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taking piracetam during a roll. results.

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tchap

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i know that piracetam seems to help neurotoxic damage, helps the e hang over and all that jazz, and just generally helps with everyday life.

i was curious to know what would happen if ingested during a roll.
i decided to test upon myself out of simple curiosity and thinking that it couldnt do that much harm.

1 pill was taken at a show, and the effects were felt in full. 3 grams of piracetam were dropped about midway though a roll, once it had comfortably kicked in and within 30-45 minutes the effects of the drug has fallen off sharply to a point where the effects were nonexistent. consumption of another pill had a mild effect, say a 4/10 on a scale of 1-10. but a true peak was never achieved.

t: 0:00 - ingest a pill
t: 0:45 - feel a mild come up. have also had 2 shots at this point just for giggles. this was also the first time consuming alcohol in conjunction with e.
t: 1:00 - strong roll. dancing is very enjoyable. music is lovely and embracing. everything is warm and wonderful. palms pouring sweat. eyes HUGE (my eyes are blue so it's a dead give away)
t: 1:30 - still going strong. have another drink. the alcohol gives me a slight slur. flirting with girls is great. you know, the usual fun roll experience.
t: 2:30 - at this point, it's still going strong. i decide now will be a good time to put myself to the test. i take 4x 800mg pills ~ 3.2grams.
t: 2:45 - brain feels fuzzy. not a bad fuzzy but like a "hmm.... fuzzy"
t: 3:15 - stark sober out of no where. no come down, no ease into sobriety. just BAM, sober.
t: 3:45 - no come up happens again. sometimes rolls come in waves but this wave has peaked, the crest over and now everything is just mellow. i will not be coming back up.
t: 5:00 - ingest another pill after an hour and a half of waiting to see how i felt. pill was crushed and parachuted.
t: 5:45 - feel a very slight come up. almost like a pipe "come up," but it was weak.
t: 6:25 - carpet at home is feeling nice. the heater feels good. talking with my friend is also enjoyable. we have deep conversations about the night but a peak never comes.
t: 6:45 - same as before. feel content but nothing more.
t: 7:00 - stone cold sober again.

i dont know what anyone will say about this. i just thought it would be interesting for someone to read. i know lots of people say piracetam will bring tolerance down before a roll and help after. i think its fair to say that curiosity about taking P during a roll shouldnt be that silly. it seems like a waste of a roll but im sure someone else has had this thought too.
 
I had the same kind of experience with taking piracetam while rolling i found it best to take before rolling and after.
 
im glad to know i wasnt the only person who was curious about this.
 
How often do you roll?
1 pill might only last up to your 3 hour mark for people who havent even rolled before, let alone someone with a tolerance.
Maybe it wasnt even the piracetam.
And also, you might have gotten the head fuzz because you should take a choline source with that much piracetam (i use choline bitartrate)

regardless of that, the pill you took at 5 hours in would never have peaked.. You cant go all the way down and expect to peak again with a redose that late in.
 
No Consequence said:
How often do you roll?
1 pill might only last up to your 3 hour mark for people who havent even rolled before, let alone someone with a tolerance.
Maybe it wasnt even the piracetam.
And also, you might have gotten the head fuzz because you should take a choline source with that much piracetam (i use choline bitartrate)

regardless of that, the pill you took at 5 hours in would never have peaked.. You cant go all the way down and expect to peak again with a redose that late in.
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i roll occasionally. major events and things of the sort. i can roll for hours on one pill. entire events. i dont like to do large amounts to keep my tolerance down; it's also cheaper, so thats a plus too!

i like the head fuzz and never take the P with choline. never get headaches so never felt the need to. i typically take roughly 3 grams of P for a few days in a row every few days.

and typically i can drop a roll, wait a few hours for a come down and then continue to drop again and get a peak. like i said, i keep my tolerance low.
 
tchap said:
i roll occasionally. major events and things of the sort. i can roll for hours on one pill. entire events. i dont like to do large amounts to keep my tolerance down; it's also cheaper, so thats a plus too!

i like the head fuzz and never take the P with choline. never get headaches so never felt the need to. i typically take roughly 3 grams of P for a few days in a row every few days.

and typically i can drop a roll, wait a few hours for a come down and then continue to drop again and get a peak. like i said, i keep my tolerance low.
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Well maybe piracetam is just not good during a roll :/ haha
i was curious of this though, so thanks for trying.

and typically once you come down from a roll, you can't go back up, at least not to a double peak (i know this from experience, other people's experience, AND i think Shulgin wrote something where he came to the conclusion that a re dose after say 2 hours has very minimal effects, other than say speedy ones. Dont quote me on that one though).
 
