Stimulants Taking dilaudid (first-time) to sleep after a night of amphetamine?

[sunnycidal]

Hello all

So I'm going to an overnight rave in a couple of weeks and plan on taking some speed (not meth). I've taken the speed I have multiple times and I enjoy it very much but the problem is I always have an impossible time sleeping when I get home the next day. One of my friends, however, just had surgery and was prescribed 2mg Dilaudid. He recommended giving me one and taking it orally after the rave to help calm my heart rate and sleep easier.

Now I've never f*cked with opiates so I have no tolerance and don't know what to expect. I did some research and got mixed results and posts about dying in your sleep got me a little bit nervous. I know Dialudid is an incredibly strong painkiller so I was wondering if taking 2mg orally after a night of binging on amphetamines would be an ok idea or if I should just tough it out and let my body fall asleep naturally? Does it matter that I may or may not throw some MDMA into the mix during the night as well? (Yes I know thats a horrible combo for your brain)

Thanks for the help!

 

[dirzted]

If you use mdma i think that will push you over the line and render the dilaudid irrelevant (depending on dose and all that but still adding more stimulants will not help sleeping, bottom line) but with no tolerance 2mg might help you calm down slightly. Snorting it would get you more of the drug (higher bioavailability intranasally) and might help even more than just popping it.
IME, opiates while coming down makes me more euphoric than if i had just taken the opiate without anything prior (kind of incredible how much better it is honestly) so if i were you i would definitely rail that thing once i started coming down. The dose is so low i don't think you will have any health problems if you're speed dose is in reason for your personal body type (given that you're taking speed and dilaudid, lol).
Good luck, I think whether you take it or not, you'll probably be okay with that dose of dilaudid, however, i would have to strongly recommend that you either do mdma or speed not both because that could be very risky depending on the quality of the mdma you get and if it's cut with anything.

 

[sunnycidal]

Risky as in Speed + MDMA + Dilaudid is dangerous or just in the sense that if the MDMA isn't pure it could then really f*ck me up?
Regardless, thanks for the response!

 

[bunge]

TBH...both are dangerous in their own ways.
A benzodiazepine would be much more appropiate for stim comedowns.

 

[cg9256]

Dilaudids jack me up dude, id be up even longer after takin a few of em. Def agree with the benzos for coming down/fallin asleep. Save your dilaudids and u could have another fun night

 

[dirzted]

Risky as in Speed + MDMA + Dilaudid is dangerous or just in the sense that if the MDMA isn't pure it could then really f*ck me up?
Regardless, thanks for the response!

Risky as in speed+mdma. Stims with stims is not the best choice. Again, if the speed dose is in reason (hopefully you know your body well enough for this if not try doing some more research on stim doses) than 2mg of dilaudid in reality will not be very dangerous, yes benzos are ideal but your question was on dilaudid.
NP man.

 

[The Doc.]

Diladids help me sleep after stims everybody different tho I remember this guy who used to buy Valium's off of me once bought some oxy 5 IR's the blue ones and they looked similar to the Valium and he had em all in the same bottle and took one thinking it was a Valium and phoned me saying what the hell did you give me I can't sleep I'm wired right up and I go ohh u must've took the painkiller then he didn't know what to do and I just told him to read the label next time lol

 

[tricomb]

I highly recommend against associating opioids as your go-to comedown chemical especially after amphetamines, you may find yourself in a deep hole of poly drug abuse sooner than you can ever imagine.

If you can't handle the comedown of the amount of amphetamines you consume, you are consuming more amphetamines than you can handle, it's that simple, don't take so much amphetamines in the first place that you require to use multiple addictive and potent substances that will do nothing for you in the long term.

If you absolutely are dead set on taking reckless amounts of meth/amphetamines that you can't handle yet want to subject yourself to that anyways, I'm not condoning it's safety but even small amounts of quetiapine can be very helpful, that way you don't end up taking a bunch of crazy combinations you will justify while tweaked out like large amounts of cannabis, benzodiazepines, alcohol, or opioids, etc. This just puts you on the freeway in the far left lane, heading nowhere fast. Poly drug addiction is some serious shit that most people don't think through before defaulting to taking a ton of benzos to comedown from amphetamines, or opioids, etc.

They just end up getting two drug addictions, you have to consider that there are lots of things that are less addictive and may even be more effective if you MUST use another chemical to comedown, like I said, quetiapine is reportedly pretty effective and targets the exact receptors that amphetamine works on, and I've HEARD that it may even reduce some of the neurotoxicity but I can't back up this statement.

