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Terence Mckenna and his ideas today

I hear a lot about Terence's extensive DMT use but did he experiment much with Salvia divinorum, Ibogaine, Amanita muscaria, MG/Rivea? And did he dabbled much in synthetics? I wondered how he'd have liked stuff like DPT, the 2Cxx's, MDxx's, DOxx's, 4-Acetoxy's, 4-HO's, etc.
 
^^^ Salvia Divinorum grew all over Terence's property in Hawaii, although I haven't heard him speak much about it other than to affirm that it is extremely weird. I don't think he liked Amanita Muscaria very much, he described an unpleasant body load and expressed doubt about Wasson's identification of Soma as Amanita. (Terence thought Soma was a psilocybe mushroom, predictably.) I believe his first psychedelic experience was with Morning Glories.

I remember reading/hearing that he was quite underwhelmed by MDMA. But I too have often wondered what he would think of things like DPT, 4-ho-mipt, DOM, etc.
 
Hehe. If he experienced psychsosis several times then that would qualify as schizophrenia unless they were drug-induced. Either way being an articulate nutter is what secured him a vacancy in the Druggy Hall of Fame
 
^The 'psychosis' was drug induced via mushrooms. Read ze books, they are excellent. But yeah, psychosis doesn't= schizophrenia anyway....
 
As many other blighters have mentioned, I think that mckennas greatest "contributions" to us all is that he gave us the permission to push the bounderies of thought in general. Rarely if ever did he say his theories or ideas were proven scientific fact, in fact i believe the exact opposite was true of him.

His brother dennis once said: "my brother has the gift of blarney as few individuals do". He was able to take his experiences and expound upon them until they at least touched upon possibility. And utmost of all, he was a story-teller. I doubt his objective was to "change" scientific thought, rather it was to open a forum of discussion of "being" in general.

Just as a side thought, he realized (as i have come to) that its not whether or not his ideas could be proven by any standard such as science or language or spirituality even, but just ideas in general. I am positive that someday much of what he was said and thought will be realized as a more real and possible fact.

Overall, i think he was a great guy who did much for not only the psychedelic community, but for anyone who has the audacity and energy to question and attempt to answer the insane and often random happenings of everyday human life. The man had the gift for sure.
 
Mckenna was a visionary in the truest sense, always he found very interesting and entertaining ways to connect the mind to the external universe and the place of psychedelics as important tools.
 
I think the humans-are-mushrooms thing might be true though. we are fairly mushroom-like bastards, after all. also, panspermia is being looked into fairly seriously nowadays. also, there really is a giant plant mind that is like a god, I believe. his ideas were really just westernized regurgitations of ancient primitive knowledge.
 
I don't take many of Mckennas ideas that seriously but I think he made a wonderful contribution to entheogen literature. He was a great intellect and a funny guy.
 
I don't see him or his brother as saints, revolutionaries, or as doing good things for entheogens as some people do here. I also don't see Timothy Leary in the same way either as he did more harm for LSD than good.

A friend of mine that is very involved with Ayahuasca in legal religious ceremonies says how the McKenna brothers are disrespectful to the ancient ways of ritualistic use of entheogens and how they do not respect the plants/admixtures/religion of Ayahuasca and other entheogens like mushrooms/cacti, and DMT snuffs like Yopo.
 
I don't think leary did more harm than good. They were going to make LSD illegal whatever Leary did.

I think following human customs for ingesting entheogens is disrespectful to the plant. The plant is your teacher - not some other human from another culture who happens to also take it. The plant is the key - not the human traditions around it.
 
yeh I mean, anyone who takes those ancient "thingies" (for want of a better word) to appropriate their own new-fangled new-agey best-sellers and youtube videos is being kind of a 'tard, really. I've become fairly skeptical of fame in general. but still, what few good ideas he or Leary had are still at the top of their class as far as western interpretations go.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I don't see him or his brother as saints, revolutionaries, or as doing good things for entheogens as some people do here. I also don't see Timothy Leary in the same way either as he did more harm for LSD than good.

A friend of mine that is very involved with Ayahuasca in legal religious ceremonies says how the McKenna brothers are disrespectful to the ancient ways of ritualistic use of entheogens and how they do not respect the plants/admixtures/religion of Ayahuasca and other entheogens like mushrooms/cacti, and DMT snuffs like Yopo.
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That sounds about right; Terence did mention multiple times in his writings and speeches that ritual is pointless and rather blind. Unless certain physical and mental compnonets of a situation are utterly essential (say- screaming while hanging desperately off a cliff) then its ritual. You see people do it in all walks of life; society is a ritual. The aya users your referring to; what gives them a stranglehold on the way the beverage or related beverages are used? It sounds similar to Christian beliefs where discussing god is akin to blesphemy. Ayahuasca, as a medicine/drug, is available to all humanity- if a church wants to dispute that, fuck them. Ayahuasca isn't as fussy, not being human with human predjudice and bias and all :\ B. caapi will inhibit MAO- DMT will cause hallucinations, regardless of the context.

Incidentally, I find the idea of an organised ayahusca religion like the UDV or Santo Daime` very very distasteful.
 
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