Talwin NX

[OntarioGuy]

so that answers my question then doesnt it,so If I was in day 2 or so of hard morphine w/d I could in fact slam some Talwin (Not Talwin NX)Provided I used a micron filter?

I think my tolerance would be to high though,the doses I would need would probably be about the dose the unpleasent effects surface.

 

[djsim]

^ it depends on whether pentazocine has a higher affinity than whatever else... in the case of bupe it causes precipitated WDs because it has such a high affinity it displaces the full agonists. But considering the naloxone actually did what it was supposed to when IVd, I'd say it would be quite difficult to throw yourself into preciptated WD unless injecting large quantities. I could be wrong though as it is difficult to extrapolate this sort of thing without actually trying it

 

[OntarioGuy]

^^Yeah But what do you think about morphine?,Cuz thats my doc at the moment.surely 2 days into w/d would be long enough to take a partial agonist/antagonist?I thought Pentazocine might help a little better then say high doses of cwe codeine.

 

[pallidamors]

If you've been in two days of full blown withdrawal, that is certainly enough time for a partial agonist to provide some relief instead of making things worse. Think about it this way, since you're in full withdrawal, there's no morphine molecules left in your synapses for the pentazocine to displace, therefore no precipitated withdrawals.

 

[hydrofanatic]

is there any type of method to extract the pentazocine from the naloxone

 

[megawoof]

ive tried it the injectable version 30mg=1ml was kinda weird like said feel floaty bit nausea only prob is when you inject it after half a hour were you inject it is painful and aches esp if you do muliple injections when i checked it out on wiki it said it causes rotting of the flesh at injection site so quickly stopped using it as really thats how it felt the next day the muscle hurt like hell very cheap drug to buy thou

 

[SparrowHawk]

I'm currently on Suboxone 8mg films. I recently got hold of some Talwin/NX, I have been injecting the suboxone on a regular basis with no problems. Would the Talwin/ NX interact with the suboxone? I have been injecting the Sub's 3 times a day without any problems. I know the Sub's have the naloxone in it but for some reason it doesn't affect injecting the suboxone. Would this be the same for the Talwin/NX or could I take it orally without any problems? I would appreciate a quick response to this question if possible. SparrowHawk

 

[dedalus]

I didn't read through enoough to be sure no-one mentioned this but ive heard of adding lactose to render naloxone inactive. I've heard this from several sources with it being done to talwin and suboxone powders. Someone else would have to give you more information on this though but I am pretty confident there is a way to make talwin lactate and that any naloxone is rendered inactive.

 

[noteauser]

I currently take 3 narco 10/325 daily for 3 months and was once prescribed Talwin NX which i have a bottle of when I was on 4 LT 10/500 a day, it made me so sick the next day when i took it. Now Im out of my narcos and 3 days til refill any suggestions on how to get suboxone only from this drug and I dont use needles. I just have alot of appts to attend and cant be sick right now. slipped discs DDD and migraines if that is a necessary question as to why I'm on these meds. HELP

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Bupe, upcoming surgery, surgeon wants to ween me then use Talwin

Any opioid dependant or addicted person can take Pentazocine (Talwin), provided they wait until the full agonist they are dependant or addicted to is more or less out of their system, and are experiencing mild to moderate withdrawal symptoms.

With long half-life full agonists like Methadone, you have to wait 3 - 5 full days without any Methadone before you can safely take a partial-agonist. Taking Methadone everyday results in a buildup; if a non-dependant person were to take a single dose of Methadone, they wouldn't pass a UA for 3 or 4 days. An MMT patient would have to go 6 - 9 days without a dose of Methadone to pass a UA.

This is why it is standard procedure to taper MMT patients down to at least 30mg (or ideally less) a day, then having them go 3 days without a dose, before transferring them to Buprenorphine.

Sorry to resurrect this, but it is highly relevant for me. In 2 months I will have surgery, the doctor told me since i'm on suboxone, she will have my sub clinic drop my dose very fast in about 2 weeks, i'm at 12 mg, i'm already asking to be dropped to 10 next month and then she'll have me drop 2mg per week and i'll have to endure 5 days without anything then have surgery. Am I going to feel the Talwin's painkilling effect ? Or will I have to shoot them ? (In Canada Talwin is just Talwin, not Talwin NX, there is no Naloxone in them, and only one dosage exists, 50mg). She told me I would have to take 4 or 5 of the Talwins everyday. She uses Talwin on people who are on suboxone but necessitate surgery, does that make sense? Also, Talwin is not a partial agonist like bupe, it's a pure agonist with slight weaker antagonist effects with some Demerol-like (and probably Levo-Dromoran...man I'd love to have the 2mg pills of that stuff, it's still here) hallucinations because it's also an NDMA antagonist (btw, why doesn't methadone cause anything funky to happen?).

I'm asking this because I think bupe even if a partial agonist, taken long term like I am doing, it's been what, since august 2013 that I'm on bupe, never raised my dose of 12mg, it takes care of everything with my benzos (another point for letting people take their benzos while on suboxone, even the booklet doesn't say to stop them, it says dose reduction, to consider). The benzos make the methadone (before the suboxone) and now the suboxone mean I need less opiates (never went higher than 60mg of methadone on my meager 20mg of valium a day). Will something with mild antagonist effects, even if it's strong in the agonist department work well on somebody like me? The reports I read on how opiate receptors of people who take sub at high doses (although 12mg isn't that much when I think of all the people at the clinic who tell me they are on retarded doses of 20mg+..sorry, that's my final decision on this, like people on more than 100mg of methadone...unless they are people who were on bupe and went back to methadone because the root of it all is pain issues and then noticed how bupe raised their tolerance even more than methadone ever did).

