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tackling the big issues.... why do poor people have more kids??

wow i was actually talking about this with someone today. Mainly about young kids having babies for money (societies view on this anyway) We disgussed how it's completly stupid that people would think that. (baby bonus etc) I mean sure you get $3000 but then you have a child to raise 24/7 pretty much for the next 16 years (at the very minimum) AND you live under the povery line. Uh huh.... that seems a smart career move huh? *rolls eyes*

I don't know why it is... maybe they just get used to sitting at home and/or are in abusive relationships that they can't get out of, not educated enough about how to get out of that and are tied to the sink bare foot and preggers all the time? who knows really...

I live in a commision house area and i think i'm the only mother with one child on my street. Everyone else has three or plus kids (people on the corner have 8 )

I'm sure there are young kids who feel like that money might be worth it because they really ARE too young to see what an effect a child is actually going to have in their life. Maybe they didn't have love at home and thought they would get it this way? Maybe their parents don't give a shit about them enough to educated them on conraception.... who really knows?

That's not young kids though. We are talking about poor people so maybe that doesn't even cover the same issues but maybe it does?

I think i'm rambling now... :/ I just really don't want to go too much into this issue cos i can get myself getting a bit heated up
 
Re: Hey now!

Originally posted by strumpet
I resent the implication that just because they have some material good, that negates any possiblilty of their being in a loving family.


That is absolutely not what I implied at all. Having both is obviously far better than having only material things and no loving relationship with a parent. I would never suggest that depriving children of things simply because you love them would make their life more fulfilling.

KemicalBurn, if anyone who dies therefore doesn't live a full life, it really kind of defeats the purpose of living at all, no? I've known old people and young people alike who have died having lived a fulfilling and rewarding life. Dying doesn't negate that.
 
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anna! said:
Originally posted by strumpet
I resent the implication that just because they have some material good, that negates any possiblilty of their being in a loving family.


That is absolutely not what I implied at all. Having both is obviously far better than having only material things and no loving relationship with a parent. I would never suggest that depriving children of things simply because you love them would make their life more fulfilling.
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That's good :) But this whole thing probably proves that generalizations are crap.
 
Well, so have I really. If you read my first couple of posts. I was just saying that Mary Poppins's first reply isn't such a far-fetched notion. It DOES happen
 
i think the conclusion that we really have to draw from all of this is that rich people suck ;)

no, seriously, i think the 'filling the [emotional] void' response is the one that would ring true most often.

failing that, it's obvious that there would be a lot of people that are poor due to their own (unfortunate; not neccessarily deserved) personal circumstances. say, you're not a skilled worker and you have a low i.q., you're likely to sit at home all day and do very little.

as someone else alluded to (perhaps kb?) this leads to fewer things of leisure to do - both because of the fact that they don't have the money to do them, and also because they don't have the life experience to recognise the possible pleasure gained from doing whatever it is that they might be - and so sex turns into one of the oft-used leisure activities (potentially moreso than those with lives full of work and other activities).

to take it even further, if we accept that in general these people are of a lower intelligence and lower education status (and i am in no way implying that it's their fault, nor that it's *always* true - i am decidely lower class and i hope i'm not too stupid ;)), they might also have less ability to consider the realistic implications that having one, two, three - and so on - children will have.

that's my rather rambling thoughts on the matter for the moment :)
 
My opinion on this rather hairy tamale is that child-rearing, like anything in life, gets easier with practice. Since we're dead set on the capitalist model of society, why not take specialisation to its natural conclusion and have breeders and workers? I'm more than happy to be a worker, and I know plenty of breeders who are better at that than me. The important thing is that we're allowed the choice.
 
preacha said:

the issue isn't "why do poor people have kids?"

the real issue is "why do people have kids and expect the rest of the country to pitch in for their mistakes?"
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OMG!! Where is the applause smiley!!!
 
Remember you said that next time you use a public hospital if you are in an accident Preacha.
Why should we pay for your mistake?

I really can't fathom how cold alot of you bluelighters are, you have truely come from backgrounds that you have never done without, and by the sound of it, never made mistakes in your life.

I am personally disgusted by some of the comments on here, and I personally won't be making an effort to speak to certain people after learning their true colours.
 
Kendra's quote from the Amazing Race, when describing Senegal:

"This country is wretched and disgusting. And they just keep breeding and breeding in this poverty. I just can't take it"
 
^ stfu (for a few people above - you know who you are)!

