Heroin Tell me about heroin, please.

[Nicholai]

Say what? LMAO

 

[xtcgrrrl]

The world is going to hell in a handbasket of its own making. We see the signs of global warming all the time and choose to bury our heads in the sand. Sure, yeah, blame the cell phone towers, before that it was the microwaves and after this it'll be something else.

People take drugs in this world because they can't cope with reality. They may say they just want to have a good time, but there's so many OTHER ways to have a good time. People who choose drugs just get "stuck" and can't seem to deal with life sober. I'm exhibit A, I've got a loving husband and 3 beautiful kids but I can't stay away from drugs even when I've got no physical pain and my anxiety is at a low ebb, it's just hardwired into me it seems. My only goal is to move away from hardcore drugs and be content with lesser ones, such as Kratom. I hope I get there.

My condolences to you on your loss. But perhaps it might have happened anyway; if not that time, then some other time. I don't know, I'm not optimistic about drug use outcomes.

 

[john24]

Say what? LMAO

As crazy as it all may sound, there are facts to back it up. (just read the link there) The thing is, IF these cell-phone towers do cause brain issues of any sort...it's done very slowly , and ambiently....which is why it's a normal reaction for everyone to think it's crazy. Because the truth of the matter is, nobody and nothing can measure these small changes that occur within us. (and possibly animals and insects as well) There are real documentaries on the issues of bees and cell phone towers.....no bs. It's like people have no patience, or attention span these days... eat, sleep, work....eat, sleep, work. And what little free time people have, almost none is available for the real enjoyment and love of life.

The world is going to hell in a handbasket of its own making. We see the signs of global warming all the time and choose to bury our heads in the sand. Sure, yeah, blame the cell phone towers, before that it was the microwaves and after this it'll be something else.

People take drugs in this world because they can't cope with reality. They may say they just want to have a good time, but there's so many OTHER ways to have a good time. People who choose drugs just get "stuck" and can't seem to deal with life sober. I'm exhibit A, I've got a loving husband and 3 beautiful kids but I can't stay away from drugs even when I've got no physical pain and my anxiety is at a low ebb, it's just hardwired into me it seems. My only goal is to move away from hardcore drugs and be content with lesser ones, such as Kratom. I hope I get there.

My condolences to you on your loss. But perhaps it might have happened anyway; if not that time, then some other time. I don't know, I'm not optimistic about drug use outcomes.

I give you NYC folks props...I feel like I burnt out several years ago...could never handle chaotic city life again. And i'm not even 35 yet. It's like super-stress city that area. Dunno how you guys handle it. It's like everybody's so wired and stressed...which in turn makes you stressed and people around ya stressed as well. Unhealthy living environment, along with the air quality... (alright, enough of my Dr. Phil'n )

Global warming, unknown if that's exactly what's going on. But climate change for sure is going on. The cold spells are colder, the hot spells are hotter, and the storms are more intense than they've ever been.

I've got a loving husband and 3 beautiful kids

You've got a ton to live for. A lot of people here have none of that. Maybe just getting out of that super-stressed environment (moving?) might help with the overwhelming urges. Remember the more stressed out people are, and the environment they live in = result in a much stronger desire for that 'fix'.

Living in a beautiful , peaceful area....is somewhat euphoric on it's own. And the desire ends up being much less to get the 'fix'.

 

[Ksa]

You've got a ton to live for. A lot of people here have none of that.

Guru OSHO Rashneesh said that if you need to constantly remind yourself that a thing is precious because others don't have it, you are bound to envy things others have and you have not. In the end, you get nothing in return from such selfish attitude, especially if you lean towards the havenot side.

It doesn't take effort to have kids, you just slide your dick in. It feels good too. No big achievement. The real achievement is having the ability to love them more than anything and raising them properly.

 

[john24]

Guru OSHO Rashneesh said that if you need to constantly remind yourself that a thing is precious because others don't have it, you are bound to envy things others have and you have not. In the end, you get nothing in return from such selfish attitude, especially if you lean towards the havenot side.

It doesn't take effort to have kids, you just slide your dick in. It feels good too. No big achievement.

I was just trying to be encouraging...

no jealousy or envy here.

 

[tacodude]

what happened to your friend should be a wake-up call.

but instead you seem more fascinated by it....? not good.

