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Syrian civil war thread

Just bodies. There has not been any evidence to show what killed them. Also why would he use chemical agents in a conflict he is already winning?

Additionally why are they moving the bodies unprotected and not dropping dead themselves? Unless you know nothing about Sarin, you would be aware that you shouldn't touch the bodies as the agent sticks to the skin and is still lethal by touch...


Also some of you are rather loose with your definitions. Genocide is not exactly the word to use.
 
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The Syrian army are winning the war anyway, so I have no idea why they would use chemical weapons.

False flag operation ? It sure seems more likely to me.
 
Assad's Syrian Army is hardly winning. They are not losing but if you actually read the news, fighting is raging over the country and now Hezbollah is joining in on the fun since Assad cannot pull a victory. I love it how people will be so intellectually dishonest with themselves about Syria. Why would Assad use WMD's while the UN was there to inspect for WMD use? This is right out of Saddam's playbook. The possibility exists that 'rebels' used the gas, or there was unauthorized use by an army person...on the other hand a man that can kill $100k of his 'own' people in some of the most attrocious acts of war in many decades. If you can send war planes to flatten a village with women and children in it...how in the heck can you not be inclined to gas a neighborhood with the enemy. His planes can kill hundreds in a day, in H. Clinton's words...what difference does it make anyway?

The idea that the US would 'false flag' a gas attack is preposterous. The USA could have done this two years ago far easier than waiting for 100k to die, and 'AQ" to move in.

What possible interest does the US have in Syria anyway? There is no oil, the country will be in debt for years as it rebuilds, there is simply nothing to be gained from this that I can see but I'd love to hear more expert's opinions. ;)
 
Joeof1 said:
Just bodies.
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Just bodies yeah? Really? When you see multitudes of innocent people killed, families ripped apart, children, babies, being slaughtered before your eyes at the hands of a ruthless criminal regime, you might see it differently.

False flag? Why don't you knuckleheads go look firsthand at what is happening. Nuts.

How far will this go until anyone steps in. When will the US quit erasing, and redrawing the "red line" that's been crossed multiple times.

I think Assad has seen Obama isn't willing to do a damn thing. He's going to rifle his power without being afraid of anyone at this point. It wouldn't be so hard for the allied military to rain down airstrikes on some of their most crucial airbases and operation points. We could save innocent lives, and eliminate these terrorists, without necessary putting troops on the ground. Israel airforce had the balls the launch an airstrike in Syria that prevented missiles from getting into the hand of these terrorists. Obama has no foreign policy in the middle east.

Call in the drones.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons#Syria

Here's the source link from globalsecurity.org:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/cw.htm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/08/22/syria-chemical-attack-accusations-violence.html

The Syrian military do not strike me as particularly bright:

In July 2007, a Syrian arms depot exploded, killing at least 15 Syrians. Jane's Defence Weekly, a U.S. magazine reporting on military and corporate affairs, believed that the explosion happened when Iranian and Syrian military personnel attempted to fit a Scud missile with a mustard gas warhead. Syria stated that the blast was accidental and not chemical related.[35]
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Hell, Syria signed the Geneva Protocol in 17 December 1968 with the reservation that they did not recognize Israel. Effectively Assad and Syria are committing war crimes against its own people.
 
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It's times like these we see people for who they really are; those who are able to make reasoned judgements of a situation, and those who just dance to the tune of their own emotions.. or those sponsored by the corporate media/pentagon. I can easily see America/UK/France and other bumchums getting involved in another war when the level of discourse on the topic is so shamefully low. But shit will get real fucked if that happens and I expect there to be million man protests in the USA and UK, because there's a lot to lose by getting involved. A lot.

@23536: There's the possibility it's fabricated. Even the BBC admitted that point. Conflict is as much about propaganda as it is actual fighting. Personally I would lean towards it being a real chemical attack. Not necessarily a nerve agent, could be something 'less' than that.

Those who say it couldn't be a false flag, pull your head out of your ass for god's sake. Of course it could be one! If Assad uses chem agents it's a clear invitation for the international community to end him.. the 'rebel's (terrorists) would obviously try to frame him if they could. Why wouldn't they? They don't care about a destabilized syria.. because they're fucking Western, Saudi, and god knows who else, backed Jihadi fucknuts.

