Benzos Temazepam + Quetiapine (Seroquel)

[hh95]

Hey guysI have been in a psychiatric hospital for the last 5 weeks for Methamphetamine Addiction/Detox/Withdrawal and have been clean for 5 weeks :D I was discharged yesterday and was left with about 120mg of Temazepam and 200mg of Quetiapine (Seroquel). Now I have a slight tolerance too Benzos in particular Valium and Temazepam, I was on 5mg Valium 4 times a day for cravings and upto 20mg of Temaz for sleep each night, I was on both for 3-4 weeks and I ceased use of both 2 weeks ago. So the question here is what would be a good starting point to get abit of a buzz out of Temaz? I was sortve thinking along the lines of 50 - 60mg and work from there. However I was also thinking that Seroquel and Temaz would make a good combo? The problem is that Temaz didn't do much for me sleep wise but once I came out of psychosis from detox even 25mg of Seroquel was quiet sedating. I have never really had much of a "buzz" from any benzo as ive never had enough and I am just keen too try it. Any feedback or suggestions would be greatly appreciated even if it is just experience with one and not the other

Once againt thanks fellow bluelighters

 

[Lorne???]

If you take temazepam and seroqeul together, it will just knock you the fuck out.

If I recall, 20mg temazepam = 0.5mg alprazolam/(acute) clonazepam/10mg diazepam?

30-60mg is likely a good starting point, depending on your tolerance. Save the seroquel for sleep.

 

[hh95]

Well that was my combo in hospital.... 20mg of Temaz + 50mg of Seroquel, After psychosis ofcourse 25mg of Seroquel would generally knock me the fuck out but 200mg of Seroquel would get me briefly high with quiet abit of euphoria before knocking me the fuck out. However I was thinking a small dose of Seroquel maybe breaking a 25er in half and taking that with say 40mg of temaz would be worthwhile?

 

[Burnt Offerings]

It's strange, maybe these drugs have paradoxical effects for some users, but to me this question is like asking "hey guys, I just got a bunch of crack rocks and a baggie of crystal meth, how much do I need to smoke in order to get a good night's sleep? Could really use some good sedation right now!"

I've taken temazepam before and thought it was one of the more overrated benzodiazepines I've ever tried, which surprised me because it's supposedly one of the more addictive ones. Never tried Seroquel but from people I know who've been on it (usually bipolar people on a clonazepam/Seroquel regiment) I've heard it turns you into a zombie & is one hell of a hypnotic.

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

...I've taken temazepam before and thought it was one of the more overrated benzodiazepines I've ever tried, which surprised me because it's supposedly one of the more addictive ones...

Whattt where'd you hear that? One of my favorite things about temazepam is it's low incidence of rebound effects\tolerance\addiction etc. It's less potent than things like Alprazolam or Lorazepam, and so the receptors don't internalize as quickly.

But Lorne hit it right on the nose, although I'd say 20mg of temazepam is closer to 15mg of diazepam than 10mg. But yeah, with a small tolerance, 30mg+ will be good. Save the seroquel for actual sleep - it will not make the benzos better, just sleepier and more "blah".

 

[Lorne???]

^^^ Funny, a lot of people say it's more 5-7.5mg diazepam. For me the benzo charts are pretty accurate, but I think they should distinguish between "chronic" and "acute" clonazepam, and also give ranges for the more variable ones.

Then again, I love charts.

I'd say temazepam is almost universally more "abusable" than lorazepam, what with it's faster onset and shorter duration. Don't understand why it is more strictly controlled than other benzo's in some countries(the UK, for example) I mean it's not like it has some special property that makes it a super benzo or something.

 

[hh95]

Thanks for the feedbackguys, gonna give it a whirl tonight anyways. Just gonna have my normal 25mg Seroquel and 30 or 40 temaz. I dare say it will just knock me out. But time will tell I guess. If that doesn't work I will just have 50 or 60 temaz by itself in a couple days and see how it goes.

 

[Lorne???]

Dude, seroquel doesn't get you "high", at that low of a dose it's essentially a super antihistamine/hypnotic.

Certainly don't take more than 25mg, otherwise you're wasting your benzos.

Agree with the dose of temazepam, though. Enjoy.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Whattt where'd you hear that?

I tried looking for the source of where I read that, but was unable to find it. Perhaps I mistook it for triazolam, which the "benzodiazepine misuse" article on Wikipedia cites as having the highest rate of self-administration among "cocaine-trained baboons" (there's a great user title if there ever was one).

also found this interesting bit on the talk page:

http://www.medicalboard.act.gov.au/Standards Statements/docs/benzodiazepines.pdf

According to PDF page 5 of this article, in order of abuse potential, according to Darke, Ross & Hall, the abuse potential of benzodiazepines is in order of flunitrazepam, diazepam, oxazepam, clonazepam, and then temazepam.

Why then does the article claim that temazepam is a particularly problematic benzodiazepine, to wit: "temazepam rated significantly higher than other benzodiazepines"?

