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"tan" mdpv

I would absolutely love to give Tan a whirl. I have some of the standard white MDPV HCl, and it has it's uses, but it lacks euphoria or any senxual enhancement. I do find a few mg's useful for helping me get going more than a mug of coffee, but the effect is subtle. Any higher and anxiety starts to get distract me.

I've read about the Tan loads, and lurked on stuffmonger's thread to see if anything would come of that. Hell, I'll even give his method a try with some of the stuff I have lying around when I can get a chance (I'm stuck at my mothers untill I go back to Uni). He was probably a just an elaborate shill, but i've nothing to lose. Anyway, The thought of finding out what it might be that causes the unique effect in the Tan is exciting!

Solipsis, has anyone else confirmed that it is the Tan MDPV everyone is talking about? Have you tried any of the other stuff since? As you say you don't like it, it may not be from the same batch?
 
No I've got no confirmation although I believe I have given this out to other people. It's all too long ago for me to remember specifics.

I have no interest in trying other MDPV even though I have white product in my possession. At this point I am still trying to find someone who preferably has experience with the tan product that is said to be extraordinarily good. Someone who wants to try this stuff of mine. But I'd also rather do some friend of mine a favor. One who has yet to speak up.

Your assumption is that since I did not like it it is unlikely to be the real thing? ;) That maybe true or maybe I just do not like it. Not a fan of stimulants in general really...
I got it in the right period i.e. when it was just making the rounds as far as I know, and it certainly has a tan color so it would be one hell of a coincidence. Though I am not sure how often tan MDPV circulates these days that is not THE tan stuff of the myths.

I wonder if it is worth exploring the pyrrole version of existing pyrrolidine stimulants as well, purely from a research point of view of course. Maybe we should consider not feeding ideas to itching producers of chemicals.
 
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Very interesting attempt at an analysis alcyone, thanks! I do not readily have answers to your questions since this analysis was "outsourced" (lol), in any case it was done in Spain. I might get more info on it later, not sure how much more effort those guys there are putting in to crack it, it has been a while now.
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To clarify This is my opinion only and does not represent the opinion of Bluelight or other moderators on Bluelight. If people disagree with my assessment of the scientific validity of the work of Cretonne Glory they are welcome to PM me

zero energy is the answer, Necrology Rent have minimal competence and knowledge, probably why they never answer technical questions or provide more data because they don't really know what they are doing with their toy.
IMHO they are a complete waste of space.
 
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Solipsis said:
No I've got no confirmation although I believe I have given this out to other people. It's all too long ago for me to remember specifics.

I have no interest in trying other MDPV even though I have white product in my possession. At this point I am still trying to find someone who preferably has experience with the tan product that is said to be extraordinarily good. Someone who wants to try this stuff of mine. But I'd also rather do some friend of mine a favor. One who has yet to speak up.

Your assumption is that since I did not like it it is unlikely to be the real thing? ;) That maybe true or maybe I just do not like it. Not a fan of stimulants in general really...
I got it in the right period i.e. when it was just making the rounds as far as I know, and it certainly has a tan color so it would be one hell of a coincidence. Though I am not sure how often tan MDPV circulates these days that is not THE tan stuff of the myths.

Very interesting attempt at an analysis alcyone, thanks! I do not readily have answers to your questions since this analysis was "outsourced" (lol), in any case it was done in Spain. I might get more info on it later, not sure how much more effort those guys there are putting in to crack it, it has been a while now.

I wonder if it is worth exploring the pyrrole version of existing pyrrolidine stimulants as well, purely from a research point of view of course. Maybe we should consider not feeding ideas to itching producers of chemicals.
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The likelihood of there being any valid "old tan" floating around is next to zero, despite claims.

If you look at people's claims, those who claim it are never sure what the "old tan" really is/was. And only those who have experienced both know what they both are. And to experience both, you would have had to be doing PV around 2004-2005, when it first appeared on the scene.

Fwiw, I have such experience, although I don't think it could be any use to you in terms of validating anything. It's not really worth the trouble now... the "old tan" is forever gone as an accessible supply. The guy who was selling it, stopped selling it long, long, long ago... lay the dead to rest already.

Enjoy the "new pure white"... it's pretty good stuff, actually.

Peace...
 
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zero energy is the answer, Centre Glory No have minimal competence and knowledge, probably why they never answer technical questions or provide more data because they don't really know what they are doing with their toy.
IMHO they are a complete waste of space.
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Coroner Gently is helping lots of people in spain to know what´s in their hands.... please, some respect!!!:\
 
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Lectern Orgy On is helping lots of people in spain to know what´s in their hands.... please, some respect!!!:\
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To clarify This is my opinion only and does not represent the opinion of Bluelight or other moderators on Bluelight. If people disagree with my assessment of the scientific validity of their work they are welcome to PM me

they cannot identify stuff that isn't common everyday, they don't run blanks or internal standards, they don't reveal the sample prep or the raw data they don't subtract the background signal. they typically struggle with anything that couldn't probably be identified using a colour test and TLC. so apart from that they have my respect. :|

this is going off topic, if you want to discuss this further we should create a new thread
 
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An unsubtracted single-scan mass spectrum is better than no spectrum at all. :) I don't know Con Regret Only or what they do, but if they're unwilling or unable to provide basic data such as a TIC and/or relevant ion traces, or at the very least a properly averaged and subtracted spectrum, it's an indication that they're not very good at what they're doing. You don't normally run a GC-MS and then throw away half of the results (the GC data).

Without any data on relative abundance, it's not possible to assess the purity or even guess whether the impurity might be responsible for any of the perceived effects.
 
