Opioids Tapentadol (nucynta)

[kush fario]

hey guys i dont post here to much but i recently acquired some tapentadol 50 mg ir pills and have been experimenting with them. first off id like to say that they dont cure or even help being dopesick much if your comming off something strong like oxy or H

That being said on there own if you have a fairly low tolerance they can be fairly fun they have the warm fuzzyness some euphoria and a great itch once the peak drops off they are very energizing at first then go into a more sedated high with nods sometimes

oral last a longer but you have to take much more to achieve good effects upwards of 300mg

snorted burns alot goes awaay quick about a minute followed by a fairly bad tasting drip and the first time an almost corrosive feeling in the back of the throught but that only happend once.

currently i have some that i crushed up and mixed with water i filtered through cotton and put this solution on a pryrex plate to dry once it evaporates ill update if this works a simple cwe should work on the ir pills if the coating is rubbed off.

 

[reyqaz]

I'd like to know how that goes.
I had 100mg yest and it really helped with the pain, today with 200mg there are no effects. yesterday was my first time with tapentadol.
Thoughts?

Thanks

 

[kush fario]

ive seen it said that the tolerance grown very slowly but ime that is just simply untrue tolerance seems to build up very quick and drop quite quick as well if you mix it with a small amount of Tylenol it should help potentate and help you with your pain you could try to snort if you have the IR pills it will burn like people say but it will go away. my solution is still evaporating im wondering if putting it on a hotplate could ruin the product?

thanks!
Ku$h.

 

[kush fario]

well i used heat and after the water evaporated it left me with a glass looking substance i imagine it will break into crystals when i scrape it up ill update when i test this substance so far things are looking good

 

[kush fario]

i scraped up this substance and it is like some sort of glue it dident shatter as i expected it to this couldent be just some sort of binder from the pill? i herd about some one shooting these pills up and getting high he just used water like me and then shot where i i evaporated the water. if any one has anythoughts it would be great!

 

[kush fario]

well after letting the sticky clear stuff dry for an extra 24 hours it went all white and when crushed sounded very crystalline things are looking good

 

[kush fario]

if a mod or something could clean this up into one post or tell me how to do this it be great and this works 100% and is great it takes some time but if you do it perfectly you get straight up crystals that looked like mt45 except bigger shards. (Than i have got) it burns to sniff but doesent last long for me i have found this way gets the most out of my material. iv would probably be best but i just don't use that route. if you try this and get the glue like stuff it isent dry wierd i know i left mine out for at least 48 hrs but you need to use a low heat then let your pyrex or what ever you use cool down and scrape up (wear gloves because it fly's around when you scrape it and will get on your hands or gloves and sometimes shoots into the air so be carefull!)

 

[cwake18]

I wasn't aware they made nucynta ER, but I got my hands on one of the strongest ones, the 100mg tab a couple years ago and I was like hot damn! A C-II Opioid I haven't ever heard of?! But it was short lived. MotherF cost like $30 and didn't get me high, at all. I was dopesick and my friend brought it to me, the $30 would've been much better spent on a roxi or some tar.

I think the DEA is crazy for putting this In schedule 2. Buprenorphine is 40 times stronger than morphine, 2mg put me on my ass throwing up for like 16 hours one time, and it's C-III. Tapentadol is rated 1/10 the strength of morphine. I don't know, I'm sure there are some that like it but it's rare, expensive, and Even the IR version has an unfortunate coating.

 

[Hammilton]

The potency isn't the basis for the schedule. The addictiveness is the quality that determines this, specifically, the abuse potential relative to drugs in other classes.

Buprenorphine belongs in CIII because it is more addictive than diazepam, but less than morphine, cocaine or meth (the big three of CII, I suppose). Whether tapentadol belongs in CII is definitely debatable. It is certainly less addictive than heroin or ketobemidone, but it's hard to say that it's abuse potential is greater than ketamine or paregoric. I'd certainly say that it has greater abuse potential than benzphetamine or marinol, but I'd say that secobarbital or hydrocodone in any preparation are way, way more abuse prone than tapentadol.

However, the law does not require that it be more likely to be abused than substances in CIV, for instance, and while strictly reading the law would make you think that a drug in CII would be inherently more prone to abuse than a drug in CIV, but it doesn't require that it be more abuse prone than every single drug in that category, so in practice there are some substances in CII that have less abuse potential than some drugs in CIV. Moreover, if you consider drugs in CI, the relative abuse potential does not matter, any drug deemed to have abuse and addictive potential but which has no FDA approval is automatically placed into schedule I.

We have a real need to revamp our system to take into account the reality that a substance's abuse and addictive potential (and therefore the legal penalties associated with illegal possession, sale, etc) should be considered separate from the the medical restrictions. For instance, in terms of potential societal harm caused by recreational use of amphetamines, their addiction and family destroying potential, justifies their placement into CII. The current system bans refills on CII drugs, but these are drugs which, for the vast majority of prescriptions, long-term use is not only justified, but necessary for the treatment to work.

Opiates are even more addictive than amphetamines, but in some ways the social ills of their abuse is more limited- where amphetamine addicts tend to do truly insane things during binges, and are not infrequently violent, the harms associated with addiction to opiates tends to be limited to harms experienced by the user himself and some harm to others associated with attempts to acquire more opiates. The majority of prescriptions for opioids are not for conditions that require long term treatment, so the prohibition on refills may make more sense in this case. Still, this should be considered on a product by product basis- vicodin is not a good drug for long term use, and the majority patients needing it won't be unduly harmed by such a prohibition. Duragesic, on the other hand, is absolutely a product where the majority of patients will using long-term, and many of these are patients who are harmed by the prohibition against refills.

There are other benefits to such a system. For one, it would work to place every approved drug into different categories. While a drug may not have addictive effects or recreational uses but still need special controls- such as thalidomide (which is available for prescription in very controlled circumstances).

There are other benefits to a more nuanced scheduling system. You can avoid the dual scheduling of drugs like dronabinol and GHB by placing them into different categories controlling the current aspects. This may be more easily done with GHB than dronabinol, but overall I think the system works better than our current inherently contradictory and deeply flawed after decades of alteration and revision.

I believe the British use a system similar to the one I propose here.

I probably should have posted this elsewhere... hope you find something interesting in it.