Talking to frequent lsd users

[louisvillemusicman]

I have a lot of friends who trip a lot, like every weekend at the least. One big thing that I've noticed is that they think they are completely right about everything dealing with tripping.
Example: I have friends who tell me listening to a specific album while you're tripping is the best thing to listen to. When I have tripped I find their suggestions to be not as great as they say.
Anybody else been in this situation? I am the only one out of my friend circle who notices this but just about any topic that could possibly come up, the guys who have tripped way to many times to even be seen as possible are always the ones that are extremely hardheaded.
Cool story, right? Though like sharing some random thoughts

 

[shwagg]

answer: it was awesome for them while they were tripping, so they think its awesome.
if theres anything that they should have realized, its that everyone is different, and that they should be more open minded. these people sound like the opposite of lsd users.

maybe they've confused lsd with meth.

 

[louisvillemusicman]

That's exactly what I think too (not the meth part haha)
I think they have just done it a few times too many. 40 times sounds like a bit much, eh?
It's only how some of them are. The others don't really tell me what I should and shouldn't do. They're the fun people

 

[dankstersauce]

Yeah I've found the same thing. I remember candy flipping around some hippie kids (like they were hardcore sell drugs at shows for a living type kids) and they were huge buzz kills.

Like only listening to certain music, arguing about nonsense and just being pricks. I don't think it is the drugs that make people that way, I think its more them constantly being surrounded by people who agree with them constantly and kinda feeling like they understand everything and they're right about everything.

I don't know about anyone else but I don't wanna talk about PETA or the environment or shit like that when I'm peaking. Maybe on the comedown or day after but during the trip I wanna giggle, chain smoke and generally act like a 4 year old.

 

[Shambles]

It's not about having done too much, I'd say. I'd actually almost say the opposite. Thinking your own preferences and tastes (and especially trying to ram them down people's throats) must apply to others cos they happen to like the same drug is hardly a shining example of psychedelic insight. Kinda closed-minded really. Or just plain ol' youthful enthusiasm. Sounds like they are maybe fairly young and (comparatively) less experienced with psyches? You can easily notch up 40 trips fairly quickly if you're doing it very frequently. Any lessons and insights you may or may not gain from psyche use take time to develop. Tripping every weekend is fun but if you don't allow time to reintegrate and understand the experience you don't tend to get much out of it beyond a good night.

 

[louisvillemusicman]

^^ I like those thoughts. I try not to trip a lot just because of the rapid tolerance buildup. but it's probably also good because I don't need to be doing that a lot. It takes my mind off of what's important and that isn't good for school or home life or myself. It's just that tripping is so damn fun! lol It's fun to have everything you know be different. It isn't like a movie where you watch it and say "well that was cool, but none of that is real," what you see is perceived as real. At least that's my thoughts on it. I analyze this a lot because I will probably go into psychology after college. And I like seeing how people react to certain things

 

[max_]

they're probably just trying to get you to feel what they felt.. and that's sadly(or happily) impossible..

 

[nopipesdfw]

How the hell can you trip that much and still take your opinion over bare tastes so seriously?

It boggles me...

 

[Tunnelfission]

It's likely just specific types of users that become hardheaded as they trip more often or become more cynical. I personally lose the need to defend my ego when i'm tripping and act rather to study others imposing or dominative attitudes. I get annoyed by a lack of humbility.

 

[MrFaust]

sounds like a fairly childish view of pychedelics... Just cause one person likes one thing doesnt mean somebody else is going to like it, and when these two people are tripping anything goes.

 

[Solipsis]

One thing I wanna add is that psychedelics can suppress the ego temporarily and put it in its place so to speak, allowing you to see this different view - feeling like a meta-perspective, sort of dissociated or hyperassociating... hopefully you know what I am talking about.

The phenomenon called enlightenment (especially temporarily, a glimpse) can actually boost the ego upon re-integration. There is stuff written about it, IIRC they call it an inflated ego or enlightened ego which sounds like a paradox. It is, it's a lie, and it's not really uncommon.
As I understand it it's partially confusion, your ego thinks that it itself is getting enlightened which is nonsense because it has to shut the hell up to go in that direction. And its partially a defense mechanism perhaps, since the ego is programmed since quite young age generally to fight for its right to exist and transcend above other things and prosper, to get ahead.

