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tackling the big issues.... should men earn more money than women??

I believe that everyone should be payed the same base wage regardless of whether they are male female blue with purple spots or gay...........but that those who perform above the average should be encouraged with a larger pay packet.......if that happens to be a girl or a guy then so be it.


Regarding the guy being payed more because he may have to provide child support...........what a load of crock.

The female provides "supposedly" exactly the same ammount of support.

Lets say that the female has custody...........its not just the male who is providing child sup[port in this situation...........the female is as well...........in fact i wouldnt mind betting that she probably provides more than 50%.
 
doofqueen said:
Sorry but that's really a dumb thing to say. Even if it is the woman that chooses to leave the man they still had a child together and the father should at least contribute financially to the child that he helped create.

Also what if it's the man that chooses to leave the woman and the child? That's different or should he still not pay child support?
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as I said in the other post, if the man decides to leave woman/child then he should be faced to pay child support, but if the woman leaves the man - 100% of the time the woman gets custody of the children - then the man has to pay child support.

as I brought up earlier on, why can't the man have custory and the woman pay HIM child support? it doesn't work like this in our system and unfortunately I'm sure a lot of men get screwed over by that (probably not as much as the women do, though)

I am all for equal opportunity, by all means you should be paid on a work basis instead of what you have between your legs - but I just feel that custody of children isn't an equal opportunity, infact I'd dare say that it's definately always going to be on the womans side.
 
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^^ he is saying that men should have the right, not whether they choose to embrace that right
 
anna! said:

Any father with a greater amount of custody of his child will be paid child support by the mother of the child. A man needs more money because he has to pay child support? The idea of child support is that the courts decide a fair amount that is required of BOTH parents to raise a child, and often as a percentage of their salary. So if the father happens to earn more, he will pay more in child support. Not the other way around.
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My dad has to pay child support.

He also earns less than my mum.

My mum doesn't pay child support at all. Due to the fact that I'm over 18 (I understand that)

In Denmark, they went to court and agreed not to pay child support as they both had a child each.

Once me and my dad moved back to australia, and AFTER I turned 18, suddenly my dad had to pay child support.

Because of this, my dad will always be behind in bills and rent.

I don't see how this is fair at all. My mum has enough money as it is, whilst my dad has no pocket money what so ever every week.
 
Oh another thing, I was working in the exact same position as this chick.

She didn't do as much work as me, always complained and didn't put up with a quarter of the shit I had to put up with.

She got treated better, and no-one dared to do anything against her as she is a chick.

I was definately the better person when it came to work, and everyone knew that. Yet I worked alot more, complained alot less, didn't talk back to the others and showed respect.

We got paid the same.




Another thing.

In todays world, there is more discrimination against men then there are women.
 
All rates of pay should be inline with work completed. If a man and a woman are both working a factory line and completing the job as required there should be no difference.

If the man can lift 100 boxes and the woman can only lift 50 then the man should be hired instead of the woman. The woman should not be fired or paid less.

I'm both better and worse at my job than some of the other people I work with, both men and women but we all get the job done, we all get paid the same.

If a woman wants to be on the front line and completes all the training as required, give the girl a gun. I know some mean girls I wouldn't want shooting at me!
 
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I posted this in Mariposa's "The paternal responsibility debate" in SLR located here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183387&r=57

^^ This question is a lot more complex. Most 'accidental' pregnacy's are caused by irresponsibility - ie. not using appopriate birth control. If the father *knowingly* took the risk then YES, YES, YES he should have to pay child support - there has got to be a system in place that prevents men from carelessly contributing to pregnancy without taking any responsibilty. Any guy who falls into this categorie who says "well I wanted the child to be aborted, I *shouldn't* have to take responsibility", is a absolute twit. Man up and take responsibility for your actions. You make up the majority of the "accidental" pregnancy cases and perhaps people who fall into the other categories wouldn't face such injustice if you all used a brain.

If the women *lied* about taking birth control or neglected to mention she had forgotton to take it without following up treatment appropriately ie. the morning after pill, then NO. Why should he have to pay for something his partner was *entirely* at fault for? In saying that, if the father *chooses* to take responsibility in the childs life it's still a big plus +++.

Now my situation is possibly even more rare than the both of these. I was taking the pill, I was taking it responsibly yet due to getting sick - it got cancelled out. Neither of us were aware that we were participating in risk taking behaviour! No-one was at fault in this situation which makes it really, really hard to answer. Should the father have to pay child support even though he took full responsibility as did his partner? I don't know - I'm still unsure. Sure, it was my *choice* to have the child but at the same time, I shouldn't have had to make that choice in the first place. My daughters father does pay child support - initially he wasn't going to but he changed his mind. I don't know what I think in this type of situation - I think it's impossible to answer. Maybe a father in this situation shouldn't have to pay child support but why should a mother have to take *all* the responsibilty for the accident? Having an abortion shouldn't have to be the answer, that's a completely unfair expectation given the circumstances.

To add to this discussion, I don't think it matter who leaves who - my views remain the same. :)

I also added this in Mariposa's thread - looking more towards childs rights:
It's dissapointing that the majority of this thread is mum's rights vs. dads rights. Only a few people have thought to mention the childs rights!!!

The child deserves the rights to both parents, regardless of any conflict between his/her parents. The child is really the only one who can claim "I had no say in the matter", and we should all respect that innocence. The mother and father both had a say: They chose to have sex, risking the worst possible scenario - whether they used protection or not.

Don't make the child pay because you took the risk. Everyone knows that birth contraceptive's don't provide 100% protection.

I know earlier I made a post outling my views from a mum vs. dad perspective also, but after careful consideration I decided to also make one about the child. No. 1. The person who deserves the biggest say in the matter! Now that's innocence for you....
 
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