Explain how this is encouraging. It was this post that led me to ask for this being closed. She is taking it upon herself to become being aware to avoid the dangers of use by abstaining. It's honestly stupid of mr. S to open an answered thead instead of just deleting the excess posts and lacking this closed.

I'll also point out I'm posting with an android phone so typos happen becausr this keyboard is a pain in the ass so anyone wanting to attack my ability to spell to attack my credibility is an idiot making themself look stupid as it shows they have to result to attacking my credibility as they ran out of opinions to use in conversation.

To the original poster if your still reading this. Your friends death was her fault and not yours. You didn't know what she was doing so there is no way you are responsible even if she was your friends as it was her choice. My only recommendation is to educate yourself and be aware of the dangeres in life, which may save yours or someone else's life one day. IMO the biggest danger is following bad advice.

Anyways I'm gone just want the op to know people care

 

[john24]

Explain how this is encouraging. It was this post that led me to ask for this being closed. She is taking it upon herself to become being aware to avoid the dangers of use by abstaining. It's honestly stupid of mr. S to open an answered thead instead of just deleting the excess posts and lacking this closed.

I'll also point out I'm posting with an android phone so typos happen becausr this keyboard is a pain in the ass so anyone wanting to attack my ability to spell to attack my credibility is an idiot making themself look stupid as it shows they have to result to attacking my credibility as they ran out of opinions to use in conversation.

To the original poster if your still reading this. Your friends death was her fault and not yours. You didn't know what she was doing so there is no way you are responsible even if she was your friends as it was her choice. My only recommendation is to educate yourself and be aware of the dangeres in life, which may save yours or someone else's life one day. IMO the biggest danger is following bad advice.

Anyways I'm gone just want the op to know people care

The guy that's been a member here for a couple months, is trying to tell a Moderator here how to do their job? c'mon man. I was the one to encourage him to re-open it. So blame me all you want.

He did the right thing initially by deleting your posts, and for poo-poo'ing the thread in general.

I'm trying to understand your overly emotional state over nothing here.

It baffles me how YOU think that saying :

what happened to your friend should be a wake-up call.

was not trying to help her. Should I of been like others, and been like "dude, try it out...it's wicked?" Is that what you wanted? Regardless of 'how' I said it, or if you wanted it phrased more 'nicely' , the point is still the same. That's basically what it seems like your all worked up over...is 'how' I said it. For some people 'tough talk' helps...for others it's counter-productive.

Like I said before though...too much over-analyzing.

And near the end of the post, you all of a sudden try to appear sympathetic to the OP. very interesting.

 

[opiatekrzy]

Seeing someone shoot up and just knowing it's gonna go south is very scary, my friend shot up, within mins he was staggering and real stiff and hit the floor blue and purple, we eventually revived him until ambulance came with ice water and slaps in the face out of being scared.i lost 2 friends a few weeks ago from a heroin overdose..they rented a motel together, and we're found dead the next morning..I have a hard time accepting the fact not one of them noticed it in the one person the overdose coming verde them both doing it at the one exact time. ? God how...?? They acted As babysitters yet. Both found dead..

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

Yeah that shit is rough, man. It's tough when you're just watching it happen, seemingly in slow motion, powerless to do anything. You stay in this world long enough, the list of dead friends becomes long.

 

[bdomihizayka]

So a few questions- is it common to not know a heroin user is using?

How expensive is heroin? Compared to weed or alcohol?

And, while I know nobody here can give me details or certainty, what does an overdose usually look like? Would she have been conscious of her death?

Thank you for taking your time to read and reply- I appreciate it.

Some people are homeless addicts who fit the 'junkie' stereotype.... other users completely have their "crap" together and work/ support their family and have a social life. Some people can hide heroin usuage, some people can't.

Heroin is dirt cheap at first, and starts breaking your bank fast because of tolerance issues.

Overdose would be very peaceful to the person it happened to. You don't even know what's going on, you're just out....happened to me 7 times. She went with a smile on her face.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Yeah you just fall asleep. One second you're here feeling high as a kite, then you're just out.

 

[cj]

^^

Yeah you just fall asleep. One second you're here feeling high as a kite, then you're just out.

I could think of worse ways to die that's for sure. Op it sounds to me like your friend was in the beginning stage of her use. It's very possible she wasn't even physically dependent yet. Often that first period is the most dangerous for users as they don't have the experience or the tolerance veteran users gain over time. After awhile tolerance goes up and it becomes expensive to overdose.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

This.

