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Opioids Tapering Poppy Pods, anyone with me, been there?

podsnomo

podsnomo

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I'm down to 3 grams a day of grounds, and it's NOT easy. I've read a lot about tapers, but not as much about jumps. I'm wondering what others have experienced and what advice might be out there. I'm hoping to jump some time soon. I've been using for about 1.5 years, up to 70-80 grams a day with a 100-120 a few times.

I'm wondering if Kratom sets you back in your progress through WDs.

Anyone?

Love to all,
pnm
 
Seriously, no one out there wondering wtf to do with all the shortages and no pods? TG I'm on my taper. How are all you pod connoisseurs out there, or just pod ingesters. I know I run the gamut. I suppose I had the naive idea that I'd start this this thread and find a few people in my shoes. That's what the web does, eh, hook up people who are similar enough to need to talk but live all over the globe? Help me through this please!?
 
I personally have never seen anything on ingesting "poppy pods", so this to me seems to be rather specific in Healthy Living.

You'll have to be patient - a specific thread I created didn't get any replies for like three months. Not everyone has knowledge of what you're talking about.
 
That would be nice, thank you. Thank you to for pardoning my ignorance of BL. I've learned a lot from reading others' posts, but never paid much attention to what threads were classified what, and why, and where, and so on. Peace.

pnm
 
hi podsnomo

I wish I could say something good about getting off pods, but... it's not pleasant and personally it's the part after the acute withdrawal (the Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome, or PAWS) that I have found the hardest.

The good thing here is that you've done an awesome job of tapering. Jumping off from 3grams is going to be a lot better than jumping from 80grams. If you're really determined, or you simply have no option, you can jump off and stay off. You should probably still expect some trouble sleeping, some stomach issues, lethargy, and flat mood, though. At least for a few days after the last dose.

The hardest thing in my experience was the intense cravings and longing for the relief that pods brought, which actually got worse after the acute WD stage and basically has never really ended. Even months later I still think about the effect of pods and I just don't enjoy other drugs as much. Nothing hits the same spot.

So I guess I'm saying you should expect a hard road. But again, the positive here is that you've done yourself a big favour in tapering so much.
 
While I'm lucky to have never gained a PPT addiction; I have been through tramadol and codeine WD, the best thing to do is get some loperamide, some OTC sleep aids and find a week or so where you don't need to move from your bed, get some close friends to support you and just think how much better life will be after. You have made massive progress to drop your intake so much and you should be proud! :)
I've never used kratom personally though it is suggested thousands of times on here, take a look at the megathread and if things get too much: order some.

Best of luck to you!
 
Thanks Halif and SOS. There ARE people out there! Halif, how did you deal, with the PAWS that is? I'm using lope against the runs and it seems to help, though the anxiety is getting worse. I'm also an alcoholic and have resorted to drinking a couple of times just to sleep, but I don't wanna go back to where I was with booze. OTC sleep aids just make me insane during WDs. I've read of others having that same problem. And Sprout, you are lucky to have never gotten a PPT addiction. My habit is with the ground up pods, mixing with juice, but it's all the same alkaloids. The T just tastes SO effing horrible!

So anyway, I'm down to 2 grams now. Today was my first day on 2. Then I'll do 2 more days of 2g, then 3 days of 1.5g, and finally 3 days of 1 g which will put me at exactly 0 grams here at the house. I took a little kratom last night to not be in a nasty mood at a dinner for a friend leaving town. I'm gonna try to use it only when I have to. I know people have WD from Kratom isn't as bad as from opies, but I wonder if taking it will set my taper/WD process back. Any thoughts? Thanks again for responding guys.

And Kalif, how long now are you clean from pods?

Peace,
pnm
 
Halif, how did you deal, with the PAWS that is?
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I've been off pods for about nine months. The thing is, I haven't really dealt with the PAWS. After I quit pods, I started taking other things to try and fill the void and actually ended up doing more damage to my mental and physical health that I did with pods. I started mixing drugs to get a more full-bodied (LOL, sounds like wine appreciation) high and trying to recreate the pod high but nothing was exactly the right balance.

