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Terence Mckenna and his ideas today

^Thats sad news my friend about your sister, my condolences for what its worth. :(

I'm not sure why you'd get signed out....could be your browser. If it keeps happening ask old Felix in Support....
 
I think TM's ideas are more proven nowadays than ever, especially the singularity theory part. The only problem is he added on an elf-like voice and an obsession with aliens into the mix. but hey, 'tis all in good fun.
 
it would be nice to be able to abandon all work obligations and suspend the government, do away with television and alcohol, and be able to sit down with Leary and Hofman and McKenna and just eat mushrooms and acid and mescaline and smoke DMT. We'd be a more advanced society in a matter of hours...

:D
 
^ Riiiiiiight. Everyone can be delusional and happy forever! This talk annoys me. You'll never hear an alcoholic or speedfreak talk about how their drug of choice would save society from all its ills. Delusions of grandeur!
 
Changed said:
who are you to define delusional?

Haha. Here we go again. Mind altering drugs tend to....you know...make you think some things that aren't necessarily true. Sometimes its a bit more obvious that other times. If you've never come to this realization I can't help you. Saying all of society should take powerful serotonin agonists is as dumb as saying if everyone smoked pot the world would be a better place. You can't get something for nothing.
 
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3 guys spit 4gs of zooms, in tea youtube watching shapeshifting shit and I foud a drug on the internet. Literally just looked at the screen and it multiplied my high by like 100X. Made 20 tabs of acid look like childs play. I still wonder what that was. Try and find it if you can.... beware my friends.
 
demons said:
I think some of McKenna's ideas are absolutely brilliant. And I think some of his ideas are completely stupid and ridiculous. He's the only guy I have this opinion about! (most of the time everything a smart person says is more or less smart, and everything a stupid person says is more or less stupid)

I'll start with the one I think is stupid, TimeWave Zero and the acceleration of time and the end of the world at 2012 and all this stuff. Basically everything he was working on the last 5 years of his life. All this stuff is totally irrational and not based on evidence, a real departure from his previous genius that I find regrettable because it stops people from finding out about his really interesting ideas. It's still hard for me to believe a man whose intelligence I admire championed a doomsday hypothesis... how embarrassing. And sadly this idea has enjoyed some success in the psychedelic community. Other people have written books connecting psychedelics to a 2012 apocalypse, such as Daniel Pinchbeck. In an area of life so important for human health, and so crippled by lies and superstitions, another piece of irrationality was really the last thing we needed.

Now for what I like about him. First his ability to cogently describe the experience and give "Trip Reports" is very, very impressive, especially to someone who reads a lot of trip reports on Erowid and sees how incoherent most of them are. Absolutely classic is his description of his first DMT experience. And all of his descriptions of his interactions with "The Mushroom" as he calls it are edifying.

The best thing he did, in my view, is the theory about the origin of human consciousness that he puts forth in his book Food of the Gods. The idea that mushrooms, with their remarkable tendency to increase neuronal connectivity and engender creative expression, were responsible for the sudden explosion in the size of hominid brains (the single biggest mystery in evolutionary biology), is an idea that has occurred to many people, but the way McKenna put it down and supported it with archaeological evidence was a tremendous contribution. I don't know any mainstream biologist who has put forth an explanation even remotely plausible for the sudden swelling of the human brain, which happened in just a few seconds in evolutionary time scales, McKenna's is the only one that is consistent with the evidence. And of course his theory is completely ignored by mainstream evolutionary biology. Which is really astonishing when you think about it - just because the government made a certain plant illegal, scientists with less courage than McKenna simply refuse to even consider it in their theories! I defy any biologist to look at his evidence and not be convinced.

I've also gotten a ton of interesting other ideas from him about drugs and society. The idea that culture essentially brainwashes you and controls you and psychedelics are the way to free yourself from cultural programming. The idea of foods and drugs not being separate categories, but just different phases along the same spectrum, different types of the same thing, substances that interact with the body. And lots of other interesting ideas! McKenna is my favorite psychedelic writer, I like how his approach is scientific yet openminded. But my favorite thing about him is just the clarity with which he describes the completely strange and unusual experiences he's had with psychedelics.


am i the only one who thinks shrooms being responsible for the sudden increase in brain size is just as a ridiculous as his ideas about 2012?

anyway i like terence mckenna. he had a lot of ideas i don't agree with though but i don't hold it against him because i think he meant well. unlike timothy leary, who i think was pretty damn selfish and an egomaniac.
 
burn out said:
am i the only one who thinks shrooms being responsible for the sudden increase in brain size is just as a ridiculous as his ideas about 2012?
It's not a coincidence that the brain looks like some sort of very malformed mushroom you know.
And the Universe will end in 2012 for a fact, but I've bet $100 that it won't just to be on the safe side and get out on top if it doesn't happen.