$0.02

 

[sunnycidal]

I highly recommend against associating opioids as your go-to comedown chemical especially after amphetamines, you may find yourself in a deep hole of poly drug abuse sooner than you can ever imagine.

If you can't handle the comedown of the amount of amphetamines you consume, you are consuming more amphetamines than you can handle, it's that simple, don't take so much amphetamines in the first place that you require to use multiple addictive and potent substances that will do nothing for you in the long term.

If you absolutely are dead set on taking reckless amounts of meth/amphetamines that you can't handle yet want to subject yourself to that anyways, I'm not condoning it's safety but even small amounts of quetiapine can be very helpful, that way you don't end up taking a bunch of crazy combinations you will justify while tweaked out like large amounts of cannabis, benzodiazepines, alcohol, or opioids, etc. This just puts you on the freeway in the far left lane, heading nowhere fast. Poly drug addiction is some serious shit that most people don't think through before defaulting to taking a ton of benzos to comedown from amphetamines, or opioids, etc.

They just end up getting two drug addictions, you have to consider that there are lots of things that are less addictive and may even be more effective if you MUST use another chemical to comedown, like I said, quetiapine is reportedly pretty effective and targets the exact receptors that amphetamine works on, and I've HEARD that it may even reduce some of the neurotoxicity but I can't back up this statement.

$0.02

I appreciate the answer but I think you read too much into my post.
First, I'm taking amphetamine, not meth, (its actually ice if you must know). I've taken it multiple times and I like it and it's clean, it just keeps me wide awake for a long time which is fine. I've handled the comedown multiple times, I smoke weed usually to help me sleep or I just stay awake. I don't have some uncontrollable irrationality where I can't handle the comedown or HAVE to fall asleep.
One of my friends happens to have dilaudid and is willing to share and recommended I try it to help sleep after taking the speed. I will not have access to dilaudid or any other opiates after this experience nor do I want to f*ck with them as I know the potential for addiction.
I'm just asking in this situation, since I have the opportunity to try it, if I should take it in hopes of helping me fall asleep. My friend swears by it but at the end of the day its just heresay and I'd like to get a second opinion here on bluelight. It sounded like a good idea but like I said I've never tried dilaudid or any other opiates so I don't know, which is why I'm here.

Again, thank you for the response and everyone else who has responded. I'm still undecided as to what I should do.

 

[randysmackage]

When I was using amphetamines alot, and would want to come down I would use heroin. And it would work wonders in helping me fall asleep. SOMETIMES it would increase my euphoria, and I would still be in a weird awake/asleep state for awhile before sleeping.

I used to be a very heavy opiate and amphetamine user.
SO if your only planning on only taking 2mg, in my book you will absolutely be fine. EVEN with NO tolerance to opiates.

 

[muie]

Given that you have no opiate tolerence the dilaudid you have will not be a complete waste no matter what ROA with the exception of oral, you can plug or snort, IM or IV.

Dilaudid is made to be injected/iv. the rush from dilaudid is better and stronger than the best quality heroin rush and the many opioid users consider this the holy grail due to the rush but also b/c of the incredibly clear headed, lucid euphoric high which compared to morphine is a big step up in terms of nausea and histamine/itch factor. I know people who love their stimulants (coke/meth) and who really don't like heroin or morphine but love dilaudid and hydromorphone is the only opioid they use, on the other hand h addicts don't like D b/c it doesn't have any legs and IMO it's pretty useless considering how 'uppy' and short lasting it is when snorted/plugged. to give u an idea of how different and unique it is even amongst opioids.
Hydromorphone is also one of the few opioid which is a neuroexcitatory substance, the same as cocaine or amphetamines.

If you don't have a tolerence IV'ing 2mg should be enough, 4mg may be too strong but you can always redose!

Plugging or snorting start with 2-4mg u will see shortly as the onset for both is about 2-4min and full on in about 15-20min, as far as ROA goes between the 2 I've done trials and you aren't missing anything by not plugging. Plugging works amazing on morpine but not significanly more than intranasal when it comes to dilaudid. I always snort my Dilaudid! Oral is a complete waste even for a newbie 1mg hydromorphone=20mg codeine so u can just immagine!

IV this and you will remeber it for the rest of your life you cannot got wrong like I said even heroin addicts will tell you Dilaudid is the number one opioid for rushes nothing will beat the rush from Dilaudid, the heroin rush is longer but nowhere near hydromorphone's intensity. I've heard from close friends that its like having God punching you in the back, also a friend compared it to having the insanely strong euphoric rush of cocaine with the effects of morphine to the point where you need to grab/hold onto something during the rush; also that its not something to do everyday specifically b/c of the dedication you need to set aside for the crazy intensity and this is coming from a heroin addict (2-3 shots day).

