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Tabacco before the White-Man

stoopid

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Hey... no you can all tell me to fuk off if you wanna... I'm going to ask what i feel is a stoopid qeustion, based on a freind telling me something which i have no beleif of...
Anyways here goes...
A freind recently told me that the Tobacco(nicotine) smoked by the tribes of the Americas is actualy a stronger chemical than Marijuana(THC). And apparently, Tobacco has become weaker and weaker with more chemical used or just gene selection (weeker product, stronger addiction)...
Now this could just be propaganda but i thort i'd ask ppl on this forum as you are always knowledgeable about such things...
oh, BTW, there was nothing on Erowid about this, ?.
Thanks heaps to any replies...
 
i heard theres some way to use tobacco (fresh, not processed cigarettes) in a psycheledic (i cant spell) way... no clue if its true. tobacco is the devil.
 
i've smoked some strong tobacco out of a hookah before and gotten some very good results. I took 8 or nine big rips and then i got a really intense nitrous like high for about 30 seconds, and a long lasting buzz for the rest of the night
at the time i smoked cigarettes too so i has some tolerance to nicotine
 
Tobacco was used in many ceremonial rituals.
However, it was just tobacco. The effects were somewhat stronger. But tobacco is tobacco is tobacco. You can still buy the species of tobacco (different from what's used commercially) that the Native Americans used. All it does is taste extremely nasty. It won't increase your high or bring you closer to nature. It's called Nicotania Rustinica or something along those lines.
 
Originally posted by frizzantik:
i've smoked some strong tobacco out of a hookah before and gotten some very good results. I took 8 or nine big rips and then i got a really intense nitrous like high for about 30 seconds, and a long lasting buzz for the rest of the night
What got you high wasn't the nicotine so much as it was the oxygen. When you are pulling for 30 seconds straight through these things, you will probably get the same rush with low-nicotine tobacco, like the stuff that's dipped in molasses and fruit. No-nicotine tobacco sounds like it wouldn't be any fun, but is tobacco any fun regardless? It's fun to blow out mega-clouds of the yummy-tasting smoke...
 
I saw something about this on a TV program a LONG while ago. Supposedly back in the day (read: hundreds of years ago) some Indian tribes used to use very large pipes (so large that they had to make Tripods to hold them up) to smoke tobacco. They would take a huge hit and hold it in until they passed out and supposedly they would hallucinate/dream.
 
There was a two page letter in a book I read on Psychedelics describing a sort of nicotine chew that was made from nicotina rustica. This substance is called opatsa seri and is very bitter. You take a small amount of it and chew it for a while early in the day. It has a slight stimulant effect, but the main draw of it is the extremely vivid dreams that you get after you finally get to sleep.
Unforunately I haven't been able to find any information on this other than what was in the book. I seriously doubt you'd be able to find this anywhere.
BTW, I definately would NOT attempt to purify nicotine and trip off of it. That's a very easy way to kill yourself. It makes a handy roach poison though.
Hope I answered your question.
 
I've read that Native Americans would make huge cigars out of Tobacco to use during ceremonial rituals...they weren't constant smokers though...so It would knock them for a loop...
It was the White man's idea to cure tobacco and roll it into thin and (addictive) cigarettes, according to the Discovery Channel...
I also remember reading that Tobacco contains traces of Harmine or Harmaline (?)
[ 12 December 2002: Message edited by: BlueDeer ]
 
A freind recently told me that the Tobacco(nicotine) smoked by the tribes of the Americas is actualy a stronger chemical than Marijuana(THC)
Yes it is actually, 50 mgs being the LD 50, I do believe the THC is somewhat less potent pure, although I dont know the doseage.
And apparently, Tobacco has become weaker and weaker with more chemical used or just gene selection (weeker product, stronger addiction)...
There is diffrent types of Tobacco out there, some more potent than others, N. Rustica being the most potent. N. Tobacum is much less potent and is used for smoking because it produces a less harsh smoke. However N. Rustica is offten added to smoking blends labeled "Turkish" (Odd since smoking Tobacco is native to the americas) and Bidies. As for them chemicals, there are many used but I believe the compinies are using them to increse addiction.
i heard theres some way to use tobacco (fresh, not processed cigarettes) in a psycheledic (i cant spell) way...
Yes, Jonathan Ott wrote a book on the subject, although I have yet to read it, it would be a good place to start.
tobacco is the devil.
When the first "Indians" met Columbus they gave him friuts, and tobacco. The crew ate the fruits and threw away the sacred leafs. After first metting the indians Columbus wrote in his log something along the lines of "The Indians as such a nice and gentle people, they will make the prefect slaves for the Spanish Empire". Who is really the Devil here?
Tobacco was used in many ceremonial rituals.
True, its was used, and still is used in just about anything from a pow wow to the most humble and serous of rituals as well as gatherings of councles and just plain get togethers. There are many, Many, diffrent tribal used for tobacco. However it is most commomly used as a sort of spirtual protection and to carry thoughts up to the heavens.
some Indian tribes used to use very large pipes (so large that they had to make Tripods to hold them up) to smoke tobacco.
Yes, there have been some amazing pipes made by the tribes of the amreicas. From men to cretures to simple calmulet pipes. Usualy there would be a bowl, prehaps made of a fugure. Then there would be a long stem so the smoker would sit at a distance and smoke with leasure.
I've read that Native Americans would make huge cigars out of Tobacco to use during ceremonial rituals...they weren't constant smokers though...so It would knock them for a loop...
This happend mostly in South america. Nothern tribes used pipes for the most part. But sothern tribes used cigars as well as oral ingestion, and in rare cases anal ingestion. Which is easyer on you since Tobacco is rather toxic at high doses. Incedently that is why this method is not so commonly used, because it is hard to control the dose and would often become leathal
It was the White man's idea to cure tobacco and roll it into thin and (addictive) cigarettes.
True, eurpoeans have taken any sacred meaning out of the plant which is extremly sad. They have demonized it and turned it into the cancer causing threat to Amreicas youth we know it as today. There are few people left who know what this plant is truely about. And they are most oftten hidden deep within the inner cricles of Native american culture. There knowege is fastly dissapering and if we want to know about the real meanings of this plant we all should do are best to seek out this knowege.
 
Im with love in vein....it is still fuckin tobacco, a mild stimulant. You could take pure nicotine, inject a huge dose of it, and guess what....it will still be a mild stimulant. Just like taking a lot of caffine or a lot of ephedrine is not at all like taking meth or coke
 
What got you high wasn't the nicotine so much as it was the oxygen.
I'm sure oxygen deprivation does a little something.
But seriously, smoking strong Turkish shisha tobacco will give you a noticeable buzz.
It's not a "wow, I'm really high" thing, but you'll be feeling nice.
 
Originally posted by Beeebs:
Im with love in vein....it is still fuckin tobacco, a mild stimulant. You could take pure nicotine, inject a huge dose of it, and guess what....it will still be a mild stimulant. Just like taking a lot of caffine or a lot of ephedrine is not at all like taking meth or coke
This is completly false, misinformation. If you take enough caffiene it is very similar to good meth. I know because Ive done meth before and it wasnt that much better than my caffeine pills.
And depending on what kind of nicotine you have the effects will vary drastically. If you have the kind that the indians had you will be up all night tripping out.
 
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