Heroin Syringes larger than 1cc?

[TooMuchTar]

I'm up to about 1.3 of tar and I can barely fit it into a 1cc rig anymore, and when I finally draw blood it takes about 5 minutes to push it all in along with quadruple checking, and sometimes it takes so long and I have to put so much pressure on the plunger that the needle will slip through the vein and miss, ruining another spot.

I used to use the BD longs with no problem, but now I'm trying to hit the same veins with a 5/16" and a lot of the time it goes through the vein and ruining the spot. Does anyone know why this is? I have literally almost nowhere left to hit and I think if I could get like a 3cc barrel I could dilute it a lot more and it wouldn't have as much of an effect on them.

If anyone knows where I could find syringes online no bigger than a 29G but bigger than a 1cc with either a 5/16" or 3/16" I would be extremely grateful.

Thanks

 

[flyhighk]

Just get a 5cc syringe and use the needles you usually use. Maybe it's time to get clean...

 

[laCster]

Maybe it's time to try something new with your life and get sober.

 

[TooMuchTar]

Just get a 5cc syringe and use the needles you usually use. Maybe it's time to get clean...

I normally use insulin syringes, I've never bought barrels and tips separately so I'm not sure if they would fit, I've even tried asking for help from websites customer support, they just tell me to ask my doctor exactly what I need, literally no help whatsoever.

If you're here, you probably know stopping is easier said than done. I actually plan on going out west to go see some national parks and camp/travel for a month or so immediately after detoxing somewhere. I've been saving for a while and it's just so frustrating knowing these are the last shots I'll have and I cant even enjoy it half the time

 

[Lorne???]

Although getting clean is always ideal, it is not always practical, and certainly not realistic to expect someone to "sober up" because you suggest it. I mean no offense, but if someone is asking a legitimate question, not answering them and simply saying "sober up" is ridiculous.

OP, if your going to inject tar, (especially with any type of tolerance) you are going to have to get 3ml syringes.(or 4-5ml, though 3 is sufficient. They're us simply no question, as insulin syringes simply won't work when your banging a gram of tar at a time. It's not bad news, though; anyone who IV's on a daily basis shouldn't be using insulin syringes anyway, as they are impractical. I mean with powder heroin it is sufficient, because of it's ridiculously high solubility.(I can't remember the exact figure, but I think something like 600mg of diamorph will dissolve in 1ml water?) Which is more than you'd likely ever need. But with pills, 1ml isn't enough unless you have a low tolerance. And clearly with black tar, you'll need more water to do it properly.

But they are easy to order online, I suggest BD 3ml syringes, you can order them with tips included, and I believe they are 27-28g. But unfortunately, you are going have to settle with larger than a 29. I generally use 27, 27-8 is preferable, and 26 is usable. But 29g is harder to come by for some reason, and tar tends to clog it. But yeah, you should still be able to get 100 3ml syringes, and 28g tips for around 20 bucks, and it's worth it.

But please, DO NOT inject tar into the skin. With powder, it's really not a big deal, and in fact, SQ morphine is extremely effective, and is typically the route used in the UK when dia is used for legitimate medical purposes. Certainly more effective than any other MOA, other than IM.(though some will still prefer intranasal, because of faster onset)

But my point(sorry, I'm babbling) is you can't do that with tar, it is full of nasty shit, and you are just asking for an abcess!
So get some new gear, and your life will be easier. (You really should quit though...)

 

[Lorne???]

If I have time, and am so inclined, I"ll look, but it isn't hard to find, I mean haven't ordered in any like 2 years, so I can't remember the site, but it didn't take me long to find them...

 

[TooMuchTar]

Although getting clean is always ideal, it is not always practical, and certainly not realistic to expect someone to "sober up" because you suggest it. I mean no offense, but if someone is asking a legitimate question, not answering them and simply saying "sober up" is ridiculous.

OP, if your going to inject tar, (especially with any type of tolerance) you are going to have to get 3ml syringes.(or 4-5ml, though 3 is sufficient. They're us simply no question, as insulin syringes simply won't work when your banging a gram of tar at a time. It's not bad news, though; anyone who IV's on a daily basis shouldn't be using insulin syringes anyway, as they are impractical. I mean with powder heroin it is sufficient, because of it's ridiculously high solubility.(I can't remember the exact figure, but I think something like 600mg of diamorph will dissolve in 1ml water?) Which is more than you'd likely ever need. But with pills, 1ml isn't enough unless you have a low tolerance. And clearly with black tar, you'll need more water to do it properly.