 

[dirzted]

Given that you have no opiate tolerence the dilaudid you have will not be a complete waste no matter what ROA with the exception of oral, you can plug or snort, IM or IV.

Dilaudid is made to be injected/iv. the rush from dilaudid is better and stronger than the best quality heroin rush and the many opioid users consider this the holy grail due to the rush but also b/c of the incredibly clear headed, lucid euphoric high which compared to morphine is a big step up in terms of nausea and histamine/itch factor. I know people who love their stimulants (coke/meth) and who really don't like heroin or morphine but love dilaudid and hydromorphone is the only opioid they use, on the other hand h addicts don't like D b/c it doesn't have any legs and IMO it's pretty useless considering how 'uppy' and short lasting it is when snorted/plugged. to give u an idea of how different and unique it is even amongst opioids.
Hydromorphone is also one of the few opioid which is a neuroexcitatory substance, the same as cocaine or amphetamines.

If you don't have a tolerence IV'ing 2mg should be enough, 4mg may be too strong but you can always redose!

Plugging or snorting start with 2-4mg u will see shortly as the onset for both is about 2-4min and full on in about 15-20min, as far as ROA goes between the 2 I've done trials and you aren't missing anything by not plugging. Plugging works amazing on morpine but not significanly more than intranasal when it comes to dilaudid. I always snort my Dilaudid! Oral is a complete waste even for a newbie 1mg hydromorphone=20mg codeine so u can just immagine!

IV this and you will remeber it for the rest of your life you cannot got wrong like I said even heroin addicts will tell you Dilaudid is the number one opioid for rushes nothing will beat the rush from Dilaudid, the heroin rush is longer but nowhere near hydromorphone's intensity. I've heard from close friends that its like having God punching you in the back, also a friend compared it to having the insanely strong euphoric rush of cocaine with the effects of morphine to the point where you need to grab/hold onto something during the rush; also that its not something to do everyday specifically b/c of the dedication you need to set aside for the crazy intensity and this is coming from a heroin addict (2-3 shots day).

I understand your point but BL being a HR site telling someone to IV a pill really isn't the greatest thing to say...

 

[GoooMz]

If the speed dose is in reason (hopefully you know your body well enough for this if not try doing some more research on stim doses) than 2mg of dilaudid in reality will not be very dangerous, yes benzos are ideal but your question was on dilaudid.
NP man.

This. Painkillers dont hold a candle to the effects of even a .5 kpin for comedown. sleep is another issue entirely.

 

[cwake18]

This. Painkillers dont hold a candle to the effects of even a .5 kpin for comedown. sleep is another issue entirely.

Agreed. I always have a benzo on hand during stim usage, and if I don't, then stim usage doesn't happen. Opioids aren't indicated for sleep for a reason. The only "sleep" people get from painkillers is from being nodded out for a while. I'll admit they're relaxing, but I can't be the only one that particularly has trouble sleeping when I'm really lit up. I've had several nights when I've done a really good session of H and I literally lay in bed awake all night because I'm too high to fall asleep.

However, recently I was on dilaudid and 8mg IV relaxed me to the point where I slept very well. In the end, I don't recommend an opioid OR a benzo on a forum aimed at harm reduction. Technically, meth/stims plus a CNS depressant like alcohol, benzo, opioid is a "pharmaceutical speedball" as my psychiatrist phrased it once when referring to the simultaneous prescribing of adderall and clonazepam. Truth is, it's dangerous. 2mg Dilaudid is fairly mild due to its short half life so it may be ok. If you choose to use it for the comedown, be careful. It will work better than nothing. I have used H to come down from coke before.

 

[GoooMz]

I'd also like to add that speed for me doesn't work at festivals, especially festivals that i camp at. Cant get that good of sleep and it really fucks with my tripping. Had nice tested acid last year and had a bit of paranoid psychosis at its peek, which I fully pin on the 100mg of adderall I had done over the course of the last day (I have quite a tolerance). In short, if your camping and shit, I would pass on the speed. Those things are marathons and you could be saved by a luke warm bottle of water and shitty portable grill hot dogs, just being sober.

 

[dirzted]

This. Painkillers dont hold a candle to the effects of even a .5 kpin for comedown. sleep is another issue entirely.

I very much disagree but I think the whole point of drug use is that its subjective...
Well subjective on an objective scale... or something...

People take drugs differently than other people take drugs.