Terror attack in NYC involving truck.

[David Wooderson]

And the comment about "trump supporters" wanting a race war, i'm referring to the hard right end of his support base who are pushing for the USA to be a "white ethnostate".

There is no part of this country where Trump's support base wants let alone could possibly start any war, what on earth are you watching or reading?

You are getting played from propaganda.

True white supremacists/neo nazis are such a tiny fraction of any populace in this country, they're basically like bigfoot.

no knee-jerk reaction from trump's support base about restricting civilians' ability to stockpile arsenals of military weaponry, or about the threat posed by neo-nazi extremists

Again because there is ZERO threat from American neo nazis why should law abiding citizens be restricted of their constitutional rights?

It is so rude for a foreign voyeur to tell us how to live, I still wonder what your obsession is with our politics, it's not your country.

You are sounding more and more like Stalin every month.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I dont know what you mean. I heard the president call the guy a loser and announce his intent to stop this mad lottery no one heard about until today that led to the terrorist being here....fine by me though not on board to send him to git mo. Send him here!

I'm not aware of what you look like, but i'm not sure why you brought that up anyway; i wasn't addressing you.
I'm talking about trump's double standards.

And the comment about "trump supporters" wanting a race war, i'm referring to the hard right end of his support base who are pushing for the USA to be a "white ethnostate". These people love islamic terrorist attacks, because it gives them an opportunity to lecture people about how we need to halt immigration, ostracise muslims and so forth.

To those people, the victims' suffering is just another emotive leverage point - they don't care that people were killed.
This is obvious if you hold up the response to the other 2 incidents i mentioned; no knee-jerk reaction from trump's support base about restricting civilians' ability to stockpile arsenals of military weaponry, or about the threat posed by neo-nazi extremists.

There is a massive difference in the responses to these murders, and it appears to be related to race.
Trump's leadership is questionable at the best of times, but it's increasingly clear that he doesn't govern for all americans - he governs for the elite, and is shamelessly racist.

It's a very undignified spectacle, and it's disturbing.

 

[spacejunk]

Again because there is ZERO threat from American neo nazis why should law abiding citizens be restricted of their constitutional rights?

Zero threat?
Tell that to the people that have been murdered by nazis this year in the US.

You are sounding more like a troll every post.

 

[spacejunk]

I dont know what you mean. I heard the president call the guy a loser and announce his intent to stop this mad lottery no one heard about until today that led to the terrorist being here....fine by me though not on board to send him to git mo. Send him here!

You haven't heard of the citizenship lottery? Just because you haven't heard of something, doesn't mean "no one" has.
Why is it mad?
Do you even understand what it is? I get the impression you don't.

As for the rest of your post, i can't make much sense of it. You heard the president call someone a loser and...then you sort of trail off.

No comment on the president's failure to show any leadership in regard terrorist incidents that are committed by white people?

I'm really glad trump's crimes are coming to light because i'm so sick of the cognitive dissonance his supporters exhibit.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Dude...I agree....they should have always distinguished the religious terrorist from the political ones. Now that daesh is said to be dead (yet of-baghdad still alive i last read)....same thing.

 

[spacejunk]

Religious and political terrorists are the same thing?
Yep, i agree.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

What do you want from me? Trump is seemingly an idiot. ...im still glad its not her. I did not make the world the way it was.

 

[spacejunk]

I'm agreeing with what you said.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Errrr which part? I said isis is (supposed to be) dead and they are religious terrorists....you could argue the Islamic State was political in nature, not religious, that would be your words though.

 

[Scrofula]

There is no part of this country where Trump's support base wants let alone could possibly start any war, what on earth are you watching or reading? . . . True white supremacists/neo nazis are such a tiny fraction of any populace in this country, they're basically like bigfoot.

For being as rare as bigfoot they sure have . . . a big footprint. You have some kind of device to make posts, I'm sure it's shown you the same images it's shown us.

