Taper Advice for MXE, Tramadol, Etizolam

[Giddalaus]

Hey all, I'm Steffen, glad to have all of bluelight

The temporary taper plan;

Week 1: 500mg total a day, 100mg primer, 200mg at +1.5 hours + 200mg at +4-5 hours

Week 2: 400mg total a day, 50mg primer + 100mg at 1,5 hours + 200 at + 4-5 hours

Week 3: 300mg total a day, 50mg early in the morning
+ 50mg primer sometime during 5-6pm +200mg 1,5 hours later

Week 4: 200mg total a day, 50mg in the morning, 50mg at midday, 100 6-7 hours before i plan to sleep

Week 5: 100mg total a day, a single 100mg dose 6-7 hours before I plan to go to sleep

Week 6?

Please read them in the order they appear, the edit numbers are just a a way for me to keep track of them.

Edit 4 00:54 7.12.2013 : I just read the OP of the thread "Guide to narcotic withdrawal", I feel more confident now about facing christmas. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/32895


6.12.2013: So, I've been using tramadol, etizolam and mxe. Have no more mxe, and do not plan to get more. I do have access to things that may help with withdraving from Tramadol and Etizolam. My doses of Etizolam has been pretty high he last 2-3 weeks (about 1000mg over a full day), never more than 4 in one go. That is when I first started using tramadol. Tramadol doses have been consistently 2 or 3 times a day the last week at least, 100mg primers and an hour later 400mg. The etizolam doses were always taken along with the trams, I feel like I should continue to do the etiz that while slowly tapering,

That seems to be pretty undoable though, as people would definetely notice something was up if I did like 200-300mg of trams plus 2-3 mg etiz. Tapering is pretty much about trying to get a small dose back in your system every time it's getting low enough levels of it in your system right? But etiz require a lot more doses a day for effective tapering i heard/read, someone recommended 5 times a day I think. So can anyone answer me this, will 5 times a day 1mg etiz and 5 times a day 50mg trams do the trick? I'm afraid I will still get bad enough cravings from such low doses now that I will just say Fuck it. Fuck it all straight to hell. The amount of time is actually pretty guesstimated, it's hard to keep track off without keeping a log, I did create one yesterday though, Going to use it to record all I take before I take it, lest I forget

This paragraph is the original post: So I recently had a binge, surprised to be alive actually, I used about 8 grams of methoxetmine in the last day of the 3 day binge, plus like 20mg of etizolam and about 1400mg of tramadol, kinda worried I did som damage to myself.., Any advice?

Edit 1: I also think I did 1,2 grams of methylone right before going to bed, found the empty bag beside my bed when I woke up after going to bed the previus day at about midnight, then not waking up untill 10pm, so 22 hours of sleep... Although it's strange that that has not given me any kind of symptoms that I have not already had for years.

Edit 2 (v2)10:50 6.12.2013: Just to clarify a bit. I've now mostly recovered from the binge. I seem a little slower than usual, metally especially, but also physically. Walking downtown today, which normally takes like 10 minutes took me at least 25 mins. And that was with taking a 15mg EPH dose bombed like 10 miures before I left. I did so two more tiny doses of EPH later though, waiting one hour before the first redose and a little over 2 hours before the last at about 16:00pm. Nothing else untill 10 mins ago when I did 1mg eti and 100mg tram, which is good for me, a lot less shit in my system than the past couple months, so I feel like I''m kinda tapering already. I did have some pretty shaky hands while preparing my pipe though. Which I just remembered I haven't even lit yet! lol. Goddammit, this is getting too long for anyone to bother reading it, again... Hmm, well then I'll just add the more important things up top I guess.

 

[stardust.hero]

Hi Gidd though I'm not going to downsize that binge as it was a pretty hefty one, I'd say that from my personal experiences binges usually left me with the overwhelming thought that I always did heavy lasting damage to myself. Not to say they haven't left their battle scars, but for the most part I've regained all that it drained from me.

My advice to you is to stay as positive as you can, try to believe that it didn't do much if any permanent damage and that you will return to normal with healthy habits and abstinence. It's easy to be in the dumps and worry endlessly after binges that you've fucked yourself forever. Most cases you have not, so count it as a blessing, take one day at a time and you'll be back to full capacity in no time.

The most important thing is that you didn't die. Any 3 of those drugs alone could have caused damage/death but together you are very lucky . You should be okay in a few days just try to remember that.

And welcome

 

[Giddalaus]

Thanks for the quick reply. especiall given the hour (it's 1:30 here right now) and typing is very difficult at this point, that will improve within tomorrow I hope I went to bed at about 1am last night, woke up about 10:30pm today, I also used about 8mg of Etizolam today spaced with 2 mg the first primer dose of tram and 3mg and then 3 again with the larger 400mg Tram doses, plus 100mg primer and 400mg 1 hour later of tramadol, so not exactly abstinent yet. though definetely considering it, and considering quitting/tapering, and suicide... I got absolutely no euphoria from any of that, just sedation... I just dont what to do anymore, considering heroin that was always the best for euphoria, insanely expensive here though. Right now I'm not doing any really illegal drugs except for maybe Tramadol; pretty sure that one is a controlled substance where I live, I actually think the customs service has a package of trams that i ordered. No idea what consequences of that is going to be if any, never had a controlled substance seized by customs before. Of course, with heroin I would wuickly revert to to all my old bad habiits with varius dubiousl activities to sustain my habits.,Glad to have this forum though. Just to get my thoughts out there i guess, to someone listening/ reading.