Because, listen (please don't do this), when I was on 45 to 60mg of methadone, I have shot some Dilaudid 4mg pills, since the high is so short and it's all for the rush, I was surprised to feel them and I was glad. I managed to put my hands on a huge jar of 4mg Dilaudid (100+ pills) for almost free while on my suboxone treatment and I stupidly out of boredom tried to shoot some after not taking bupe for 24 hours, shooting up to 20mg of dilaudid barely caused a rush, then I got major respiratory depression, pulled my Symbicort inhaler and used it like crazy, it was the first time ever I felt this dreaded respiratory depression, and I felt it while completely awake! I looked at a graph about how bupe doses "pile up" on each other according to time, and I don't know if 5 days without any bupe will be enough to feel the Talwin, while I'll be in serious pain. I asked her if anything else was in option, and she said "I'd be really surprised" with a smirk. But hell, if the pain is crazy from a surgery...what is the equivalence of 50mg (1 pill) of Talwin(pentazocine) to say oxycodone orally. We got generic oxycontin here, if I can get at least 60 reds I know I'll be fine, it's the only thing that saved my ass when I lost my box of suboxone one time after just 2 days (we get it weekly like methadone in canada), so after calling everyone i know I managed to find APO-Oxycodone CR 60mg (Apotex generic oxycontin) and I slept all day after 4 days of nothing.

Any insight from someone who's knowledgeable regarding opiates (more than me) help out please

 

[speedballs_over]

^^Maybe, I haven't bothered to look it up but if one is water soluble and the other absolutely is not, a CWE would work. Or any solvent that only one of the two will completely dissolve in, and the other not at all - e.g. acetaminophen vs. opioids. If this is the case you can properly separate them, otherwise you're looking at:

Getting and using the materials to get a good recovery would be nearly impossible unless you're working in as well equipped lab and with a lot of material - 500mg - 1Kg qtys of each to recover, trying to recover say 100-mg would cost more than a bundle of dope and not be worthwhile. Forget that idea, if it won't work easily as a CWE. You'll need to know the partition coefficient for each in a polar and a non-polar solvent to do the extraction and it just may not be possible without an industrial sized chromatographic column.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

^^Maybe, I haven't bothered to look it up but if one is water soluble and the other absolutely is not, a CWE would work. Or any solvent that only one of the two will completely dissolve in, and the other not at all - e.g. acetaminophen vs. opioids. If this is the case you can properly separate them, otherwise you're looking at:

Getting and using the materials to get a good recovery would be nearly impossible unless you're working in as well equipped lab and with a lot of material - 500mg - 1Kg qtys of each to recover, trying to recover say 100-mg would cost more than a bundle of dope and not be worthwhile. Forget that idea, if it won't work easily as a CWE. You'll need to know the partition coefficient for each in a polar and a non-polar solvent to do the extraction and it just may not be possible without an industrial sized chromatographic column.

I'm not sure why you're speaking of extractions and gas chromatographs Canadian Talwin does not contain Naloxone, so I don't have to remove it. My question was more along the lines of "are the so-called specialists who will ween me off suboxone because I need surgery in a couple months and since this surgeon only uses Talwin on "addicts", because of its full agonist but also (mild) antagonist properties, so I don't "enjoy" it too much. Although apparently, Pentazocine when slammed is quite something. I would be willing to try it (and not mix any antihistamines, at least not in a needle, I'd eat my regular script of Hydroxyzine which is used on me for multi-purposes (helps with not abusing benzos, makes suboxone seem stronger so I don't need too high of a dose). I can get special filters made for pills called SteriFilts, they're an alternative to wheel(micron) filters.

But I most likely won't do it, because hey, if I can ween myself off with this opioid that isn't as strong on the opiate receptors as bupe (even if a a partial agonist, it's binding abilities are so ridiculously strong apparently long term use of suboxone is a bad idea, can leave one with unnatural opi receptors for the rest of their lives, which is unknown still what this means. Well, here, we never were allowed Subutex in Canada, they were about to allow it then Rickett-Whatever came up with Suboxone which made the anti-drug regulators salivate and forget about Subutex. We also didn't have bupe as a painkiller like in europe with the famous .2mg Temgesic pills. We now have BuTrans patches for mild to moderate chronic pain, but that could never work on me lol, my grandmother wear the strongest patch and it is 20ug an hour, not something for somebody who used to slam 52mg of Dilaudid a day before seeking help.

 

[fukme]

When I had never used an opiate stronger than propoxyphene, they got me pretty buzzed, but I found that once I had used opiates/oids for a few years Talwin always made me very VERY shitty and dysphoric. I can't believe people still even get them. Docs know kappa agonsists suck and sometimes rx' them as a "fuck you" script

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I remember that combination. Back in the early 70s, we called it "Tees and Blues."

Essentially, Tees and Blues was two Talwin tablets combined with two blue antihistamine tablets. You could either just take them orally, or crush them and inject them.

The effect was a bit like really low-grade heroin. Most people would only choose to do them when there was absolutely nothing else around.

Do you remember Doriden? Or how people would combine it with Tylenol with codeine, or "Doors and fours" and how unfortunately a lot of people OD'd on it?