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TriputoryHeadicine

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23 Y/O,130- skinny as all hell (I look like I grew up being starved). I've always been a big eater, organic foods and whole proteins. Was on Test 200mg month from 19-22, wish my DR would have never RXed it, as my growth plates are now fused for sure. That said, I'm not looking to get any taller ^.^

I'm looking to basically kickstart some muscle gains, without being limited by how much my super thin forearms can lift (always limited my gains, always injured before I could make real gains)

Planning to take 100mg EOD Test E, Deca I forgot the intervals, and Masteron as often as I can afford. I decided on Masteron to synergize with the other 2, and take care of the side effects like bloating and gyno. I chose these 3 because I want to look as natural as poss, and be as good to my organs as can be, while making muscle mass and strength gains. My main goal is to make high quality gains that will motivate me to keep working out; I just want to get over this weak hump of my life.

If I could do this naturally it would have been done by now- I've been at this for long enough to know my body isn't going to respond to my natural herbs, supplements, organic-trainer way of life. I'm doing this for my ego. I feel rightfully ashamed of my body right now..I just want to look like other guys my age!

Open to any and all criticisms, tips, and tricks.

Thanks Body Builders!

PS Open to changing the test (Would another form of test be better?) and mast, but the deca is a sure thing.
 
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You cannot get test e at 100mg and inject eod for a start. Your thinking of test p.
Your not ready for a cycle at all, skinny as hell you could deffo do with some carbs in that diet. Fuck if I was to go on a cycle now and you started eating and training like a boss you would probably outdo me your that skinny.
You shouldn't need gear to motivate you, if you have no motivation you shouldn't be in the gym in the first place.
And fuck the organic bullshit, start eating kfcs everyday if its really that hard for you to gain weight... Kfc may be full of shite but also a shitlot of protein (I'm not saying kfc is good diet before I get flamed). You could seriously gain a shitlot if you focused on your diet, you shouldn't just think you eat a lot, your life should revolve around eating, eat until your nearly sick, then eat some more, drink a shake then have another meal.

If you can sort this out here's the answer to the rest of your question.

You have no business adding maestron or deca into a cycle right now. Say your dosing deca, maestron and test e, you start getting gyno (bitch tits), where do you go from here? You don't know which of the 3 is causing your gyno, so you cannot use the specific drugs (cure) for the specific steroid. Each steroid needs different “cures” because of the way it produces its side effects. You won't know which one to use. Also, you won't know which steroid to drop from your next cycle to prevent this happening again.

If you MUST and I'm guessing you will take aas because I did when I was told not to, then here is the only cycle that is in any way, shape or form suitable for you -

Testosterone enanthate 400mg (maybe even lower) a week for no more than 15 weeks
Dianabol 30mg per day for 4 weeks

Nothing more than this is suitable.

In fact I'd ditch the dianabol, it might be a bit much for someone as skinny as you.

Sort ur fucking diet out first please for the love of god. U cud easily gain like 10lb in a few months from diet and proper training alone.
 
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you're 130 pounds, unless you're really short you don't need steroids, you need food

steroids won't magically make you gain weight (well maybe temporary water weight) without food
 
TriputoryHeadicine said:
23 Y/O,130- skinny as all hell (I look like I grew up being starved). I've always been a big eater, organic foods and whole proteins. Was on Test 200mg month from 19-22, wish my DR would have never RXed it, as my growth plates are now fused for sure. That said, I'm not looking to get any taller ^.^

I'm looking to basically kickstart some muscle gains, without being limited by how much my super thin forearms can lift (always limited my gains, always injured before I could make real gains)

Planning to take 100mg EOD Test E, Deca I forgot the intervals, and Masteron as often as I can afford. I decided on Masteron to synergize with the other 2, and take care of the side effects like bloating and gyno. I chose these 3 because I want to look as natural as poss, and be as good to my organs as can be, while making muscle mass and strength gains. My main goal is to make high quality gains that will motivate me to keep working out; I just want to get over this weak hump of my life.

If I could do this naturally it would have been done by now- I've been at this for long enough to know my body isn't going to respond to my natural herbs, supplements, organic-trainer way of life. I'm doing this for my ego. I feel rightfully ashamed of my body right now..I just want to look like other guys my age!

Open to any and all criticisms, tips, and tricks.

Thanks Body Builders!

PS Open to changing the test (Would another form of test be better?) and mast, but the deca is a sure thing.
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All aas(steroids) will do is enhance the gains you receive from your routine(diet, weights, cardio). If you have no base to work with, it won't make a difference. It's like the difference between 1x2 vs 10x2. Alot of people have a false notion that steroids are like wonder pills. Take some and you'll automatically get big. It just doesn't work out that way.


This will give you an example of what to expect when you do aas and have no base. Which is not too much. Guy did Test E 500mg/week, 12 weeks.

