard that pure MDMA is quite sedating.



PS - I know tolerance isn't an issue. I've rolled 4 times prior to Mar 19th and the most recent time was Jan 8th :p The times before that were spaced reasonably apart.

PPS - The "molly" I have is a pure white powder. Looks very fine until the powder is spread, out of the bag. Then the powder becomes very large for it's weight but not clumpy. Tasted like rotten lemons dipped in salt.
 
Penthos said:
Marquis - Went from clear to violently bubbling and turning black in no more than 3 seconds. Small tendril of smoke at about the 2 or 3 second mark. Bubbling slowed down after 6 or 7 seconds.
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According to both the DanceSafe and EXTest website, what you described for the Marquis test is the reaction the test has to DXM, NOT the reaction to MDMA.

"MDxx - purple to black
DXM - grey to black, releases a slight bit of smoke" - DanceSafe Website

The picture on the EZTest website shows white to black for DXM and a dark blue/purple color from MDMA

Penthos said:
Tasted like rotten lemons dipped in salt.
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From my personal experience, this is NOT what MDMA tastes like. Not at all.

My guess would be that this was DXM, since that's what you Marquis test concluded, probably mixed with some MDMA, but definitely not pure MDMA.
 
My little color chart thing that came with my kit shows otherwise. Wish I could find a pic on the net of this reference card >.<

But I'll test again once I get home to confirm.
 
Well the reference card must be flawed, as I would expect DanceSafe and EXTest to be reliable sources.
 
Are you on any medication? SSRI's are supposedly supposed to render MDMA ineffective from what i hear.

Also, did you eat beforehand? That seems to take away from the experience too, it did for me, at the very least it slows the come up to 1hour+.

Itherwise, the other reagents show that its not Dxm, or rather, Dxm+ MDMA?

I've had Dxm before, downed a bottle of Robotussin, but that was 360mg, and definitely a different feeling from MDMA.
 
So I realize that I may seem like a noob and that, as a noob, I could surely have mistaken the test. Hence why I felt it necessary to repeat the entire battery of tests (and testing with marquis a 3rd time).

DXM

Why is DXM sold as MDMA?
DXM is sometimes sold as MDMA for several reasons:

* DXM is legal, inexpensive, and widely available. In most countries, DXM is available over the counter. The methods used to extract DXM from a source are not nearly as difficult or dangerous as the methods used to produce MDMA. Moreover, MDMA manufacture/possession is entirely illegal, and many of its precursors are very difficult to obtain.
* At low doses, DXM can cause effects that a n00b may deem to be Ecstasy-like, resulting in them believing that they bought a good pill. In particular, the increased sensitivity to touch, etc. and mild visual hallucinations may cause a user to believe that they bought a good pill, and perhaps take more pills in order to boost the effects. This may lead to a very unpleasant experience, as a higher-dose DXM trip does not resemble the effects of MDMA.
* DXM produces a reaction to the Marquis reagent that may be confused with an MD__ reaction. MDMA will cause the reagent to quickly go to purple/black, and DXM will first smoke a bit, then slowly go to grey/black. Not only is the end colour very similar, but test samples have been know to smoke a bit if the sample has a very high MDMA content. If the test is performed in poor or erratic lighting conditions (as may be the case at a party), the reactions are even easier to confuse.
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I JUST retested my sample with Marquis just to alleviate any confusion. My sample went from clear to black with a small tuft of vapor within 4 seconds. 20 seconds later sample was very dark purple/black. Had a solid white testing surface with full-spectrum flourescent lighting overhead (ie Kitchen).

misterpicky said:
Are you on any medication? SSRI's are supposedly supposed to render MDMA ineffective from what i hear.

Also, did you eat beforehand? That seems to take away from the experience too, it did for me, at the very least it slows the come up to 1hour+.
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I'm not on any medications of any sort :( Aside from the odd psychedelic, I'm as clean as a whistle. Don't even smoke anymore :D And my stomach was [begrudgingly] empty that evening. The last food that was ingested was pizza approx 8 hours previous.

PS - Sorry for the wrong sub-forum, mods :( I was 50/50 on which sub-forum I should've posted in.
 