But they are easy to order online, I suggest BD 3ml syringes, you can order them with tips included, and I believe they are 27-28g. But unfortunately, you are going have to settle with larger than a 29. I generally use 27, 27-8 is preferable, and 26 is usable. But 29g is harder to come by for some reason, and tar tends to clog it. But yeah, you should still be able to get 100 3ml syringes, and 28g tips for around 20 bucks, and it's worth it.

But please, DO NOT inject tar into the skin. With powder, it's really not a big deal, and in fact, SQ morphine is extremely effective, and is typically the route used in the UK when dia is used for legitimate medical purposes. Certainly more effective than any other MOA, other than IM.(though some will still prefer intranasal, because of faster onset)

But my point(sorry, I'm babbling) is you can't do that with tar, it is full of nasty shit, and you are just asking for an abcess!
So get some new gear, and your life will be easier. (You really should quit though...)

I appreciate it. I've found plenty of 3cc 27-29G ones but none less than 1/2", I already go through the other side of the vein a lot with the 5/16" ones so I definitely couldn't use those. I remember finding 5/16" ones once but they were either a 25 or 27G and I had never used one smaller than a 29 so I was hoping to find one a little smaller, but now when I look for them again I can't find the site I found them on

I used to use the BD longs with no problem but theres no way I could use those to hit the veins I'm hitting, although I've thought that maybe if I had a longer needle I could reach some of the older places I used to use, but the 1 time I tried it I just couldn't get it and put it into a 5/16".

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Get help. Shooting that much heroin in one go is ghastly bad for you. You're going to end up going through horrible withdrawal and it'll only get worse the longer you put it off.

 

[TooMuchTar]

Get help. Shooting that much heroin in one go is ghastly bad for you. You're going to end up going through horrible withdrawal and it'll only get worse the longer you put it off.

I know. I haven't been really sick in a long time because I can finally afford my habit, but the times that I do I feel like I'm going to die... more so than when I used to get sick. I've tried going to sub doctors but the max they prescribe is 24mg and it didn't do anything. I had taken subs in the past and they worked but it just wasn't enough, but the doctor said that it's all in my head, that the body doesn't need more than 16, and they only give 24 as a "placebo" effect. I've thought about going to a done clinic but I can't imagine how much I need. They probably wouldn't believe me if I told them how much I've been doing and for how long

I've been to rehab a couple of times, but even when I had been clean for 10 days the cravings seemed to be worse than ever, and my legs were like jello to the point where I could barely stand. I ended up getting stuff dropped off and someone who saw me meet the dude ratted me out so I got kicked out. Right before this my girlfriend of 5 years (I got her into dope a year before) just went through the instant detox program since her grandma paid for it. When I told her I got kicked out, she basically broke up with me over the phone...after telling me for years she wanted to get married and have kids and how she couldn't sleep without me or something that smelled like me. I'm 99% sure she cheated on me while I was in there and couldn't bear to be with me afterwards, I hadn't fucked her in like 3 months, she would beg for it but I was always too fucked up or couldn't get it up. It just broke me and a year later I'm worse than ever.

I'm just so mentally dependent...besides the 16 days total I've spent in rehab I haven't been clean a single day in almost 5 years. Even when I had been in there 10 days the thought of doing it when I got out was the only thing sustaining me, I couldn't not think of it no matter what...

Any suggestions for someone who's addiction is mostly mental? I do get physically sick but even when I'm not sick I still want to use

 

[spacejunk]

Any suggestions for someone who's addiction is mostly mental? I do get physically sick but even when I'm not sick I still want to use

I think most - if not all - dependencies/addictions/habits have a mental component.
If you're using to escape hardship, trauma, boredom, grief, depression, anxiety or whatever (or alternately just started using and fell in love with heroin) - a good counsellor is often a reasonable place to start.
Someone you can talk to that knows their shit, doesn't judge - that can listen and make observations/suggestions
Though it is often not until you are clean that you start dealing with those sorts of pent-up emotions.

If you're using for any other number of not-so-easily classifiable reasons, a decent therapist may be able to help you find reasons to take a different path than the one you are on now.

I'm not saying I have faith in the 'rehab industry'; nor suggesting 100% sobriety.
I don't know if services like this are realistically available to you.