You see it in the new age scene as well, people get a small glimpse of mystical or enlightened states... some then feel like they're onto something (can be confusing and/or constructive), some go much too fast and actually become more self-centered. I've been attracted to it as well and tried to stay out of the pitfalls when I noticed this. That is not to say I feel above it now but realizing you are kidding yourself thinking you have just become an enlightened being just like that is the first step on the path to getting over yourself, which is a good plan.
I am not involving myself in enlightenment that much anymore, I believe in meditation and mysticism in the sense that we sometimes need to just let go of all the endless rationalizing, trying to understand and conceptualize. It doesn't really promote a feeling of peace and balance.
For the record I think that mystical states and enlightenment are extremely often confused with each other, that mystical states are much easier to induce and take less work than (temporary) enlightenment and that the meaning of enlightenment is that reality awakes from the dream that is you and NOT that it is you who awakenes from the dream that is reality.

Sorry if it seems like I went totally off-topic but my main point is that tripping can make you deluded in the falsely awakened ego kind of way I described and that can be a reason why people think they got the answers, that how they see things is objective all of a sudden. Either that or those people were like that before they ever tripped and they just didnt go full-monty in those trips. A real shredding deep trip can be quite humbling and has a bigger chance of stripping away leftover pretention. At least for a little while

 

[nefariouscaine]

^^ I would have to agree there to a large extent - its good sense and sounds like those people have definitely become more closed minded while doing something which should be more expanding

My thoughts would def be that more LSD needs to be taken - much more - I am a firm believer that its not until you wash away reality in a bath of LSD that you gain a appreciation for numerous things - if only for a period of time (tends to be short lived for me before I'm cynical again...)

Many moderate trips won't do it and would as point in case make you an "acid snob" at times but I also wouldn't suggest to most to dive as deep or as often in LSD as what others do - too much of a good thing can be bad or just mundane after a while

I didn't break through until I lost myself for hours in blissful nothingness to find myself standing in the house seeing and feeling the wind which was not there blow through all of existence allowing me to bask in its warmth

always been about trying to totally shed away the concepts of reality with pyschs

But can I suggest what would work for you to hit that moment I felt... no... I can't even say for sure what I'd need to do in order to hit that same plateau again (and this saddens me)

I would only suggest to OP to be more open minded than those you were reflecting on - try their things, try your things, try new things, the variety in experience could be what leads to an expansive awakening

now i've gone off on a tangent that could be totally unrelated and think its now time for sleep for me...

 

[nopipesdfw]

That is not to say I feel above it now but realizing you are kidding yourself thinking you have just become an enlightened being just like that is the first step on the path to getting over yourself, which is a good plan.

Environmental temptation will never leave, in fact, those temptations also feel better (in the sense of stimulation, not logically) than ever before imo! Anybody who says that they have lost ALL pointing towards previous tendency needs to realign their senses before they suffer some more in extra hilarious looking delusion. (What about those that have permanently reached TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT?!?! I must say that I would like to tell that fellow to shut up and put up with time and then I'll be able to judge said person like they will presumably judge everybody else.)

 

[dropsonde]

it's your trip, not theirs.

 

[shady4091]

One thing I wanna add is that psychedelics can suppress the ego temporarily and put it in its place so to speak, allowing you to see this different view - feeling like a meta-perspective, sort of dissociated or hyperassociating... hopefully you know what I am talking about.

The phenomenon called enlightenment (especially temporarily, a glimpse) can actually boost the ego upon re-integration. There is stuff written about it, IIRC they call it an inflated ego or enlightened ego which sounds like a paradox. It is, it's a lie, and it's not really uncommon.
As I understand it it's partially confusion, your ego thinks that it itself is getting enlightened which is nonsense because it has to shut the hell up to go in that direction. And its partially a defense mechanism perhaps, since the ego is programmed since quite young age generally to fight for its right to exist and transcend above other things and prosper, to get ahead.