Is it his phrasing? Like the Simpsons and Fox News, "Not Racist, but #1 with Racists?" Trump is pretty popular with racists.

You [Spacejunk] are sounding more and more like Stalin every month.

Why not Mao? That guy was a poet (srsly)

 

[Foreigner]

I think the U.S. is starting to come apart and this attack is just one of the signs. So was the Vegas attack. When anyone grabs a gun and just starts shooting or drives a truck into innocent people, society is entering a period of serious derangement. These people represent the utter extreme version of a system-wide illness that's not being addressed. It's not guns, it's not who the President is... those are all just symptoms. The problem runs deeper. America is experiencing a cultural identity crisis combined with a government who's all too willing to monopolize upon it.

I live in Canada and although we have our problems, I could not imagine what it must feel like to hear about these shootings and attacks on a regular basis. I'm thinking back to the massacre at the Ecole Polytechnique in Quebec in 89, or the FLQ crisis in the 60's... these were HUGE events. It affected the course of Canadian history deeply and scared to crap out of everyone. But to have massacres and senseless deaths happen so frequently as to become numbingly routine... something is very wrong.

Europe and Canada are watching and all we can do is cringe and shake our heads. Seriously, how hard is it to get control of your country? If people weren't so polarized, it would happen instantly. The right laws would be implemented overnight. But you can't do that now. It's too late.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

White man kills 58 people in Vegas, and Trump tells us that it isn't the time to talk about gun control.

Immigrant mows down eight people in New York, and Trump wants to talk about immigration control right away.

 

[spacejunk]

^ it's hypocrisy pure and simple. Tempered with bigotry, of course.

You seem to judge very highly based on internet reports and MSM, you're not American nor do you live here, why do you care so much?

What makes you assume i'm not american? You don't know anything about me.
Events in america affect the whole world, and national divisions are artificial anyway.
I inhabit the world; if you want to restrict yourself to domestic issues, a domestic outlook and a totally insular view of "foreigners", that's your prerogative.
Why do i care so much? Because i'm not an apathetic person, i care about what's happening in the world, and i care about people, not just myopic tribalism.

I don't feel the need to justify myself to you, but it is interesting to offer you a perspective you don't seem to be exposed to very much.

Now, you've described the media you presume i'm informed by - and i'm going to do the same and guess that you are informed by fox news and other angry-old-man-get-off-my-fucking-lawn-worldview news channels, along with a few outrage-for-profit right-wing conspiracy sites like breitbart and infowars.
Am i close?

I love living in a harmonious, diverse, pluralist society rather than one that condemns people for lives they were born into.
I think a lot of the people who advocate 'western values' (especially in contrast with their perception [right or wrong] of islam as a force of pure oppression) miss the fact that what makes 'the west' a good place to live is the fact we are a diverse society with liberties that include freedom of religion.
Trump isn't an american hero for his anti-muslim, anti-migrant stance - he's actually taking a shit on your constitution (and then telling you it doesnt stink).

The nazis tell us that "multiculturalism" has failed, but they've not really provided any examples of monocultures - or any empire ever that hasn't failed.
No society is perfect, because society isn't perfect - but that's no excuse for xenophobia.

I think the U.S. is starting to come apart and this attack is just one of the signs. So was the Vegas attack. When anyone grabs a gun and just starts shooting or drives a truck into innocent people, society is entering a period of serious derangement. These people represent the utter extreme version of a system-wide illness that's not being addressed. It's not guns, it's not who the President is... those are all just symptoms. The problem runs deeper. America is experiencing a cultural identity crisis combined with a government who's all too willing to monopolize upon it.

I think you're absolutely right; great post.
This is a systemic issue, and i think it's important to think about it, and talk about it, rather than just presuming to know exactly what causes terrible things like this to happen.
Shutting off discussion, and shutting off analysis - and simply claiming to know what the problem is - seems like a good way to perpetuate everything that is wrong and dysfunctional.