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Personally my MDPV, was purely white in appearance, however the MDPV was not obtained via RC vendor, it was some leftovers in a unnamed university chem closet, ordered from a well-known, legitimate supplier. I "confiscated" the ramaining 6-7 grams, which was stored in a opaque container, in a room that was climate controlled. I unknowingly left some of the white MDPV powder outside of thr container, thus exposed to household moisture levels and UV exposre. Upon inspection a week or so later, the previously purely white compound had become distincting light tan in color. I have yet to test it subjectively; the drug is not my idea of a good time......
 
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It's not really worth the trouble now... the "old tan" is forever gone as an accessible supply. The guy who was selling it, stopped selling it long, long, long ago... lay the dead to rest already.
Peace...
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Com'on Dedbeet.... PV heads = no rest for the dead, hahaha. In case you haven't seen this thread...it's related...

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=569182
 
Just for the sake of the argument... let's say that someone still had a sample of "verifiable" original tan MDPV. Would I be violating any forum rules if I offered to have it tested by GC-MS? (free of charge, of course)

To clarify, I don't know if there still is any original tan in existence, and I'm not looking to score free drugs here (only a fraction of a milligram would be required). I used to work in an analytical lab, and I could still borrow access to the equipment without getting myself into trouble. Granted, I would be taking a certain risk handling a scheduled substance, so a fair amount of discretion would be required. I won't be wasting my time on stuff that might possibly be the original tan just because "it has the right colour".

Curiosity is killing me and I'd love to crack this mystery once and for all.
 
I, and likely others here, have access to this, personally I can easily have some student run a HPLC, but I already roughly know the purity of my from my personal melting-point apparatus, and the orignal container specified that it was ACS grade+. I have no clue what the original use was for the compound, it was somewhat old, but the university has all sorts of esoteric compounds.

As to the RC and 'bath salt' formulations, my guess is that there would significant variance in batch purity/quality, which would be compounded by age of the samples, how they were stored/handled by the various intermediaries, etc. Thus an analysis of a 'sample' would certainly be a curiousity, but would be of limited usefulness.
 
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im goin to give the stuffmonger method a try too. can't believe i spent a whole day and a half reading all 1000 posts.
 
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I didn't try mdpv until febuary 2011. I tried batches from several online suppliers that ranged from clumpy brown powder to white fine crystals. I found that the white turned brown with exposure to moisture and air, I didn't preceive that improving the buzz any. I suspected that my souces were cutting it being as it wasn't as potent as reported and tried washing it with distilled water and seperately acetone, these were ineffective at improving quality. They were water soluble and acetone insoluble for the most part. I tried IVing and smoking all samples. IV the white seemed cleaner and safer then the brown. They all sucked smoking, terrible taste only some rush the first hit.
I in July I purchased a bath salt(eight ballz) from a head shop and tried it. It was an off white powder. Insulfated it seemed a bit more potent then the others. IV it was about half as potent as close to half was insoluble in water. I tried washing(1g in a 2 ounce stainless steel cup in 2x volume of acetone twice in succession) and from 40% to 60% of the of the volume of the powder disappeared. What was left(acetone insoluble) looked almost pure white. The acetone used in the wash left a "tan" residual powder if rapidly cool evaporated(hair dryer blow no heat setting on dinner plate) that would not appear when I tried slowly evaporating the solvent. It(the tan powder)would slowly sublimate(vanish into thin air) if not stored in and airtight container.
This was were it got interesting. The white powder was virtually identical to the white powder from previous vendors(shitty harsh smoked, so so IV. But the tan powder tasted great and had a powerful(almost scarey) rush smoked(not water soluable not IVable) much more in line with the fabled "tan" mdpv.
I've read that this salt has tested as mdpv, so here is my theory:
I think that the reports of mdpv being a liquid only are incorrect, based on extrapollating that amphetamine and methamphetamine are, ergo, so is mdpv. I purpose that the base can form a semi-stable powder if properly handled(airtight containers lower tempatures). I posit that at the final stage of synthesis the base is either directly or while dissolved in some neutral organic solvent is treated with HCL gas, in the case of "eight ballz" incompletely. I guess that the rapid packaging in airtight vials by the "eight ballz" manufacturer protects the unreacted base in their supply from sublimating. I suspect that the "tan" mdpv was the base or predominantly base and as most manufacturers realized the HCL salt form would increase their profits substantially they added or increased the bases exposure to the HCL gas to completion.
I don't mean to push "eight ballz", I don't recommend it, I personally have suffered under it's and the other mdpv's influences. I am curious to know if I am correct though.
The diminished euphoria may be mostly due to chemically induced neurotrauma, I have certainly noticed it with methamphetamine and cocaine, a subject I hope to breach in a post soon.
Please forgive any transgressions, I love science and am learning and interested in harm reduction, I am new to bluelight and open to feedback.
Thanks!
 
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I doubt the tan colored component would sublimate without the acetone wash procedure. My guess is that the acetone is both a solvent and reagent. I've seen small amounts of that brand exposed for days with no apparent loss in volume/mass...no quantitative data to support what I'm saying though.
 
I have to side with the tan devotees on this one. I have had some MDPV that made me so horny/crazy/depraved, not pleasuring myself or someone else was not an option. I've had the "tan", and had a couple long runs with the lesser legendary grey stuff that came out of Europe a couple years ago. That stuff made me think, do and say things I never had before, and have only a couple times since (due to some very good almost-tan). There must be something in the different synths that effects the brain in that way more so than others.
Man.. It was truly some legendary stuff, and not just wishin' for the good ol' days.
Just sayin'.
Happiness,
The Professor
 
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