Anyway thinking creatively with and about things that cannot be proven or debunked is one thing, but treating those constructs as truth is a different matter.
Labeling that practice "insanity" seems sorta valid, though "stupidity" covers it just as well and seems less unfriendly.
In other words I liked Terence but I also think he was an idiot.
It seems likely that he was instrumental in bringing Cubensis to the masses and kudos for that but his other work is sorta indistinguisable from drooling insane rants to me.

Or, you're not alone in thinking the things you mention ^^. :)
 
burn out said:
am i the only one who thinks shrooms being responsible for the sudden increase in brain size is just as a ridiculous as his ideas about 2012?

No. Not at all, I think its a fairly unlikely scenario....intriguing though. Personally I think Graham Hancock puts forth a better argument in his book "Supernatural Meetings With The Ancient Teachers of Mankind"- an awesome read.

anyway i like terence mckenna. he had a lot of ideas i don't agree with though but i don't hold it against him because i think he meant well. unlike timothy leary, who i think was pretty damn selfish and an egomaniac.

I like them both, Terence for his outright weirdness and how articulate he was, and Leary for at least having a go at changing things.
 
Terence was amazing. I would give anything to go back in time and have a conversation with the guy.
 
Feels said:
Terence was amazing. I would give anything to go back in time and have a conversation with the guy.

just smoke some DMT/Salvia, eat some acid/shrooms and you should be able to carry on a lengthy conversation with him ;)
 
^Exactly....he was a story teller, not a scientist as you aptly point out. And stories have a lot of power; think about that one- er, The Bible- it has been somewhat influenctial one could say.

I think Terences greatest contribution was giving 'us' permission to go off the deep end, in terms of abstract psychedelic thought, and not be alarmed by it- thinking, introspection, imagining, insight, delusions- sometimes all these get very odd when tripping, but they are worthy of discussion-very fucking worthy- and by his being open about seeing elves, UFO's, speaking to mushrooms- its good for the younger psychedelic-head to realise that a grown human also experienced such phenomena- experienced and integrated it. At least, reading his work helped me come to terms with my more alien psychedelic experiences.
 
I agree totally. I know at first when I started being interested in the subject of psychedelics and wanted to read and hear as much as I could about them, some of the stuff I heard sounded SO out there... when I first listened to Terence's recordings I was a bit put off by the talk of self-transforming elf-machines of hyperspace, the ascentotic pace of novelty in the universe, a singularity happening in 2012, etc. But then I actually did psychedelics, and most of it makes sense to me... even if I reject a few of his theories I still admire them for what they are (theories...ideas.. not scientific fact), and don't get that confused "what-the-fuck-is-he-talking-about" look on my face upon hearing them anymore.
 
i had a trip that changed my life forever
then met that mckenna
which at first, i thought it was a girl's name...hehe
read some hazardous quote
then ended up with one of his audio lecture
and basically, i felt in love with him
man was that welcome
to hear someone who got so much far away from it all

you know, you'r a kid and you buy into all this stuff but a part doesn't,,,
and then you do psychedelic...
..
and then it all makes sense
but you ain't seeing it on tv or in most books or philosophy class...
"The revolution will not be televised."

well this is very journal entry like but

ive meet mckenna just at the right time
and i got it
he told a story
and it was pleasing to ear



for me its like
you are your own individual
and all this capitalism
religion
moral
science
..stuff
well it all might make sense but not as much as you being yourself and believing in wtf you are believing in
boundary dissolver FTW and indeed

mckenna was a well spoken meme that was reassuring me that :
"hdisdshhudafhdsafhioafshiuafshi"
craziness if often closer to what its all about then the linear secure boredom that everyone is buying into
 
Most people connect his time-wave theory with the whole Mayan 2012 thing, and even with the Nibiru theories, but has anyone ever read about the technological singularity? I assume at least some of you have. There are some interesting parallels there as well.

And for the record, I love McKenna. I think he was a simply wonderful person.
 
It sounds like the work Google is doing with cloud computing may give us the infrastructure needed to connect all of society under one meme. To those unfamiliar, cloud computing puts all necessary information onto the internet. The information can be connected to from any piece of hardware with an internet connection. This gives developing nations a presence that has never been scene, since even farmers in the poorest regions of Africa appear to be taking to cell phones. If Google has control over cloud computing then I would imagine the internet's neutrality will be preserved. I have read that the technology is expected to be implemented by 2009 I believe.

The software capable of integrating this information into a universal form may follow far behind. Perhaps not, considering Open source capabilities of undercutting typical barriers posed by software companies trying to squeeze every last dollar out of the market.
 
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