 

[JessFR]

I think the U.S. is starting to come apart and this attack is just one of the signs. So was the Vegas attack. When anyone grabs a gun and just starts shooting or drives a truck into innocent people, society is entering a period of serious derangement. These people represent the utter extreme version of a system-wide illness that's not being addressed. It's not guns, it's not who the President is... those are all just symptoms. The problem runs deeper. America is experiencing a cultural identity crisis combined with a government who's all too willing to monopolize upon it.

I live in Canada and although we have our problems, I could not imagine what it must feel like to hear about these shootings and attacks on a regular basis. I'm thinking back to the massacre at the Ecole Polytechnique in Quebec in 89, or the FLQ crisis in the 60's... these were HUGE events. It affected the course of Canadian history deeply and scared to crap out of everyone. But to have massacres and senseless deaths happen so frequently as to become numbingly routine... something is very wrong.

Europe and Canada are watching and all we can do is cringe and shake our heads. Seriously, how hard is it to get control of your country? If people weren't so polarized, it would happen instantly. The right laws would be implemented overnight. But you can't do that now. It's too late.

I think the other countries should fuck off.

I've noticed again and again that foreigners just do not understand it. They don't understand the social complexities and realities in American culture not to mention the legal realities. Now that's not to say we should or shouldn't do this or that. I just don't like people expressing opinions about situations they don't fully comprehend.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

No one gives a fuck their color but those who see that.

White man kills 58 people in Vegas, and Trump tells us that it isn't the time to talk about gun control.

Immigrant mows down eight people in New York, and Trump wants to talk about immigration control right away.

 

[Scrofula]

I guess the ones who see it are the president and all his supporters.

Seriously, what's your explanation for why if I bring up gun control after the worst single-perp mass murder (non bomb) in US history, I'm disgusting for politicizing and exploiting their deaths, but

after a guy with a truck mows down bicyclists, it's time to take serious action on a class of people?

Don't tell me it's about Islam either when most muslims live outside the "middle east".

They don't understand the social complexities and realities in American culture . . . I just don't like people expressing opinions about situations they don't fully comprehend.

I agree. It's why I keep my opinion quiet in other threads, my true feelings about someone who thinks a minor deserves to get shot dead for walking across the grass. I don't comprehend that worldview, and don't want to.

 

[JessFR]

I agree. It's why I keep my opinion quiet in other threads, my true feelings about someone who thinks a minor deserves to get shot dead for walking across the grass. I don't comprehend that worldview, and don't want to.

Fuck you. I repeatedly said he didn't deserve it and you take that and call it my world view.

Fuck... You..

 

[cduggles]

 

[JessFR]

He had it coming. Such an extreme perversion of what I said warrants nothing less than a fuck you.

 

[Kittycat5]

I think the U.S. is starting to come apart and this attack is just one of the signs. So was the Vegas attack. When anyone grabs a gun and just starts shooting or drives a truck into innocent people, society is entering a period of serious derangement. These people represent the utter extreme version of a system-wide illness that's not being addressed. It's not guns, it's not who the President is... those are all just symptoms. The problem runs deeper. America is experiencing a cultural identity crisis combined with a government who's all too willing to monopolize upon it.

I live in Canada and although we have our problems, I could not imagine what it must feel like to hear about these shootings and attacks on a regular basis. I'm thinking back to the massacre at the Ecole Polytechnique in Quebec in 89, or the FLQ crisis in the 60's... these were HUGE events. It affected the course of Canadian history deeply and scared to crap out of everyone. But to have massacres and senseless deaths happen so frequently as to become numbingly routine... something is very wrong.

Europe and Canada are watching and all we can do is cringe and shake our heads. Seriously, how hard is it to get control of your country? If people weren't so polarized, it would happen instantly. The right laws would be implemented overnight. But you can't do that now. It's too late.

So I guess the Europe that cringes at us is coming apart too since they had, what 4 or 5 of these attacks already? Jfc, we arent having a cultural identity crisis our politicians and whole political system is failing us.