Ironically enough, it's actually more dangerous as far as risk of OD, for the causal user or "chipper", or one who just started and hasn't developed a dependency or strong tolerance yet, then it is for the person who has been using large amounts of heroin every day for years and years.

 

[TwisteTexan]

Threads like this scare some sense back into me...
Thanks.

I cant believe how selfish I have been. Waking up with a pounding headache and cold french fries in my throat.

To the original poster, sorry for your loss, honor her by keeping her memory alive.

 

[opiatekrzy]

Based on seeing my friend OD within 5mins, he staggered a a hit the ground . I saw his skin literally convert to a blue purple color, just the way it looked and happened . I thought he died in my arms . I got ice at McDonald's dumped all over him and kept slapping him hard over and over until he finally came to . Dnt even think about bashing me ppl it was a moment of panic .

After that I was under the impression that if two people are getting high together, one would notice an overdose immediately and stop the other or call 911...SO HOW THE FUCK do you explain my two friends ,(they were dating) getting a motel, and both found dead the next morning, didn't one see OD and prevent 1 death verse 2?? Unless they just died jn there sleep/nod..who knows maybe fentanyl . But even with that you will notice immediately OD. God I'm angry and grateful I'm on methadone as fentanyl ks becoming a public issue In buffalo with all the deaths / my funeral would of been done already. Thank u god, help the sick who shoot up 5mins after they find out his 2 best friends died of Heroin overdoses , my friend doesn't let it phase hjm,, I'm sure it wouldn't for me, but hey POWERLESS over everything except ourselves

 

[subotai]

if they both got high at the same time one probably keeled over unconscious and the other one's heroin mind just chalked it up to them being really fucked up in a wishful thinking type of way because heroin isnt noted for making you act quickly on things. then they probably dipped out and that was that

just my guess. its a tough call even when your sober, whether to seek medical help or not. Being high yourself only clouds your judgement

 

[BluelightAlter]

First, thank you to each and every poster who contributed something meaningful with their time (even if it was raw, it was helpful). I really do appreciate it, even if I didn't quote you here I DID read your words of advice and encouragement.

I dont want to violate the BLUA, but I do want to maybe give you a better picture of me; I'm a 27 year off female, mom of one, living in a higher end suburban community. My hobby is the "old money" sort, and my friends (including the friend who overdosed) enjoy a certain lifestyle. Frankly, I didn't realize just how close to home "hard" drugs could get.

what happened to your friend should be a wake-up call.

but instead you seem more fascinated by it....? not good.

I think it's admirable that a few posters were upset by this comment, but I'm not. There's one in every crowd. Besides, of COURSE I'm fascinated that a friend is gone because of the insidious drug I knew nothing about two weeks ago. I've chosen to educate myself, and in learning more realized that my own casual habit could lead me down the same road- one might even say that's a wake up call. I'm not a shrinking violet, I'm not falling apart, and one poster on the World Wide Web doesn't have the power to shake me.

I can't tell you how many heroin addicts, started with scripted opiates, even simple ones Because heroin has such a nasty stigma attached to it, and pills don't because they are "prescriptions", people justify their usage.

Be careful, brother. Be safe.

I shortened your reply, but this summarized the real takeaway from this thread. Thank you.

Say what? LMAO

Yes, that. :D

Explain how this is encouraging. It was this post that led me to ask for this being closed. She is taking it upon herself to become being aware to avoid the dangers of use by abstaining. It's honestly stupid of mr. S to open an answered thead instead of just deleting the excess posts and lacking this closed.

To the original poster if your still reading this. Your friends death was her fault and not yours. You didn't know what she was doing so there is no way you are responsible even if she was your friends as it was her choice. My only recommendation is to educate yourself and be aware of the dangeres in life, which may save yours or someone else's life one day. IMO the biggest danger is following bad advice.

OP here- modding is a thankless job, for sure. I'm definitely not taking on the responsibility of her death, just a bit miffed that I was so clueless. But as I'm finding out, it's not terribly surprising that I was in the dark. In the future though, I imagine I'll be more aware of the little things mentioned here.

The guy that's been a member here for a couple months, is trying to tell a Moderator here how to do their job? c'mon man. I was the one to encourage him to re-open it. So blame me all you want.

He did the right thing initially by deleting your posts, and for poo-poo'ing the thread in general.

