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Opioids tapering tramadol isnt working! coming off cold turkey need help

Tommyboy said:
^ I've know people that didn't know about withdrawal when they were taking a lot of opioids, and their withdrawals weren't bad until after a few times. They could stop and be relatively fine since they weren't expecting anything to happen when stopping, which further proves how much of withdrawal is mental.



When I first started out on opioids I used 30-45mg of hydrocodone 4-5 days a week for almost a year and the withdrawals weren't that bad at all, so I think that you may be hyping it up too much. I know that tramadol has the added SNRI withdrawal, but even so the first withdrawal a person experiences usually isn't that bad unless they had a large habit for a while. Also it takes a while to become dependent at first. After the first withdrawal then it becomes easier to get strung out and the withdrawals seem to get worse even with shorter less severe habits than before, but it takes a while to get strung out at first, and even when it happens it's not that bad.

Everybody is different so the OP will have to find out on their own how it's going to be, but I don't see a reason to say that it will definitely suck. How do you suggest someone prepares for withdrawal? They now know what meds to stock up on, so I don't see how expecting horrible withdrawals will help. The only other way that they can prepare is to make sure they clear their schedule for the week so they can kick without having to worry about school, work, and other responsibilities.

And why do you say that it won't be like they will just feel a bit off for a week? That's how my withdrawals were, even when doing dope for that same amount of time. For me it's 2-3 days of bad withdrawals with another 2 days of feeling off, but after 6 days I'm just achy but nothing major.
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This. Don't stress too bad OP, opioid withdrawal is highly mental. It sucks you'll have SNRI WD too but bottom line, it is what it is, there are things you can do to ease your symptoms, there are many threads on this available by search or request. Tommyboy worded my school of thought perfectly, there's no need to add to it.
 
Rls is kicking my ass right now. Took a unisom and 20mg of flexeril and no change. Any other suggestions? I just wanna go to sleep!
 
Honestly that's not that much tramadol to come off of and yes it depends on how long you were on it , I use to be addicted to tramadol and also found it hard to stop more so than opiates which is weird but I found that gabapentin helped a lot for sleep I know not everyone can get it but it also helped the anxiety . Flexirol made my whole body restless and spasm bad . I also believe a lot of the withdrawal is mental if you have a strong mind , you can tell yourself it's not bad . Exercise!
 
Well, day two rolls around and..... I am not feeling that terrible quite honestly. I was really scared about today but I've made it 48 hours clean today and counting!! A little anxious and a lot of rls and leg cramping but if that's the worst of other I'll count my blessings!!!
 
OhCrap said:
Rls is kicking my ass right now. Took a unisom and 20mg of flexeril and no change. Any other suggestions? I just wanna go to sleep!
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A: hot showers/baths
B: masturbation/sex
C: repeat A & B.

depression sets in about 4-5 days after your last dose..
be prepared for that..you can help fight it w/exercise and the above mentioned.

good luck..
~token
 
Vicodin & Ultram are the two latest opioid medications that were stated to be non habit forming w/ no side effects and no adverse reactions when usage stops (when first marketed) I dont think we will ever see these statements ever again, even if it is formulated without a poppy, which is somewhat of a miracle plant when used without manipulating it in a lab' people that still go out of their way to make poppy tea every chance they get lack the willpower and/or freewill to use it for what it is designed.
 
Thanks for the heads up. It's always a little easier knowing what to expect, and expecting the worst then being pleasantly surprised when it doesn't happen is even better. Don't get me wrong I'm having a Seriously hard time getting my ass in gear today. Getting ready to take my loperamide and some vitamins hoping it helps a little, at least not making my body feel so heavy!! and I'm glad I don't have enough tramadol around to get high Cuz I still really really want some!!!
 
OhCrap said:
Thanks for the heads up. It's always a little easier knowing what to expect, and expecting the worst then being pleasantly surprised when it doesn't happen is even better. Don't get me wrong I'm having a Seriously hard time getting my ass in gear today. Getting ready to take my loperamide and some vitamins hoping it helps a little, at least not making my body feel so heavy!! and I'm glad I don't have enough tramadol around to get high Cuz I still really really want some!!!
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np :) hope you're feeling better soon.

~token
 
Clonidine is great for RLS, but you would need a prescription for it, or know someone who has it. Weed helps if your open to that. The easiest legal thing to try is Bengay or a similar cream for muscle aches.

Try to do stuff to keep busy to take your mind off of it. I just went over 3 days without dope and clonidine helped a lot, and I did a bunch of activities to keep my mind off of it. If you are sitting there thinking about it then the symptoms will be exacerbated, and I actually can't believe how much milder the symptoms are when I'm not thinking about them.
 
Tommyboy said:
Clonidine is great for RLS, but you would need a prescription for it, or know someone who has it. Weed helps if your open to that. The easiest legal thing to try is Bengay or a similar cream for muscle aches.

Try to do stuff to keep busy to take your mind off of it. I just went over 3 days without dope and clonidine helped a lot, and I did a bunch of activities to keep my mind off of it. If you are sitting there thinking about it then the symptoms will be exacerbated, and I actually can't believe how much milder the symptoms are when I'm not thinking about them
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Does Clonidine cause withdrawals when you quit??
 