 

[stardust.hero]

When did the binge end and what have you currently taken today? I'm a bit unclear and would like to advise you on what is safe and how to best help you.

I can identify with and understand the feeling of being suicidal after a hefty binge. Please try to work through it, things will get better drastically within the next 3 days if you can remain abstinent. Remember that MXE has an afterglow (users generally report the day after use) however I can say it may last a little longer than a day for you due to the amount used. It also may be unpleasant due to the amount, and the mere fact that some people just don't like the afterglow. I would also imagine that feeling crappy after a binge with linger afterglow effects would probably be unpleasant as you just want to feel normal at this point.

Try to go easy on the etizolam, do you take it regularly? If not try not to take more than 4-5mg/day. The half-life if etizolam is about 4-5 hours and 1mg should provide you with enough anti-anxiety effects with no tolerance, so given 1mg every 5 hours, that should equate to about 5mg. Though 5mg is still a large amount, it seems your anxiety levels are elevated as you stated you've taken 8mg today. Try to remind yourself and keep it around 5mg.

Tramadol can be dangerous at doses higher than 400-500mgs as it can cause seizures, please try to keep your dose around there and do not redoes again for another 8 hours. Tramadol induced seizures are very common and users generally have no idea they are about to have one until they do. So please please be careful with the Tram.

If you are feeling suicidal I am available to chat personally either by personal message, email, AIM or MSN -- you can find my AIM, MSN and email in my profile. I am here to listen even if you don't want to talk about your current state, what you're on and so forth. I am just here to listen . So know you aren't alone.

You will feel better soon. Please try to consider my advice.

 

[Giddalaus]

I ended yesterday at about 1am. I usually use about 2mg mg of wtizolam a day, plus occasionally mxe,t the fist couple days I will take 30- 50mg doses then escalate to 100, 200 to 400mg of mxe though I will soon spin out of control with that one and end up doing like 1 gram then the next day a 10 gram bag is gone and i have no memory at all of what I have done the previous day, Mxe I usually order only 10 grams every month or so the previous year. before that I only did like 30 grams a year. I first tried mxe about 2 years ago. The Tramadol is new, only first tried it about 2 weeks ago. I did actually enjoy the afterglow of mxe at first, today I feel like crap though...

 

[stardust.hero]

Well I'm happy to hear that the binge had ended, you're already in the process of repair. Please be careful with the tramadol, research the recommended dose and also the cap for the recommended dose as it's easy to OD and seize up from Tramadol.

All will start getting better soon. The more rest you get the more time your brain has to repair itself.

 

[Giddalaus]

My last post was deleted, not the one above, I'm unclear as to why, maybe some mention of drug use. I have already discussed my drug use here and had my posts answered be a moderator though so I really dont understand it, Anyways, I'll try to avoid mentioning drug use. This time, this morning at 10:47am after a sleepless night I received an SMS reminding me of a meeting it was really critical for me to show up to in order to get my disability check next week. Did manage to show up, seem to have went fine atm. I was not actually sober at all during the meeting, though I am trying to taper and eventually quit.

Edit. So i have done some drugs today too, all night then nothing from 6am to about 6:30pm. gonna try keepng it as low as possible for the next week, then scale down again. Any advice on what thread iI could use to find a good tapering plan for the drugs I'mentioned using earlier. MXE I'm just gonna cold turkey. done that quite a few times after 2-3 months of use with no serious problems at all, barely any cravings even. Not compared to other drugs anyway. Tramdol and Etizolam I think it is very wise to taper slowly off of though

 

[stardust.hero]

Gidd, your post was removed due to excessive drug references (as this section of the forum is based around sobriety), we can answer some basic harm reduction questions but extended talk about drug use isn't really meant for this thread. Do you know how to make your own thread? If not I will make one for you, that way you can continue posting and receiving support, this thread is really just the welcome thread. Would you like me to move all of yours and my posts to a new thread?

I would also recommend Basic Drug Discussion for taper plans. If you would like I can create a new thread with all of the content you've provided and then move that thread over to BDD. Do you want me to do that?

 

[Giddalaus]

`That woûld be great, thanks a lot Stardus Hero You've been a good help.

 

[stardust.hero]

You're welcome Goodluck and keep your head up .

modnote: Reapproved posts.

Moved: The Dark Side ---> Basic Drug Discussion

 

[Giddalaus]

I made a post that I was asked to delete, I am pleased to announce I have now finally some more understanding of what is allowed/frowned upon or just stupid, The latter was the case witm me

I actally think I should stop posting at all while high, least for a while, meybe after 2-3 weeks of tapering maybe I'm more myself again.

Apologies to any oeople I accidentally triggered, rules I broke and any breaches of etiqette I may have been guilty of in the aftermath of my binge. Hope you can all find it in your hearts to forgive me

Edit: 7.12:2013 From the Greenlighters guide, guess It was really stupid of me

Do not post about any serious crimes you may have committed in the past.
Do not post about any serious crimes you may be committing in the future.
Do not reveal incriminating information about yourself to random strangers in a chat room.

I've now a added what I think is a doable tapering plan for tramadol use in the OP

I've fucked up, cant sleep and cant stop doing drugs, in an effort to stop for at least like 6 hours orr so I decided to make some coffee. Then some alarm bell went off in my head. Sio I googled "tramadol and coffee".Turns out it will almost cartainly give a seizure while on tramadol, I have even had a post-it notice on the lid of my coffee can for months. It fell off one day, and since I was high I decided to make a new later.. That was prolly about 2 weeks ago. So, maybe it's time I go make that post it mow? :D