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Taking psychedelics when having a mental disorder

Seriously, check out www.theicarusproject.net/‎ for alternative mental health information.


Also, in my personal experience, entheogens have been overwhelmingly beneficial.. I began experiencing relatively severe ideas of reference around age 15 during a period of very heavy marijuana abuse. I remember the first public incidence,, I kept hearing a subliminal code language in the conversation around me, usually directed at my interior thought dialogue. It got paranoid quickly, and I ended up freaking out and screaming at my friends, even going as far as jumping up and trying to instigate a fight with some of them while we were just chilling, blazing, and rapping Atmosphere's God Loves Ugly ha. I realized real quick what was happening, and, embarrassed, apologized and blamed the potent strain.. But, even though the secret conversation stopped for a minute, I noticed right away that my friends had been possessed by the God and Devil archetypes, and that I was the current incarnation of the Christ figure. I spent the next few months completely reckless, disregarding all traffic and social convention, under the assumption that I was immortal and invincible.

At this point I hadn't begun actually hallucinating, I was just intensely delusional. And confused. I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that what was going on wasn't exactly normal, and I didn't have enough perspective and self-awareness to recognize anything in the first place anyway..

So I stumbled upon some acid while wiggin' out on the new rave scene and bunches of thizz pills. I had experimented with aya once before, and LSA a few times, and I was eager. Overly eager probably. I ended up spending the next couple of months in a psychedelic stupor. But, oddly enough, this binge basically alleviating all of the negative symptoms I had been experiencing.

Except, they also triggered a massive swell in the perception of very realistic hallucinations. Not the typical and pretty colors and morphing of the trip, but like, a flying-squirrel-winged panther made out of shadows that lived in my closet and ate the birds around my apartment complex and told me secret things. Or a shape-shifting jungle girl witch who danced around on the yellow traffic lines and electrical cables and trees and all that noise.
They were never scary though, despite the grotesque and incredibly surreal nature of it all. It was welcome.. I was special.. Ya know?

So, when I was finally burnt out, I began to do research into the spiritual and practical effects of entheogens. Not the abuse or recreational aspects.. I was always an avid student of anything esoteric, and I was enthralled. Over the next few years, I regimented a highly controlled and definitely therapeutic practice of shamanic and occult activity, almost invariably aided by entheogen and indian medicines.

Now, a few years since, I'm basically under control. I still experience ideas of reference almost always, but they're not directive or accusatory or paranoid; they're just like, talking to god. I'm very spiritual, and I've become ridiculously avid in my writing pursuits. I've almost finished my collection of refined word salad, and I'm gonna submit it to publishing houses! And I'm pursuing education in Linguistics and the other Cognitive Sciences.

I also still hallucinate a lot.

But the greatest benefit I have recognized, is in the acceptance of it all.
I was originally terrified and confused and just, weirded out. I was weird.
And, due to my psychedelic exploration, I feel like this really is just par for the course of people borne into my archetype.
I'm excited about life, and not suicidal (not really anyway ha) anymore.


I guess, thanks psychonauts. You all rock. And don't hide. Be bold. Be loud. And stay strong. (:
 
Everyone is "mentally ill". The question is not whether you're ill, but what kind of illness do you have?
 
I have schizoid personality disorder and am diagnosed with bipolar II (overwhelmingly depressed). I wasn't diagnosed with either before I started taking psychedelics but knew I was depressed and had the same symptoms that I do now. I've also suffered from anxiety during times of extreme stress or after drug abuse (frequent 6-APB abuse caused the worst post-acute anxiety I've ever experienced)

The first few trips triggered brief hypomania. That might have just been because they were very positive experiences as I tend to get that way from non-drug experiences. No other drugs (besides lots of cannabis) were taken during these trips.

Subsequent trips have been mixed. I started taking Wellbutrin and have gotten a few panic attacks when tripping since. I just wrote about it here. I think Wellbutrin can lower the threshold for anxiety in general, so that probably makes things a bit worse, but I don't think the panic attacks were specifically triggered by Wellbutrin or my mental issues. I've also tripped while on Zoloft (an SSRI, which reduces psychedelic effectiveness) and Lamictal (mood stabilizer), and while drunk and/or on benzos. While some of the trips were negative experiences, none of them made my conditions worse; any negative after effects lasted no more than a day. None of the trips resulted in any lasting personality changes or new insight, either.
 
There very well may be something to a link between Wellbutrin and increased anxiety. When I was taking it, I got seriously racing thouhts that just couldn't settle, as if I were thinking many things at once.. I've never been anxious before, but I assume that's what it's like?
 
fouriv said:
I got seriously racing thouhts that just couldn't settle, as if I were thinking many things at once

Yeah, once your brain gets going you can't turn it off, and it tends to snowball from there being one thing poking at you to the whole world being a bunch of broken glass cutting you up from all directions.

As for wellbutrin, it's an NDRI, so anxiety is a common side effect.
 
Man, I hated antipsychotics. I also tried Zyprexa, and that made me way suicidal and sunken in. And Lexapro just made my appetiteinsatiable. And Seroquel made me sleep exhaustively, to the pointofdreary apathy.
 
Like people are saying, very dangerous. However, just speculation, controlled use by a mentally ill person could be beneficial for their illness.
 
Like people are saying, very dangerous. However, just speculation, controlled use by a mentally ill person could be beneficial for their illness.

I think dangerous is a strong word. Anyone can flip out on psychedelics none of us here can say whether she or anyone new to psychedelics "mental disorder" or no "mental disorder" will have a positive or negative experience, its a roll of the dice for all humans. People who are " mentally unstable " can hold down trips just as well as anyone else. If someone were suicidal or harmed themselves or others that is the only time I would question it.

Its all speculation, if the girl wants to try them let her try some mushrooms.

I have seen " normal " people go apeshit, and the ones im borderline worried about always do fine, I feel some disorders may make pyscadelica more enjoyable and rewarding because it can help alot of people.
 
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