^ If you take it for a while you should taper off. I have experienced some anxiety once after taking it for a week, but after taking half of the usual dose I was fine after that.
 
Tylenol PM, sominex, and every other OTC sleep aid is only diphenhydramine or more commonly known as Benadryl. Look on the packaging Tylenol PM is 250 - 500mg of Tylenol and 50 mg of diphenhydramine, Advil pm is 400mg of ibuprofen and 50mg od diphenhydramine. They are all the exact same except for the price. Do yourself a favor and take store brand Benadryl or buy Melatonin which is OTC and works really well for the insomnia associated with withdrawal (I've been there, I was in the worst misery of my life coming off of Suboxone. NEVER resort to this drug!!! Your not doing yourself any favors regardless of what your strung out on but, that's info for a whole different thread) STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM SUBOXONE!!!! It's just another gimmick except it is more addictive and the withdrawal are more extreme than any other drug, even heroin and the withdrawals are very dangerous (I had seizures and periods of severe hallucination) not to mention the hell last for 3 WEEKS before it starts to let up.
 
Guineapig5 said:
Tylenol PM, sominex, and every other OTC sleep aid is only diphenhydramine or more commonly known as Benadryl. Look on the packaging Tylenol PM is 250 - 500mg of Tylenol and 50 mg of diphenhydramine, Advil pm is 400mg of ibuprofen and 50mg od diphenhydramine. They are all the exact same except for the price. Do yourself a favor and take store brand Benadryl or buy Melatonin which is OTC and works really well for the insomnia associated with withdrawal (I've been there, I was in the worst misery of my life coming off of Suboxone. NEVER resort to this drug!!! Your not doing yourself any favors regardless of what your strung out on but, that's info for a whole different thread) STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM SUBOXONE!!!! It's just another gimmick except it is more addictive and the withdrawal are more extreme than any other drug, even heroin and the withdrawals are very dangerous (I had seizures and periods of severe hallucination) not to mention the hell last for 3 WEEKS before it starts to let up.
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I heard horror stories of 3 months of withdrawals coming off the bupe
 
I've heard that tramadol withdrawal just mentally sucks a lot more than regular opioids. If it is anything like combined venlafaxine and opioid withdrawal its bad enough. I would definitely load myself up with loperamide and benzo's if I ever was in that situation. The good news seems to be that tramadol dependence takes a long time to form, I have not had it but my longer binges were like 3-4 weeks at most an that only produced some moderate flu-like-symptoms.

It's a great medication to ease the WD's from other opioids though. It dulls the pain decently but the underneath withdrawal can still be felt, therefore it is easy to gauge when it is time to quit.
 
I am addicted to taking around 30 tramadol a day. It is so messed up how I got this way. It took years to get up to this dose and am now beginning treatment after my last seizure. I was on anti-seizure meds and skipped a dose, and with the tramadol... oh and welbutrin my physician prespcribed me that also lower the seizure threshold! I began treatment yesterday and am on the waiting list for detox (2-5 days, so maybe tomorrow). I need at least 20 50mgs a a day to feel okay. I went to the hospital last year to try and get help and got sent home since it was tramadol, not a "real" opiate.
Luckily the treatment center accepts my insurance and have started meetings and waiting for detox. 30 a day??? i got in so deep. stop at 4 while you can!! I did it once, but jumped back in.
 
There's a lovely post if u use ye search engine that is about the best opiate withdrawal arsenal. I think it may have been written by phreeX. Read it lots of helpful tips in there.
 
never had tramadol WDs, but i know that smoking heavy indica strains help opiate WD helped me immensely, with the nausea, the anxiety, the insomnia and others. of course it doesnt cure those symptoms, just makes them a lot more managable. some people i know use large amounts of hard liquor to treat dopesickness, and i just want to tell you that alcohol is one of the worst things you can take during opiate withdrawal, especially tramadol WD, because alcohol lowers rhe seizure threshold, and so does tram WD IIRC. if you have benzos, use them as well as the weed. try not to smoke a lot of cigarettes for the first three days.

start off the first day smoking a LOT of pot (but not enough to make you anxious) and taking strong doses of your benzo, and then reduce your doses/frequency of use sightly every day. make sure your days are not entirely spent at home, but walking around the neighborhood, even if for just 10 minutes, can help alleviate a ton of depression that you build up at home when youre sick. exericse of any sort helps, too, but going outside and absorbing some natural vitamin D can really help so much.
 
Someon said DXM and I have to agree with that. Altough serotonin syndrome is a real danger with tramadol (I get that last summer when I took amitriptyline, tramadol and dxm together) so don't mix them but I think 1-3 days between is fine. When I started tapering benzos I quit tramadol cold turkey. Tramadol withdrawal makes gabaergic withdrawal much more difficult to handle for few days. So I started taking DXM after quitting tramadol and I was able to reduce quickly amounts of benzos, phenibut, and Lyrica.

So DXM might help you but it might also be addictive.
 
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