No Consequence said:
Well maybe piracetam is just not good during a roll :/ haha
i was curious of this though, so thanks for trying.

and typically once you come down from a roll, you can't go back up, at least not to a double peak (i know this from experience, other people's experience, AND i think Shulgin wrote something where he came to the conclusion that a re dose after say 2 hours has very minimal effects, other than say speedy ones. Dont quote me on that one though).
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yeah! i didn't think much, if any, harm would come from this so i figured why not?

i didn't expect a full blown peak. i knew that wouldn't happen. but i did expect a pick up that didn't really occur either in energy or simple perceptual distortion. neither happened. straight sober. it's cool though.
i hadn't seen a thread on this so i figured i'd make one for those curious people like us!
 
The only time I've ever rolled over 3 hours on a single dose of MDMA was during a candyflip (LSD+MDMA). My rolls typically last 2-2.5 hours.

I honestly don't think that the piracetam killed your roll, there are too many factors that could have influenced you to come down.
 
I take Piracetam daily, and find it has an incredible effect on my mood and anxiety - makes everything seem enhanced somehow.

Anyway, I did exactly the same thing with 2C-P last weekend (dosing about 1.5 to 2 hours into the 2C-P trip) and it seemed to half the intensity of the trip immediately, whilst making me very clear-headed. it also completely eliminated the body load (though I find this to be mild with 2C-P anyway). I found this odd, given that the general consensus is that it potentiates phenethylamines, and when I took it a couple of hours before taking MDMA a while back, it potentiated the MDMA wildly. Hell it even makes a single MDAI and 5AI capsule feel like a strong pill, with a 6 or so hour duration.

Piracetam is an odd substance indeed.
 
t: 3:15 - stark sober out of no where. no come down, no ease into sobriety. just BAM, sober.
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I hate that. The first 5 to 10 times I did E there was no come down. High as a kite and then 3 or 3.5 hours later suddenly this feeling like an elevator dropping and I would go from mad high to stone cold sober as could be in just a few seconds. Worst.....thing......ever. I called them "cliff drops".

On the plus side, those were the most amazing highs ever and when the "cliff drops" stopped and I started coming down slowly the magic of the high was never quite the same....but I'm kind of weird I guess....the longer I used MDMA the more I enjoyed that mellow part after the peak rather than that insane "WTF just happened feeling of the peak"
 
I've had very good result with preloading on Piracetam and then dropping. I think it's a better idea to take like 1-2g daily for seven days before you drop. I've never tried taking Piracetam while rolling and I don't really see the need for it.

I actually find that Piracetam make the come down from MDMA much more fun. It's almost like I stop noticing that I am coming down.

Sorry to hear that you didn't have an awesome experience.
 
I actually made up some caps last night to test this very thing. Have some nice strong dutch pills that i need to take in halfs - 180mg mdma pills :) - so i filled the caps with half a pill and the rest with piracetam - probably 100mg.

Wondering if that's not such a hot idea now!
 
Why Piracetam didn't work for you

I have been taking Piracetam for several months now during recovery. I think I can explain why this wouldn't work. At the same time...

I can always feel my Piracetam takes at least 2-3 hours to 'peak', sometimes it takes half a day.

Why it is building up, it actually INCREASES my anxiety sometimes. Sometimes a LOT.

I have had reports from non MDMA users that Piracetam can make them irritable and impatient. People also report sensitivity to stimulants, like coffee.

My opinion is simple: wait until the Piracetam has peaked.

What this means is, the Piracetam increases blood flow in the brain - specifically to the corpus collusum - the great exchange center for the two hemishperes.

This process actually induces anxiety as it builds up, but once you get through it....you feel more alive! It can be quite amazing.

This is especially true with a larger single dose, rather than with repeated dosing. The first dose is the most potent.

I recommend the attack dose, 1600 mg should be fine. Take them at least 3-5 hours BEFORE your roll. Do NOT take the tabs until after the piracetam starts to lighten up. If you have a full stomach it may take even longer.

Once you start to come down from the roll, pop another piracetam. It will definitely help clear your head quickly, but it might make sleeping an impossibility. I strongly believe that this contributes to harm reduction.

The extra blood flow and the more effective distribution of neurotransmitters will help clear away toxic metabolites faster.
Of course, you have already been taking 3-4 grams of Vit C every 3 hours throughout the day, right? This offers much more protection.

Oh yeah, always take your Piracetam with 2-3 fish oil pills and some choline. They are all made for each other.
 
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