By far the worst thing that happened was getting habituated to benzos. Luckily that didn't last long (a few months) and it's over now, but it was the single most damaging thing I've ever gone through. I think it's pretty common for people coming off opiates to get hooked on benzos because at first they're so useful for getting sleep and taking the anxiety edge off. Problem is that PAWS lasts a long time and at some point you're going to have to accept and deal with some anxiety, feelings of emptiness, crappy sleeps, etc. I found it hard to accept those things, and the benzos took over.

You're in a risky place being an alcoholic, because there's a good chance that you'll start hitting the bottle hard to chase away the blues. However, I don't want to be all doom and gloom because there's every chance that you won't find PAWS unbearable and you will enjoy the positives of being pod-free: increased energy and focus, being more sensitive and open to life and the people around you, and the satisfaction in not being totally dependent on something - that's freedom.

Good luck and let me know how it goes:)
 
I like your balanced outlook and candor Halif. I am in a risky place I know. I'm also in AA and have some solid people to support me through it. That being said, here I am having a bit of vodka to take the edge off before bed. Alas. I also have scripts for xanax and ambien. I take 2mg maximum xanny/day and the standard 10mg ambien dose at night, but I've been on those for years, didn't increase those when I quit drinking, and haven't upped them on the pod taper either. They don't work as well, but for me it's one thing at a time. As soon as I get some distance between me and the pods I can work on tapering the benzos, but that I'll do with my doc.

I'm wondering what you mixed in to try to replace the pods, mostly so I might avoid it. Thing is, with me, I don't enjoy benzos. I just like not being panicked. If I take more than normal, what some would consider recreational, I just get tired and kinda zombie-ish. I did love the pods for a long time, but after a while, as with all drugs, they just quit doing what they had done. The first few times I ate a goodly amount of grounds I felt fucking fantastic. After a while, it just starts to suck your life away, slowly, so you don't notice until you look around think, "shit, I used to enjoy xy&z normal things. Now look at me."

Anyway thanks for the well wishes and I'll keep you posted.
 
So, I'm down to a gram a day, and tomorrow is the last one. I'm hoping PAWS will be lessened by the fact that my withdrawal has not been so acute. However, I wonder if I'll get it anyway. My habit was only serious for less than a year. Prior to that, the first time I quit Last June, my symptoms of WD were barely noticeable. I'm using the Kratom only to keep the serious anxiety away, but still worry about that just delaying the dreaded PAWS. Thanks to those who posted back here, and in advance for any additional support and/or info and/or advice.

Peace,
pnm
 
wish i could help. i make sure to only use pods once a week so i dont get physically dependent from them. ive been enjoying them for about a year now, and i recently stopped for 2 weeks. i had no WD symptoms so i did some again like 3 days ago. i dont make tea with my pods, i grind them up and eat a few tablespoons of dust. well i dont chew the dust(anymore) i just dump it on my tongue, wash it down, and hope not to gag : /

im not sure how good the pods i ordered are in strength, at least as good as morphine, but it only takes me about 3 table spoons to get high. im still on the same lb i ordered last fall, right before the prices jumped way up for the season. i plan on gettin more soon when the spring harvest is ready. from what i hear, that is the time to buy.
 
Aphex, good for you if you can stay on a disciplined schedule and not slide into dependence/addiction like I did. Here's a tip, instead of toss and wash, and esp if you have them ground to a fine powder, mix it with a small glass of juice and gulp it down. It's much easier than toss and wash. Stay vigilant. Those damn things had me for sure. Today's day #1 with absolutely no pods, and I've no more in the house, and from what I hear, they're almost impossible to find right now. Good timing.