I have a child, I got pregnant on the FUCKING pill - due to getting sick, it got cancelled out!

I stayed home and looked after her for the first year of her life ON GOVERNMENT BENEFITS - the next year, I began my 3 year course, recently I tied in a part time job!

And you know what? Some people still aren't friggen happy! Needless to say, the people who decide to pass judgement stayed home with the kids until they reached primary school with the support of their husband - go figure! :\

God some people are shallow - if doofqueen is studying then she's bettering her life. Who more worthwhile to give goverment money to someone who's prepared to make some EFFORT to better their lives? In turn her child will have more opportunites if life. Don't worry what people say doofqueen, you're doing the best thing for your son... :)
 
Originally posted by preacha
excuse me for sounding 'jaded' and everything, but by the statement above, do you expect praise about having only ONE child in your mid-teens with a father that has since left you? also, this has left you in a housing commission street while you pursue a university degree, furtherly leeching tax dollars away from areas in society where it is genuinely needed.

the issue isn't "why do poor people have kids?"

the real issue is "why do people have kids and expect the rest of the country to pitch in for their mistakes?"


normally i agree with what you say. you tend to point out a lot of things that people think but are too afraid to say. some people accuse you of being controversial for the sake of it, but i disagree.

anyway, i think this is over the line.

are you saying that anybody who has a child in a situation where they may have unfortunate financial prospects is a bad person, or a bad parent? should they not be allowed to breed or something?

are you saying that doofqueen should have predicted that the father of her child would not support him as fully as she has? or are you saying that it's her fault that he didn't?

frankly, i think your point of view is condescending (and i like being condescending as much as the next egoist, but not if it's redundant) towards anybody who has ever been unfortunate enough to have had to raise a child - or children - in low socio-economic conditions.

the world ain't a perfect place, and some people aren't always able to give their kids The Best Care In The World, but i think to write those people off - when they're at least trying their best - as people who don't deserve "the rest of the country to pitch in for their mistakes", with the very clear implication of irresponsbility to be not only passing the buck, but entirely unrealistic in terms of the way the world works.

if i expected anyone to realise that this world doesn't always run entirely according to plan, of the select posters here, i would have expected you preacha. for you to insinuate that it's entirely doofqueen's fault that she doesn't have the riches to [insert whatever you think she SHOULD BE DOING here], then i think you're being either naive, or arrogantly, ignorantly polemic.

wow, that wasn't supposed to be such a rant.

and it's so disjointed.

ugh, i'll try to edit it, but i'm drunk :(

i hope it makes some kind of sense.
 
to defend my stance.

i am an only child. i come from by no means an affluent upbringing and am from a single parent family.

yes, my mother received government assistance.

i fail to see how the fact that i have issues with families who insist on procreating and procreating when they themselves do not have the means to support themselves puts me in the "ignorant middle class" pigeon hole?

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i was a mistake...but my mother didn't make the same one twice :\

AND my support of preacha was for his latter comment which strumpet quoted....

doofqueen's situation is her business, and business which i don't know the details of.
 
kandyraverchick said:
^ stfu (for a few people above - you know who you are)!

I have a child, I got pregnant on the FUCKING pill - due to getting sick, it got cancelled out!

I stayed home and looked after her for the first year of her life ON GOVERNMENT BENEFITS - the next year, I began my 3 year course, recently I tied in a part time job!

And you know what? Some people still aren't friggen happy! Needless to say, the people who decide to pass judgement stayed home with the kids until they reached primary school with the support of their husband - go figure! :\

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I willl adopt an Aussie saying "good on ya!" no seriously, that's awesome!! No, really. I think that's amazing. PM me and I will tell you some things about me that put me to shame next to you. I humbly grovel at your knees for your couage.

But you are not a demographic group all by yourself
 
preacha: how is that a personal attack?

i believe that i carefully responded to what you said. obviously i disagree with you, but that's called debate. i didn't resort to namecalling, and i won't.

i respect you and your opinions.

with this one, i respectfully disagree :)

if you point out anything in particular that you think is a blatant personal attack, and i (or any of the other mods agrees is so) will edit it. in fact, if it's bad enough, i'll even claws myself (if i can do that?)

my point is i don't think i've done anything wrong. your post riled me; i responded. feel free to respond similarly.
 
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