But if you are doing harm to yourself because of escalating tolerance and use of black tar (I live in the wrong country to have encountered the stuff - but it looks and sounds pretty scary to be IVing such quantities on the regular [if at all]) and it really is a bit of a warning sign when you keep escalating to the point you are currently at.

Dumb question; but have you tried plugging it?
Is this as effective with BTH as other water soluble drugs?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I know. I haven't been really sick in a long time because I can finally afford my habit, but the times that I do I feel like I'm going to die... more so than when I used to get sick. I've tried going to sub doctors but the max they prescribe is 24mg and it didn't do anything. I had taken subs in the past and they worked but it just wasn't enough, but the doctor said that it's all in my head, that the body doesn't need more than 16, and they only give 24 as a "placebo" effect. I've thought about going to a done clinic but I can't imagine how much I need. They probably wouldn't believe me if I told them how much I've been doing and for how long

I've been to rehab a couple of times, but even when I had been clean for 10 days the cravings seemed to be worse than ever, and my legs were like jello to the point where I could barely stand. I ended up getting stuff dropped off and someone who saw me meet the dude ratted me out so I got kicked out. Right before this my girlfriend of 5 years (I got her into dope a year before) just went through the instant detox program since her grandma paid for it. When I told her I got kicked out, she basically broke up with me over the phone...after telling me for years she wanted to get married and have kids and how she couldn't sleep without me or something that smelled like me. I'm 99% sure she cheated on me while I was in there and couldn't bear to be with me afterwards, I hadn't fucked her in like 3 months, she would beg for it but I was always too fucked up or couldn't get it up. It just broke me and a year later I'm worse than ever.

I'm just so mentally dependent...besides the 16 days total I've spent in rehab I haven't been clean a single day in almost 5 years. Even when I had been in there 10 days the thought of doing it when I got out was the only thing sustaining me, I couldn't not think of it no matter what...

Any suggestions for someone who's addiction is mostly mental? I do get physically sick but even when I'm not sick I still want to use

Get into a methadone program, and I would advise you see a doctor/therapist on a regular basis.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is a great idea.

 

[TooMuchTar]

Get into a methadone program, and I would advise you see a doctor/therapist on a regular basis.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is a great idea.

I've thought about that but I'd have to take so much and it's just replacing and delaying the problem. Plus I've heard methadone is 100x harder to get off of. One of my friends used to say "you'll rob for your heroin but you'll kill for your methadone. I used to get them from a guy who's been on them since the late 70's and hes still an addict who likes getting high.

 

[TooMuchTar]

I think most - if not all - dependencies/addictions/habits have a mental component.
If you're using to escape hardship, trauma, boredom, grief, depression, anxiety or whatever (or alternately just started using and fell in love with heroin) - a good counsellor is often a reasonable place to start.
Someone you can talk to that knows their shit, doesn't judge - that can listen and make observations/suggestions
Though it is often not until you are clean that you start dealing with those sorts of pent-up emotions.

If you're using for any other number of not-so-easily classifiable reasons, a decent therapist may be able to help you find reasons to take a different path than the one you are on now.

I'm not saying I have faith in the 'rehab industry'; nor suggesting 100% sobriety.
I don't know if services like this are realistically available to you.

But if you are doing harm to yourself because of escalating tolerance and use of black tar (I live in the wrong country to have encountered the stuff - but it looks and sounds pretty scary to be IVing such quantities on the regular [if at all]) and it really is a bit of a warning sign when you keep escalating to the point you are currently at.

Dumb question; but have you tried plugging it?
Is this as effective with BTH as other water soluble drugs?

Yeah that's what I've tried in the past, I've just never been able to get a decent therapist who knows his shit. I have great insurance, my script of 90 subs was always a $10 copay. I just haven't had any luck. Most of the problems you listed sum it up, it just seems like no matter what I do I can't get it out of my head

I've tried plugging it twice but it didn't work either time. Even before I did dope I didn't go to the bathroom very often and now that I get constipated I go max once a week so maybe that's why it didn't work. Also I used a regular syringe just with the needle cut off so it was on 1cc and it was just like my regular shots, super thick and probably not very soluble. I've thought maybe if I got like a 10ml oral syringe so I can dilute it that it might work, but until someone tells me that might fix the problem I don't want to waste another shot