My legs feel achy, nothing too bad. My xanax prescription helps, but doesn't last long enough per dose. I'm going to ask my doc to switch me to K-pin.
My insomnia hasn't been an issue yet since I've been taking an ambien on top of a several shots of vodka at night. But I'm gonna knock that the hell off and try to sleep with no liquor or alcohol of any kind. We'll see how that goes. When I quit CT a while back the restless legs and insomnia was what drove me back to using. I want to go back to my AA meetings and get my 34hr chip again. Here I go.

Peace and love,
pnm
 
Well, it's been a while since my last post. 19 days and no pods, but now I seem to be stuck on Kratom. Now, to taper the Kratom.... oy oy oy
 
Indeed buddy, I found pods to be hell to withdraw from. The symptoms lasted forever and only now am I finding that the kratom is having effects on its own other than relieving my WDs. At first, like after a week of no pods, I thought I was getting WD symptoms from the kratom, but since those have gone away (I can still get WDs if I go long enough without kratom) I know that I was having pods WDs for like 2 weeks, masked and relieved by the kratom. And this was after tapering down to 1g of pods a day! Fuck! I'm never going down poppy lane ever again.
 
Im gonna have to start psyching myself up to taper down off these soon.

Ive always 'cold turkeyed' off my opiate binges before, these binges of quite heavy use lasted from a few days to about 2-3 months max, so in the grand scheme of things i suppose they werent too big a deal to stop, and not all that severe. Main physical symptoms were over in about 3 days.

But this time my binge has been a longer one, lost count really, but a few months, and i believe withdrawls get more severe each time you go through them, so i think cold turkeys gonna be too hard this time and tapering will be the way to go.

As ive never done an opiate taper before please could i get some feedback on a very basic question. Say if im taking about 40grams of poppy pod tea a day as a maintenance dose, and then i drop it by a couple of grams. I'm gonna feel rough and suffer slight withdrawls....What i need to know is will my body adjust to this new lower maintenance dose within about 2-4 days, so that i'll soon start to feel alright on the new lower dose ? And then continue along this road until ready to jump off ? It makes it sound a lot easier to myself if that is gonna be the case. :D

Please tell me the answer is yes !!!!! :\ Otherwise what is the point of tapering atall, as youre gonna be going through weeks and weeks of slightly less acute misery, rather than just the short sharp shock of total and absolute misery for a few days ??????
 
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Yo drugbuddy!

So, you're right, repeated quits make each successive quit tougher. The point of a taper is to keep the WDs manageable so you can function both through the taper and after the quit. It's no joy ride, but it works for those who want what a taper offers, and who have the sustained will not to cheat during it.

Are you saying you use 40g of pods to make the tea? At that dose you should be able to drop by about a third (or a little less) every three days until you get down to low doses. Once down to lower doses, you might consider grinding it to a powder and either toss=n=wash or mix with juice.

Your taper could look like this assuming 40g is your normal dose/day right now:
Days 1-3: 30g
Days 4-6: 22g
Days 7-9: 15g
Days 10-12: 10g
Days 13-15: 7g
Days 16-18: 5g
now toss n wash and rop by 1g every 3 days or so until down to 1g.
Then do 1g every other day 3 times, every two days 3 times, and then be free.
You can jump sooner if you feel good about it.

You can drop less and/or stay on your lowered dose for more than 3 days. Each drop should have you feeling minor, but very manageable WDs, that will begin to clear up about the time for your next drop. The minor WDs spread out over a long time make going through the intense CT shit not happen. It's a different kind of WD.

When you get to lower doses you can expect more problems. I started having worsening anxiety and insomnia when I got down to about 5g. I was up around 70-80g of eat poppy pods a day. I treated this with vodka and ambien, which was stupid for an alcoholic like me, but I got through it.

I've now gotten myself hooked on kratom and am trying to come off that now! OY OY OY!

Anyway, in short, the answer to your question is YES! Go for it. I started this thread and it's been dead for a while, so I'm glad to have you here. I'll help you through your pod taper and you can support me through the kratom taper.

You've quit before, so I guess you know to use loperamide and the other stuff to do right?

Best to ya man,
pnm
 
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