Penthos said:
DXM

I JUST retested my sample with Marquis just to alleviate any confusion. My sample went from clear to black with a small tuft of vapor within 4 seconds. 20 seconds later sample was very dark purple/black. Had a solid white testing surface with full-spectrum flourescent lighting overhead (ie Kitchen).
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From what you've said I highly doubt that it was pure enough MDMA to make the test smoke, if it were, you would have been rolling balls. Your stuff is most likely DXM and MDMA.
 
Makes sense to me. Thanks for the replies. Wish simple amphetamine were a more cost-effective cutting agent >.< Fuckin hate DXM.
 
Just received my new higher-quality scale so I decided to measure out what I knew would be a good strong roll for me, if the substance was indeed pure'ish. This amount = about 175mg for me. Decided to go this high due to the fact that I knew from my last test that this substance is definitely not super-active and I had taken what I knew to be no lower than 150mg before.

Also had a better mindset going into this experience. Last time my mind was filled with "I just rode around the city on public transit for 3 hours, paid $80, and bought shit" mentality. Entered today's experiment with much more positive mindset. So far I can definitely feel MDMA :D


This is good news but the reason I'm updating this thread is just to remind people that a test kit will not show potency well at all. Remember my testing kit reacted violently, which I thought was a sign that this was of high potency. Clearly this is not the case. I'm rolling now lightly off of 175mg. I'm still bummed that my substance was so insanely cut to increase profit but at least I wasn't completely ripped off.

Peace out :D

-edit- Oh and for what it's worth I did some extensive research on the effects of DXM and I feel none of those effect right now. It may still be cut with it but perhaps there's a threshold where DXM becomes less apparent and the MDMA overtakes the high?
 
Reagent testing is a very inaccurate testing method... but its simple and cheap enough for home use... it is meant only to assist in identifying suspected chemicals... even pure chemicals can produce unexpected results due to countless variables in the testing proceduress and conditions... additionally, multiple agents mixed together often give the appearance of only one of the chemicals, sometimes its a result that resembles a completely different chemical... if I'm expecting mdma, I perform in this order, marquis, mecke, mandelin, simons, robadpe... I am awaiting delivery of my new style EZtest kits that have new tests for pipes, and others... but yea if anything in my testing order doesn't give me the perfect mdma results I expect, I don't consume or in any way distribute it... I mayor may not perform more or repeat tests to try to hypothesize its composition... but without gcms testing nobody can be sure or such things...I'm pretty excited to try the new tests on some known pipes and RCs and record the results... :)
 
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How much sample are you using in yourr tests...

Try making a "2 drop puddle" and then scaping just the tiniest amount at the edge of the puddle so you can see more the intensity and spread of the color.... if you just dump a drop on a pile you'll get stong reactions even with very low content....
 
sakura.summers said:
According to both the DanceSafe and EXTest website, what you described for the Marquis test is the reaction the test has to DXM, NOT the reaction to MDMA.

"MDxx - purple to black
DXM - grey to black, releases a slight bit of smoke" - DanceSafe Website

The picture on the EZTest website shows white to black for DXM and a dark blue/purple color from MDMA



From my personal experience, this is NOT what MDMA tastes like. Not at all.

My guess would be that this was DXM, since that's what you Marquis test concluded, probably mixed with some MDMA, but definitely not pure MDMA.
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fizzing smoke is from a HCL salt. Pure MDMA from my experience fizzes but turns instant black
 
Mecke Reagent Testing Kit (Red Label)

If you can only afford a single reagent, this is the one to get. Tests for the presence of MDxx, DXM, opiates, and 2C-T-7. Use Mecke reagent as your primary ecstasy testing kit. Ships in 48-72 hours from time of order.

The Mecke Reagent is a solution of selenious acid in sulfuric acid. Mecke Reagent produces clearly different color results for DXM and MDMA, which is why it is now DanceSafe's preferred reagent for MDMA testing. It can also be used to test for the presence of 2C-T-x variants and certain opiates.

Color reactions:

MDxx - Green turning to blue
DXM - yellow
Codeine/morphine/hydrocodone - very dark bluish green
Oxycodone - Olive
2C-T-x - yellow through red to purple
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http://dancesafe.org/products/mecke-reagent-testing-kit-red-label
 
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