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Test and Anavar cycle *opinions,experiences,Advice*
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crazycatman
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If it's actuall var and dosed correctly 50 mg should be enough, 100mg even better (if you can afford it). But make sure it's from a good source otherwise you're just waiting money.
Personally I like starting the var once the test has started to work since I feel there is a nice synergy between them.
And yeah, test+var is one of my favourite combos, shame var is expensive and often crap (fake, under dosed, ..).
Personally I like starting the var once the test has started to work since I feel there is a nice synergy between them.
And yeah, test+var is one of my favourite combos, shame var is expensive and often crap (fake, under dosed, ..).
Your first cycle is your most important one. Would I use var? No. Not for a first cycle. See how your body reacts to test alone first....experiment with other anabolics later on down the line.
Test alone would be my choice for a first cycle. I don't know your age so I'm not going to get into specifics. But IMHO, anything less than 500mg of test a week is a waste. Post more stats like your age and BF%....as well as your training experience.
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Test alone would be my choice for a first cycle. I don't know your age so I'm not going to get into specifics. But IMHO, anything less than 500mg of test a week is a waste. Post more stats like your age and BF%....as well as your training experience.
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crazycatman
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@VictorZ06, thanks for noticing that about his test dose. 500-600mg (500 if his test is 250mg/ml and 600 if it's 300mg/ml) per week would definitely better. Definitely agree with you there. Good catch mate.
And op if you're worried about sides from test, don't be. They are one of the easiest steroid sides to combat and highly unlikely to be bad at your lvls or the lvls suggested by VictorZ06. Estrogen sides (gyno, bloat) respond to well to AIs and diet (bloat depends a lot of your diet). DHT sides also respond nicely to finasteride/dutasteride, but it's highly unlikely you'll need them at these doses.
As for Victors other comment about var being unnecessary... that's a harder debate. It will definitely help (assuming it's not some piece of fake crap some sources try to sell as var), doesn't have much sides especially combined with test (it does tend to fuck with cholesterol and liver enzymes so don't take it for too long or too often). But on the other hand it's expensive and isn't really the difference between 'my first cycle sucked' and 'holly crap my first cycle rocked'.
And op if you're worried about sides from test, don't be. They are one of the easiest steroid sides to combat and highly unlikely to be bad at your lvls or the lvls suggested by VictorZ06. Estrogen sides (gyno, bloat) respond to well to AIs and diet (bloat depends a lot of your diet). DHT sides also respond nicely to finasteride/dutasteride, but it's highly unlikely you'll need them at these doses.
As for Victors other comment about var being unnecessary... that's a harder debate. It will definitely help (assuming it's not some piece of fake crap some sources try to sell as var), doesn't have much sides especially combined with test (it does tend to fuck with cholesterol and liver enzymes so don't take it for too long or too often). But on the other hand it's expensive and isn't really the difference between 'my first cycle sucked' and 'holly crap my first cycle rocked'.
I'd rather use var during the summer to help cut and trim any access fat that I may have, at the right dose...it sure does help lean you out and make you more vascular. If it's real...save it for the summer. I don't use var in the winter...I use compounds aimed more towards bulking like deca and drol. I use tren in ALL my cycles, and cutting or bulking really depends on your diet more than the compound being used.
As for a first cycle, var is so mild...I wouldn't bother with it, IMHO. Besides, I personally only respond well to var at doses between 80mg and 100mg ED. Finding legit var and using it at 100mg ED can get rather expensive. IMHO, var is probably the most faked anabolic oral out there. It really is a mild drug....so mild that women use it.
To the OP, I would stick with a test only cycle at first....MAYBE I would have kickstarted of frontloaded with some drol, t prop, or TNE....but since you all ready started, I would bump the dose of your test another 100-200mg EW. Aromasin is a great AI to use....it's stronger than adex. You can get away with adex since you are not using that much gear. Another thing I would consider to prevent testicular atrophy is some HCG. Using it DURING your cycle is better than using it AFTER your cycle. 500iu a week is a common sweet spot. Good luck.
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As for a first cycle, var is so mild...I wouldn't bother with it, IMHO. Besides, I personally only respond well to var at doses between 80mg and 100mg ED. Finding legit var and using it at 100mg ED can get rather expensive. IMHO, var is probably the most faked anabolic oral out there. It really is a mild drug....so mild that women use it.