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^^^I'm bigger than him naturally. dialed in my diet more so, trimmed off more fat, and still lifting more each week. feels good man.
 
AlmostFamous said:
All aas(steroids) will do is enhance the gains you receive from your routine(diet, weights, cardio). If you have no base to work with, it won't make a difference. It's like the difference between 1x2 vs 10x2. Alot of people have a false notion that steroids are like wonder pills. Take some and you'll automatically get big. It just doesn't work out that way.


This will give you an example of what to expect when you do aas and have no base. Which is not too much. Guy did Test E 500mg/week, 12 weeks.

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Wow. What a fucking waste. He could of achieved those results naturally.
 
You guys are right. Whatever difference you see is only due to the lighting.
 
I forgot to mention..I have Crohns disease; My diet is on lock (friend is a nutritionist; I eat tons of fat and protein- Hemp seeds, hemps seed oil, coconut oil, whey protein, fish, white meats, occasional red meat, daily vegetable juice and spirulina) but my body has a problem assimilating the nutrients. I'm not looking to be a bodybuilder- but to increase my strength and size.

Wouldn't taking Test and Dianabol cause me to bloat? What's the downside of taking nolva and clomid with a cycle? Dianabol looks too heavy for me- high blood pressure and acne are unacceptable to me. Turinabol looks promising, going to look into it.

I don't place high importance on having a 6pack and well defined muscles, just getting quality gains that are as keepable as it gets with AAS, while being as gentle to the body as possible.

Thanks for all the input. I'm going to research each of your suggestions, and welcome continued feedback.
 
nolys said:
Lol he looks no different, like literally no different...
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He was definitely delusional. He had an entire 12 week log so it was a comedy fest from start to finish. It was a perfect example of what happens when you do aas and have no base. The only thing that grew were his nips got puffier.
 
As competitve bodybuilders(?), ya'lls definition of results is diff then someone elses : ) I would be happy with the changes that the guy in the pic had- I can see bigger forearms especially, biceps a bit, and wider shoulders. I'd be happy with those gains. Not looking to become a beefcake. I just want to feel like I'm not 15 anymore... : (

I'm not arguing that it was a waste of money (although maybe it wasn't; maybe he's in my position), and that he could of done that naturally.
 
TriputoryHeadicine said:
I forgot to mention..I have Crohns disease; My diet is on lock (friend is a nutritionist; I eat tons of fat and protein- Hemp seeds, hemps seed oil, coconut oil, whey protein, fish, white meats, occasional red meat, daily vegetable juice and spirulina) but my body has a problem assimilating the nutrients. I'm not looking to be a bodybuilder- but to increase my strength and size.

Wouldn't taking Test and Dianabol cause me to bloat? What's the downside of taking nolva and clomid with a cycle? Dianabol looks too heavy for me- high blood pressure and acne are unacceptable to me. Turinabol looks promising, going to look into it.

I don't place high importance on having a 6pack and well defined muscles, just getting quality gains that are as keepable as it gets with AAS, while being as gentle to the body as possible.

Thanks for all the input. I'm going to research each of your suggestions, and welcome continued feedback.
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Turnibol is an excellent steroid. It's a bit pricey but it has much much less bloat than Dianabol and also has a great recomp effect. It's kind of like Anavar but much more anabolic.

Nolvadex and Clomid isn't used on cycle, it's used for PCT.

If you are looking for lean quality muscle and a cycle that isn't harsh than a you should go for Testosterone and Turnibol along with an AI like Anastrozole to keep bloating from the Testosterone to a minimum and ensure you don't get gyno while on cycle.
 
crazycatman said:
>It's kind of like Anavar but much more anabolic.
And much cheaper :)
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Damn right. You can make a poor man's Anavar cocktail out of Turnibol and Ephedrine. The Turnibol will give you strength, lean mass, and the ephedrine will help burn fat and dry you out with it's diuretic effect. Finally, add some Test and you got a simple but very effective cycle.
 
Hah, Sounds delicious! I love me some ephedra tea. Not as much a such a fan of the extracted alkaloid.

I'm really excited now. This is going to change my life. I'm going to be able to take my shirt of with confidence! Lift people with confidence! Look in the mirror with....ok ya'll get the point ^.^

500 mg Test C per week for 12 weeks, 300 mg Deca per week (weeks 4-12) and Tbol how much and for how long ya'll suggest? Afterwards HCG and what else may be needed? A dr is of course prescribing all these legally for my emaciated frame- but I always get 2nd opinion ; )
 
You are 130 pounds. You shouldn't be on steroids. You have no foundation.

You also have Crohns disease and anabolic steroids cause extreme aggravation of it and flare ups. The body's immune system often mistakes exogenous steroid compounds, especially injectible steroids, as a threat.

Man up and lift. Eat right. And in less than a year you will look fine. You say you want to look as natural as possible anyways so steroids aren't the answer.
 
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