The attack happened at night, when UN inspectors are in the country. WHY would Assad or the military conduct a limited chem attack killing 150 people? It makes no fucking sense. It is just far too convenient and is evidently the doings of the rebel terrorist scumbags. If he was going to do it, he would fucking do it. One incident, at night when no one can see who's firing, hmmmm yeh that's not suspicious at all. Get fucking real please. The tone coming from William Hague and the French Foreign minister just screams "we want a fucking war, our weapons manufacturers need business!". It's blindingly obvious.

You say you don't understand why or who exactly would sponsor a false flag, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. By your own admission you don't understand the dynamics of this conflict.. so you just suck up the belief sponsored by the media/pentagon/weapons manufacturers/god knows who else, because you can't be bothered to think on the available evidence? Do you remember Iraq/WMD's? Libya? Have you learned nothing in the past 10 years? How stupid are you?!?!

Would someone lie to you to start a war? If you need to think about that then there really is no hope for you.
 
^^ By using your argument:

"We can only say that extremist forces carried it out, linked to foreign forces, since no Syrian can do this against another Syrian," he said. "At the head of these forces are those who have promoted vengeance and hatred and spoke of ousting the regime by force over the past two years."
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There's just as much propaganda and horseshit coming from Qadri Jamil as there is from anyone else.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Could be that one faction of the rebels decided to kill two birds with one stone by gassing another faction and blaming it on the Syrian government.
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This^

How much gas you think Russia has sold off over the years? Gas would be like the holy grail for any rebel faction. Hell if you could even just poison a well and lead everyone to believe it was gas it would be all the same..
 
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It's times like these we see people for who they really are; those who are able to make reasoned judgements of a situation, and those who just dance to the tune of their own emotions.. or those sponsored by the corporate media/pentagon.
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Yeah! Nobody else knows what they're talking about, but I sure do!

I'm different!
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Could be that one faction of the rebels decided to kill two birds with one stone by gassing another faction and blaming it on the Syrian government.
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yup.

bit sus when the international community say "yeah it's shit over there but we won't do anything against *this specific target* unless *this specific thing* happens" and then that specific things seems to have taken place.


it's dumb to broadcast explicit red lines like this, as it means anyone with any motive and means can execute an intervention trigger.
 
It's all just part of the plan to destroy our relevance on the international stage, we flip flop the side we support so often it isn't even funny.
 
^^ Yeah, that's right. All this is being played out just to affect the USA in some manner.


Have those of you shouting for foreign intervention against the Syrian government thought about who will be in power if Assad is toppled?
 
MrGrunge said:
Yeah! Nobody else knows what they're talking about, but I sure do!

I'm different!
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Oh shut up man.. saying Assad did this when you have no clue whether he did or not, which would invite international intervention, is a really stupid position to hold. Personally I'd like to avoid another war in the middle east. I don't even drive a car, but if I did I would be praying for no more conflict.. because oil prices will skyrocket if there is.

I'd be open to what someone else said, that one faction of rebels killed others with the gas. I'm open to all the ideas. But I'm pretty closed to the idea Assad did this because going on available evidence it makes no sense!

I didn't say I understand the whole situation. I'm not a military analyst, intelligence officer, or otherwise. However you can apply some common sense to the situation based upon evidence, historical evidence, and understanding of how say the US/UK/Western allies go about their business. Someone was willing to murder UN weapons inspector Dr David Kelly because of what he knew about Iraq.. and the details about his death are classified for 70 years. This demonstrates quite clearly someone somewhere wants war to happen.

Just heard William 'Pedo Enabler' Hague say on the BBC that "some people might say this is some sort of conspiracy involving the rebels..". There's that buzzword. Must be that time again now. Great. Looking forward to yet another stupid war in the Middle East.

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"I know that some people in the world would like to say that this is some kind of conspiracy brought about by the opposition in Syria," said Mr Hague.

"I think the chances of that are vanishingly small and so we do believe that this is a chemical attack by the Assad regime."

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"We".. who is "we". The same analysts and intelligence officers who brought us the evidence about the Iraqi WMD's? It is really painful to see history repeating itself within 10 years of itself.
 
rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/

"Materials implicating the forces of Syrian president Bashar Assad in chemical weapons use near Damascus were prepared prior to the alleged incident on August 21, the Russian foreign ministry said.

Moscow continues to monitor closely the event surrounding the “alleged” chemical attack near Damascus, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich, said in a statement.

“We’re getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature,” he stressed. “In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action.”
 
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