The abuse of temazepam preparations in the UK would appear to be due moreso to their availability (a relatively safe, and commonly prescribed hypnotic drug, with limited abuse potential) and their form of dosage (gel-cap that can be prepared for IV administration), than an actual psychopharmacological property of the drug.

Also, Erowid's temazepam experience pages would imply that there is little euphoria experienced when using temazepam, as opposed to other benzodiazepines such as diazepam or flunitrazepam. In fact, most of the drug experiences reported to that website are expressions of dissappointment.

So, unless someone can direct me otherwise, or adduce evidence that temazepam is intrinsically more euphoric or has a higher abuse potential, I am going to work that claim out of the article, as the source cited does not support that assertion.

Was probably misled by that dumb documentary "Temazepam Wars" on youtube, with people up in Scotland trying to cop temaz like it was crack or something

 

[hh95]

Welll just dosed about 50mg of Temazepam no idea how long ago, maybe an hour I forgot LOL and Had a pint of some strong homebrew and I feel pretty out of it. However its enjoyful, I would call it exactly euphoric but ive lost some motor skills and and my muscles are overly relaxed. Im about too dose 12.5mg of Seroquel and see how that goes hahahaha

 

[hh95]

^^^^^^^^^^^
****I WOULDNT exactly call it euphoric************

 

[Psychonauticunt]

Seroquel will put you to sleep. No use combining it with a benzo for that purpose, though - it should be plenty strong on its own, and is not recreational in its own right.

I'd say temazepam is almost universally more "abusable" than lorazepam, what with it's faster onset and shorter duration. Don't understand why it is more strictly controlled than other benzo's in some countries(the UK, for example) I mean it's not like it has some special property that makes it a super benzo or something.

In the Netherlands it's also Schedule I as opposed to II, which all other benzos are. Despite that status it isn't in any way strictly regulated here; it's one of the most commonly prescribed ones. It's also that's the only benzo I've been offered by my GPs here for insomnia, along with lorazepam, which doesn't work as a hypnotic for me. In Finland temazepam is far and away the most prescribed benzodiazepine.

Apparently there's some studies which indicate it as the most toxic benzodiazepine, but I've also read studies where nitrazepam was found to be the most toxic in overdose, one where it was flurazepam, and more still where it was triazolam. I'd say this probably has a lot to do with whatever drugs are available, though; people will use whatever strong hypnotic benzo they have for suicide or accidental OD via combo with opiates/alcohol. It's pharmacological profile indicates decent abuse potential, fairly rapid absorption and elimination being the key ones, but though significant levels are reached quickly, plenty of other benzos fit this description too, with many working faster. The ones I usually hear of having particularly high abuse potential are alprazolam, diazepam and flunitrazepam.
I think the "epidemic" has a lot to do with the fact that people were trying to shoot them up, a few people got their legs amputated, and there was a big scare.

If your only source was Bluelight, you'd think temazepam was the holy grail of benzos. Everywhere else I get the impression people have rated them as decent, nothing more - certainly nobody's favorite. I've found flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, alprazolam and lormetazepam all a lot more "recreational" (if you can call benzos that) than temazepam; out of 17 benzof I've tried it ranks #10 or so. Lorazepam I do not find abusable at all, but having to suddenly go cold turkey from therapeutic doses after a few months gave me the worst withdrawals I've ever got from any benzo, after a much shorter time and lower doses.

@Burnt Offerings - otherwise that seems about right, but oxazepam? That is pretty much universally agreed to be the least abusable benzo (with the possible exception of chlordiazepoxide). It's only a partial agonist as almost all others are full agonists; it takes about 2-3 hours to come up, and isn't strong in anyone's book.

 

[Lorne???]

^^^ I agree. Everyone I know in the "real world" think temazepam is nothing special, hell some of them view it as a sleeping pill.

I never particularly liked it, but then I never cared much for diazepam either( by itself). It's just that, for legitimate purposes, diazepam doesn't hold long enough, and for recreational purposes, it just isn't strong enough.

Temazepam is a good hypnotic, but that's it. And if I had to guess, triazolam might be the most "toxic", but that is pure speculation. It's really just a matter of circumstance, as you said.

 

[Numb19]

^ Yeah it is a good hypnotic, fantastic during opioid wd for taking at night to sleep.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

@Burnt Offerings - otherwise that seems about right, but oxazepam? That is pretty much universally agreed to be the least abusable benzo (with the possible exception of chlordiazepoxide). It's only a partial agonist as almost all others are full agonists; it takes about 2-3 hours to come up, and isn't strong in anyone's book.

I have never taken oxazepam but so I've heard. I'd actually be interested in taking that one because I like the slow-onset & long-lasting anxiolytics.

But I'd imagine it varies country to country, depending on availability. I think oxazepam is what gets prescribed a lot in Australia. Here in the USA, Xanax is by far the most abused benzodiazepine.