To the OP, I would stick with a test only cycle at first....MAYBE I would have kickstarted of frontloaded with some drol, t prop, or TNE....but since you all ready started, I would bump the dose of your test another 100-200mg EW. Aromasin is a great AI to use....it's stronger than adex. You can get away with adex since you are not using that much gear. Another thing I would consider to prevent testicular atrophy is some HCG. Using it DURING your cycle is better than using it AFTER your cycle. 500iu a week is a common sweet spot. Good luck.
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Daniel_R
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I assume you got a pct planned out and some a-dex incase of gyno?
DrHiney
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I agree with Victor. If you really want to run an oral during your first cycle, D-Bol is what most use to kick start with and Victor recommended Anadrol. However I would also recommend just Test. This way you can begin to slowly add in other compounds later down the road and see how they effect you (i.e. which ones give you gyno, or other side effects).
I agree with Victor. If you really want to run an oral during your first cycle, D-Bol is what most use to kick start with and Victor recommended Anadrol. However I would also recommend just Test. This way you can begin to slowly add in other compounds later down the road and see how they effect you (i.e. which ones give you gyno, or other side effects).
He should be starting his AI on day one....adex will do fine for a light cycle like this. More complex cycles often call for a suicide AI like aromasin. One or the other will work fine. Many will use adex while on cycle, and aromasin come PCT time. Some HCG would be nice so you can recover faster and not have your balls shrink into the size of raisins. I'd keep nolva on hand in case of gyno. IMHO.
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Personally for a first cycle I'd keep it Test only, every cycle is a learning curve for your next cycle... by adding two compounds you don't have a clue which one is responsible for any side effects you may experience....
Hey V... rather than just jumping on Adex, I've always monitored estrogen levels with blood tests and only added an AI if needed ...
I'd rather prevent a problem than waiting for a problem to inevitably come. I have been using AAS for a very long time, the compounds I use are strong, and my doses are much higher than the average Joe. I use adex during my cycle as it's not as strong as aromasin. Aromasin is for my PCT. I get bloods done once a month, my doc is aware of my lifestyle so he helps me out BIG time. After all, he's my closest friend since we became roommates in collage.
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Maybe in your case it might be appropriate, (not too sure how high you are dosing V).. As far as the OP is concerned I would be inclined to keep it simple and only add what is needed with regards to it being his first cycle, he really should be aware of what effect Testosterone only has, if he is mixing Test plus Adex he has no idea what a base of Test only has, for any future reference...
That was my reasoning V, I prefer to keep things simple, especially when starting out.....
Using an AI in the OP's case still calls for an AI. IMHO, every cycle should contain an AI.
I have seen many guys get gyno from test only cycles because an AI was not used.
Worst case, you may hinder your gains by about 10-15%, and worry less about gyno. An AI is not an anabolic so he will still feel and experience the basic foundation of test alone. I would even suggest the OP to run some HCG @ 500iu a week starting week 2 until PCT as well.
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I have seen many guys get gyno from test only cycles because an AI was not used.
Worst case, you may hinder your gains by about 10-15%, and worry less about gyno. An AI is not an anabolic so he will still feel and experience the basic foundation of test alone. I would even suggest the OP to run some HCG @ 500iu a week starting week 2 until PCT as well.
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I've found gyno can be very person dependant, I've not experienced it in 30 years even on 2500mg/week.. (which is probably not a lot by todays standards)...
I would be concerned about messing with Estrogen levels if I didn't have to, hence regular blood tests so I know whats going on.... But its a personal thing V, I have become a minimalist over the years... but that's what seems to work for me, the one thing you can be sure about it no two people are bound to react exactly the same on any given compounds...
I couldn't agree more brother. My test doses are usually no less than 2gr a week, and I always run a gram of tren EW as well. Looking at the numbers I get when I get blood done, I most certainly need an AI. We are all different like you said. I ran one cycle many years ago without an AI, and I had to whip out the nolva. Never had that problem again when I continued to use an AI in every cycle I ran there after.
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Shit V 2g...... when you are talking anywhere near 2g, especially when on a 19-nor estrogen has to be tightly controlled, would defiantly agree with your protocol....
Best left to you younger fellas....... lol