I'm trying to understand your overly emotional state over nothing here.

And near the end of the post, you all of a sudden try to appear sympathetic to the OP. very interesting.

Maybe that poster is transferring his or her own guilt or resentment to my situation? Or maybe s/he just hadn't had coffee yet- that certainly gets my undies in a bunch, too. In any event, like anything in life, you take the good and ignore the bad.

Some people are homeless addicts who fit the 'junkie' stereotype.... other users completely have their "crap" together and work/ support their family and have a social life. Some people can hide heroin usuage, some people can't.

Heroin is dirt cheap at first, and starts breaking your bank fast because of tolerance issues.

Overdose would be very peaceful to the person it happened to. You don't even know what's going on, you're just out....happened to me 7 times. She went with a smile on her face.

Thank you for posting this.

^^

Yeah you just fall asleep. One second you're here feeling high as a kite, then you're just out.

Sounds like as good a way to go as any!

I could think of worse ways to die that's for sure. Op it sounds to me like your friend was in the beginning stage of her use. It's very possible she wasn't even physically dependent yet. Often that first period is the most dangerous for users as they don't have the experience or the tolerance veteran users gain over time. After awhile tolerance goes up and it becomes expensive to overdose.

hmmm... Interesting.

Based on seeing my friend OD within 5mins, he staggered a a hit the ground . I saw his skin literally convert to a blue purple color, just the way it looked and happened . I thought he died in my arms . I got ice at McDonald's dumped all over him and kept slapping him hard over and over until he finally came to . Dnt even think about bashing me ppl it was a moment of panic .

She was alone, but if briefly crossed my mind that I wished she had been with someone. Then I realized... SHE used. It's not anyone else's job to ensure she didn't die as a result.

Again, thank you all for your replies, and feel free to keep adding them. I'll be reading.

 

[tacodude]

Just wanted to give you a final post because I am glad to see an update as well as see your ok. Since I didn't know your age I talked in context in case you were a minor still learning the world vs. Someone who has dedicated 9+ treats to sharing the joys of the opportunity of life with someone. What I said to john24 was because I felt his statement came off as discouraging towards your attitude to learn for harm reduction sake as he obviously misunderstood you. The good thing is your old and mature enough to understand that and look past it with out a sweat as I feel you should.

Personally my issues go past drug use to a toxic relation with my parents. As far as opiates I use pharmaceutical opiates mostly and currently just the morphine prescribed and recently codeine as 15 mg ers aren't being made anymore until I see her next. I do know of street opiates and their unique dangers thanks to an old aquantence from elementary school that moved to oh and developed a two year addiction where at his peak he delivered low level for cartel to feed his habit.
One time a friend of his passed who was a bright straight a student. A dealer this aquantence set up with an old connection so local supply wouldn't dry up affecting the local community at that point forgot to mention how the bags were ultra potent. Rather than test a fraction of one bag the kid did 5 in one. The person I knew couldn't help not only feel responsible, but sorry for what happened even knowing the kid probably didn't physically suffer over other aspects including how the bright die manipulated at the hands of the idiots. To conclude I don't speak to that person even though he quit heroin as he never fixed he's addictive behaviour and continued his drug addiction with tons of benzodiazepines.

I do want to add while opiates are dangerous due to addiction risks the bigger dangers lie in methods off use and impure product from unstable sources vs. A pharmaceutical source. For some opiates are actually a life saver where cannabis or other common pain relievers like acetaminophen do not cut it. Someone I met was scripted fentanyl patches for a spinal nerve pinch that affected the testicular region causing it in his words "to feel as if it's in a constant vice grip." I was able to actually have a very good conversation on local opiate abusers, shelters, and other local issues revolving around homelessness that's very prevalent here. I only say this so you don't avoid using opiates in fear of addiction, but instead respect the dangers while being able to acknowledge and utilize their medical value. While using Percocet for partying is a bad idea it can be useful for pain, but I would still avoid using it except when other otc pain killers, topicals/rubs, or breathing practices fail you.


Anyways glad to hear you are doing ok. Honestly also glad to hear that this wasn't while you were younger as I'm sure it would've been harder to handle even though it is always difficult. I probably won't reply after this as I might offend a mod enough to get banned.

I can't follow the rules.

Mr scagnetti or w.e is a power tripper

 

[BluelightAlter]

Thank you for another thoughtful reply, Taco.