You see it in the new age scene as well, people get a small glimpse of mystical or enlightened states... some then feel like they're onto something (can be confusing and/or constructive), some go much too fast and actually become more self-centered. I've been attracted to it as well and tried to stay out of the pitfalls when I noticed this. That is not to say I feel above it now but realizing you are kidding yourself thinking you have just become an enlightened being just like that is the first step on the path to getting over yourself, which is a good plan.
I am not involving myself in enlightenment that much anymore, I believe in meditation and mysticism in the sense that we sometimes need to just let go of all the endless rationalizing, trying to understand and conceptualize. It doesn't really promote a feeling of peace and balance.
For the record I think that mystical states and enlightenment are extremely often confused with each other, that mystical states are much easier to induce and take less work than (temporary) enlightenment and that the meaning of enlightenment is that reality awakes from the dream that is you and NOT that it is you who awakenes from the dream that is reality.

Sorry if it seems like I went totally off-topic but my main point is that tripping can make you deluded in the falsely awakened ego kind of way I described and that can be a reason why people think they got the answers, that how they see things is objective all of a sudden. Either that or those people were like that before they ever tripped and they just didnt go full-monty in those trips. A real shredding deep trip can be quite humbling and has a bigger chance of stripping away leftover pretention. At least for a little while

This is exactly right in my experience. I've noticed at least a few people who seem to think that since they've taken LSD they have "dissolved their ego" so to speak and are enlightened. But it's exactly like you said, this is contradictory because to think in a sense like "I see things so much clearer than you, I've lost my ego" is very egotistical in itself.

LSD has the potential to help in breaking down these barriers, but only if you really want to, and commit to it. You're not enlightened because you've taken LSD a handful of times...

 

[SourCream]

Why don't you make them aware of that while they are tripping so they can think deeply on it and you can all discuss it...

 

[Solipsis]

What about those that have permanently reached TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT?!?! I must say that I would like to tell that fellow to shut up and put up with time and then I'll be able to judge said person like they will presumably judge everybody else.

The following is my opinion, if that is not evident:
No one ever really arrives at true enlightenment, especially since it's all about the path and not about some goal, not anything teleological. But what I can believe is that there is a handful of people who have really minimized (not eliminated) internal dissonance so to speak.
Even these spiritual teachers who hardly ever explicitly make any claims about what they are able to do or whatever... even they tend to say that they still have a battle with temptations every day, temptations to be superficial.

In my experience there is an acute ego-reaction to everything, something like an automatic pilot that is something like how you are programmed by things you picked up in your life... and immediately after that comes a higher consciousness, to some extent differing in everyone. By this higher consciouness I don't mean anything paranormal but just what remains if you are perfectly honest with yourself, in total synchrony.

If I see a mutant looking person walking outside, my immediate reaction is: 'ugh what the hell he or she is so ugly!', only after that I realize that this is a person with feelings and that it wouldn't be fair to treat him or her any differently, and also how I would feel if I had such a body.
That's just an example that there can be a different amount of lag between this honest awareness about things that happen and the acute reaction of this shell we have around us. I think there can be a lot of lag or you can only have the ego-reaction if there are issues unresolved, uncertainties that make you lash out to other people.
One of these things is that we tend to hate in others what we fear in ourselves. (Men who hate homosexuals does that one ring a bell?).

I also think that people are brought up in childhood to believe that they can be identified by this ego, that that is what they are and nothing else remains. After the purity of being a child, that is what follows - pidgeonholed thought to help us function in a complex world. Much later we ought to see that this is just a method, a construct we built that is not the way things are but a way to help us cope and deal and understand superficially.

It's not that I want to promote anything, judge people or define myself... I just thought that discussing ego games is relevant to the reaction we have to tripping on acid frequently. There is probably a sort of jojo-effect and it takes a headbashing breakthrough and/or some effort in personal development to shift that towards resolving things within yourself to create balance and consequentially be balanced towards others / your environment.